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Post by Beej76 on Mar 17, 2006 11:25:23 GMT -6
It's been several months since I've taken leave from the board. I still one day might be back, but have enjoyed the rest. This site is fascinating, informative, and very trying - and I've enjoyed some time off.
My views haven't changed much, mostly because in society, well in Minnesota at least, the DP isn't much of a hot button issue. Couldn't tell you how many executions have taken place or stays have been granted for 2006...it just isn't much of an issue. I'm not saying at all that what you folks are debating isn't important - I'm saying that in taking a break from the site, it's pretty easy to take a break from the whole issue, living as an apathetic American not affected by the cause.
I've become more moderate again after finding that folks on this board pushed me a lot farther left than I had ever been. Hoping McCain runs in 2008.
All else is well though - my girls are good, my family is good. I miss many of you and who knows, may rejoin one day. I lurk every few weeks to see the conversations - JoeD still gets my blood pumping sometimes and makes me want to jump back on, but I've refrained for now.
Hope everyone has a great St. Patrick's day - you folks have my respect - especially those touched by the issue.
Take care,
Brennan "Beej76"
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Post by aka on Mar 17, 2006 11:28:19 GMT -6
Come back Beej. We miss you too. The anti side just hasn't been the same since you left.
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Post by supermax on Mar 17, 2006 11:29:23 GMT -6
It's been several months since I've taken leave from the board. I still one day might be back, but have enjoyed the rest. This site is fascinating, informative, and very trying - and I've enjoyed some time off. My views haven't changed much, mostly because in society, well in Minnesota at least, the DP isn't much of a hot button issue. Couldn't tell you how many executions have taken place or stays have been granted for 2006...it just isn't much of an issue. I'm not saying at all that what you folks are debating isn't important - I'm saying that in taking a break from the site, it's pretty easy to take a break from the whole issue, living as an apathetic American not affected by the cause. I've become more moderate again after finding that folks on this board pushed me a lot farther left than I had ever been. Hoping McCain runs in 2008. All else is well though - my girls are good, my family is good. I miss many of you and who knows, may rejoin one day. I lurk every few weeks to see the conversations - JoeD still gets my blood pumping sometimes and makes me want to jump back on, but I've refrained for now. Hope everyone has a great St. Patrick's day - you folks have my respect - especially those touched by the issue. Take care, Brennan "Beej76" Glad to hear from you Brennan. Take care of yourself and your family. Love maxine |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2006 11:32:51 GMT -6
Sorry Beej, but your comments about the dp and MN make my blood boil. My son was murdered in MN 1998 and I lived in that state for over 25 years until last August 2005. If the dp isn't an issue to you than murder hasn't affected your life. Let me inform you that March 23, 2015 Gregg's murderer will be set free in MN and he will only be 40 years old. He is a serial killer, according to the investigation that we have done and he will be back. Hope MN doesn't sound all that mundane to you, NOW!!
I am for the dp and probably a lot further left than you are. How is this? JESSE VENTURA FOR PRESIDENT 2008 Think I can go anymore to the left than that???
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 17, 2006 11:45:10 GMT -6
OMG! A blast from the past!  Actually, you've influenced my thinking greatly, Brennan. Your absence from this board isn't helping the Great Cause of Abolition. I have missed you a great deal. Please come back to the fold. |
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Post by happygrandmab on Mar 17, 2006 11:54:29 GMT -6
it's good hearing from you, beej...i am glad you are enjoying your break. come back soon!! you are missed!!!
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Post by DeadElvis on Mar 17, 2006 12:00:33 GMT -6
Good to hear, Beej. Man, you are sorely missed here.
