Why I left this board for awhile.

[Snowy]

I thought it might be best if I explained why I left this board for awhile. I am posting this here because as a guest I can't post anywhere else expect the parole protest section. I hope Char will leave it here so I can respond to any comments.
First I want it to be known that I didn't leave this board because of any person or what anything any person said to me not even Felix. (Sorry Felix I hate to disappoint your ego but what you say to me doesn't bother me one single bit.) I left here for awhile because of my health and the stress I was under. As much as I supported the dp before I came here, I never realized what some of the family members went through losing their loved one to a murder. I may have thought I understood a little, but hearing people's pain as increased my understanding a lot, but I realize even now I probably don't even grasp it completely. I have known people who have lost a loved on to drinking and driving, terminal illness ,and an unexpected death but never to murder.
Reading these painful stories was one added stress. People probably wondered why I was able to write so often well because I was home a lot cleaning inbetween and homeschooling my daughter parttime.
Others may have wondered why I always didn't get back to them right away was it becasue I ran out of agruments, no, sometimes because I posted in several sections sometimes forgot where I left off in one argument. Being under the stress I was under sometimes I wouldn't let myself come.
Being here was my only real outlet of having others to talk to. It's not that I don't have friends outside of here but in this day and age it is hard to get together because we are all so busy. Sometimes I didn't/don't have any energy at the end of the week to even go anywhere. Also taking care of my youngest daughter is very stressful because I have devoted my life to make sure she can have the best life possible. She is not so mentally disabled that she can't have somewhat of a normal life. I know if I hadn't seen to it that she would not be able to read and do math as well as she can. I know she has capabilities and I as her mother am going to make sure she is given every opportunity and reach her potential. Let me share something with you. The kids at her school was given a citizens ship test. Her teachers were quite surprised how she was able to name 12 of the 13 original colonies. Why? Well she is a special ed student. Many normal kids weren't even able to do that. She also mastered of half of the 20 questions.

Now many may have wondered why I didn't leave a long post before I left. Well let's face it even though I know some of you I have never met a single person on this board that I'm so sure I want to share personal things in my life. My motto in life is if you don't want people to know your business and you don't want gossip going around don't tell anyone your business.

Right now a have a personal health issue that I have only told three people to because they alone have wondered what was going on and really wanted to talk to me. I won't know the results of a certain test until tomorrow when I get back from the doctor. So why am I telling you this now. Well this is the reason. If the tests are positive I won't be back for a long time not even the end of the summer. But my doctor doesn't seem worried and is pretty sure everything be fine because I tend to be a healthy person who rarely gets sick. Now if the tests are negative I may come back next week becasue I miss reading some of the debates that go on Off Topics section and don't have access to that section of the board unless I'm a member. I originally didn't intend to come back until the end of the summer because young daughter won't be in high school until then. Being she will be in the special ed section at school I was guarunteed she wouldn't have homework (or at least not a lot) so things won't be so stressful at night. I also intended to get back into doing some of the things I did before but had to quit because of my daughter. I knew when she went to high school I would have the time.
Well because of my recent health scare I intend right now to get back into the things I enjoy and not wait until the end of the summer. My doctor has given me something to help me not feel so tired and stressed out so I will be able to get back to working out and going out a visiting with friends etc. So even though I may be back sooner than expected, I may at first just lurk once in awhile when I have the time and interest to do so.
Yes I know I will have to start all over. I at one time had more posts than anyone else until "speed Joe" surpassed me. Well let me tell you something Joe knew I wanted him to do so. I never posted here with the intent of trying to be someone important. I posted because of something I believed in. And I still support the dp and have a stronger stance for it than when I first came here. Reading the painful stories only made me realize how much it was really needed.
I want you to now up front that will probably change my name to "stormyweather" but will let everyone know who I am. I am not the type of person to pretend and come under a different name. So why do I pick names like Snowstorm or Stormyweather well because I'm very strong like a strong weather pattern on what I believe in. The only way you can change my mind is if you prove to me I'm wrong. (And so far no one has done that concerning the dp not even with the things Christ taught. ) I'll tell