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Post by Donnie on Mar 17, 2006 16:24:16 GMT -6
I've become more moderate again after finding that folks on this board pushed me a lot farther left than I had ever been. Hoping McCain runs in 2008. You're not very far left if you are for McCain. Especially in Minnesota. |
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Post by Rev. Agave on Mar 18, 2006 12:33:03 GMT -6
It's been several months since I've taken leave from the board. I still one day might be back, but have enjoyed the rest. This site is fascinating, informative, and very trying - and I've enjoyed some time off. My views haven't changed much, mostly because in society, well in Minnesota at least, the DP isn't much of a hot button issue. Couldn't tell you how many executions have taken place or stays have been granted for 2006...it just isn't much of an issue. I'm not saying at all that what you folks are debating isn't important - I'm saying that in taking a break from the site, it's pretty easy to take a break from the whole issue, living as an apathetic American not affected by the cause. I've become more moderate again after finding that folks on this board pushed me a lot farther left than I had ever been. Hoping McCain runs in 2008. All else is well though - my girls are good, my family is good. I miss many of you and who knows, may rejoin one day. I lurk every few weeks to see the conversations - JoeD still gets my blood pumping sometimes and makes me want to jump back on, but I've refrained for now. Hope everyone has a great St. Patrick's day - you folks have my respect - especially those touched by the issue. Take care, Brennan "Beej76" Glad all is well! Good to hear from you! |
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Post by Beej76 on Mar 20, 2006 8:38:33 GMT -6
Sorry Beej, but your comments about the dp and MN make my blood boil. My son was murdered in MN 1998 and I lived in that state for over 25 years until last August 2005. If the dp isn't an issue to you than murder hasn't affected your life. Let me inform you that March 23, 2015 Gregg's murderer will be set free in MN and he will only be 40 years old. He is a serial killer, according to the investigation that we have done and he will be back. Hope MN doesn't sound all that mundane to you, NOW!! I am for the dp and probably a lot further left than you are. How is this? JESSE VENTURA FOR PRESIDENT 2008 Think I can go anymore to the left than that??? Didn't mean to offend you - I suppose I could have lied if you wanted me to, and stated that the DP was actively talked about in the state. It did come up a few years ago, and didn't get very far - my guess is that it will be a long time before it's talked about again. You are correct though, my life hasn't been closely touched by an incident like you've gone through - I found out more info on your son's case - very horrific and for what it's worth, I'm sorry. Now, that case would have never in a million years been a DP case, at least under current laws in any state in the nation. Ventura was a train wreck of a governor - good to see him gone! My guess is he'll never resurface in politics again. |
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Post by Beej76 on Mar 20, 2006 8:46:14 GMT -6
OMG! A blast from the past! Actually, you've influenced my thinking greatly, Brennan. Your absence from this board isn't helping the Great Cause of Abolition. I have missed you a great deal. Please come back to the fold. Maybe soon - there's a few of you I miss debating with. Good to hear I influenced your thinking - you molded mine as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 8:58:50 GMT -6
Sorry Beej, but your comments about the dp and MN make my blood boil. My son was murdered in MN 1998 and I lived in that state for over 25 years until last August 2005. If the dp isn't an issue to you than murder hasn't affected your life. Let me inform you that March 23, 2015 Gregg's murderer will be set free in MN and he will only be 40 years old. He is a serial killer, according to the investigation that we have done and he will be back. Hope MN doesn't sound all that mundane to you, NOW!! I am for the dp and probably a lot further left than you are. How is this? JESSE VENTURA FOR PRESIDENT 2008 Think I can go anymore to the left than that??? Didn't mean to offend you - I suppose I could have lied if you wanted me to, and stated that the DP was actively talked about in the state. It did come up a few years ago, and didn't get very far - my guess is that it will be a long time before it's talked about again. You are correct though, my life hasn't been closely touched by an incident like you've gone through - I found out more info on your son's case - very horrific and for what it's worth, I'm sorry. Now, that case would have never in a million years been a DP case, at least under current laws in any state in the nation. Ventura was a train wreck of a governor - good to see him gone! My guess is he'll never resurface in politics again. Hi there beej Just a short note on the case in question. I agree with you that as it was presented that case would never have been a death penalty case , but there lays the problem , the manner in which it was presented and the sequence of events which lead to the final outcome, appear to have hiidered true justice..From my understanding of the case there is a lot of unexplained issues which for some reason , only known to those involved , which were never bought up or information withheld. From what I have read about it ,if it had been handled in a just manner with out bias by certain authorities then I would have no doubt that it would have been a strong candidate for the death penalty, |
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Post by Beej on Mar 20, 2006 9:39:16 GMT -6
Didn't mean to offend you - I suppose I could have lied if you wanted me to, and stated that the DP was actively talked about in the state. It did come up a few years ago, and didn't get very far - my guess is that it will be a long time before it's talked about again. You are correct though, my life hasn't been closely touched by an incident like you've gone through - I found out more info on your son's case - very horrific and for what it's worth, I'm sorry. Now, that case would have never in a million years been a DP case, at least under current laws in any state in the nation. Ventura was a train wreck of a governor - good to see him gone! My guess is he'll never resurface in politics again. Hi there beej Just a short note on the case in question. I agree with you that as it was presented that case would never have been a death penalty case , but there lays the problem , the manner in which it was presented and the sequence of events which lead to the final outcome, appear to have hiidered true justice..From my understanding of the case there is a lot of unexplained issues which for some reason , only known to those involved , which were never bought up or information withheld. From what I have read about it ,if it had been handled in a just manner with out bias by certain authorities then I would have no doubt that it would have been a strong candidate for the death penalty, The case, from the little I've read about it, appears that it was handled quite terribly. Now, would the case have been handled differently if a DP law was on the books? Tough to say. The governor here introduced a bill to bring back the DP a few years ago - it didn't get far. It would have been a very limited bill though - not all first degree murders would be eligable - a very limited number would have been - I guess the governor thinks killing a person is bad, but killing and raping a person is simply unforgivable. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 5:03:59 GMT -6
Does Amreica have an independant body who investigate police?
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Post by RickZ on Mar 28, 2006 5:50:30 GMT -6
Does Amreica have an independant body who investigate police? Considering that we do not have one police, but layers of police with differing responsibilities and jurisdictions, no, although most local/state police have some type of Civilian Complaint Review Board (which is the name used in NYC) to investigate citizens' claims of police abuse. If the local complaints are sufficiently egregious or form a pattern of corruption, the Feds may step in to investigate and monitor a police department/organization, or there may be public commissions/investigative bodies set up by elected officals, too, like with the Knapp Commission back in the early 1970's here in NYC. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2006 7:34:10 GMT -6
Does Amreica have an independant body who investigate police? Considering that we do not have one police, but layers of police with differing responsibilities and jurisdictions, no, although most local/state police have some type of Civilian Complaint Review Board (which is the name used in NYC) to investigate citizens' claims of police abuse. If the local complaints are sufficiently egregious or form a pattern of corruption, the Feds may step in to investigate and monitor a police department/organization, or there may be public commissions/investigative bodies set up by elected officals, too, like with the Knapp Commission back in the early 1970's here in NYC. Thanks for that explanation Rick. have you heard of many cases going befor the review boards and are you aware of any of the outcomes?? Have you come across any cases of missconduct by prosecution attournies? |
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Post by Donnie on Apr 1, 2006 10:43:29 GMT -6
Have you come across any cases of missconduct by prosecution attournies? There is misconduct in almost all murder cases in DP jurisdictions because the prosecutors fail to get the murderers executed. |
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Post by Donnie on Apr 1, 2006 10:45:41 GMT -6
Does Amreica have an independant body who investigate police? Yes, many. |
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Post by bigmama on Apr 2, 2006 3:13:43 GMT -6
Hi Beej, it's nice of you to pop in. I can't remember really ever getting into any discussions with you but I did enjoying following your debates. You are missed and I too hope that you come back one day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2006 9:47:02 GMT -6
Have you come across any cases of missconduct by prosecution attournies? There is misconduct in almost all murder cases in DP jurisdictions because the prosecutors fail to get the murderers executed. donnie why cant you give sensible answers . I know you are very emotional about this topic but no need to answer with crazy statements I was asking a general question to find out more about your justice system and so far rick has been kind enough to explain in a reasonable and informative manner, |
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Post by Donnie on Apr 2, 2006 18:50:01 GMT -6
donnie why cant you give sensible answers . I know you are very emotional about this topic but no need to answer with crazy statements I was asking a general question to find out more about your justice system and so far rick has been kind enough to explain in a reasonable and informative manner, Now keep that straight in the future. Rick is the sane one, I am the crazy one. But both of us think that it is sane to exeucte murderers. Even though I may be crazy, I know that it isn't wrong to provide you with accurate information. Oh, yes, I forgot to thank you for the compliment. |
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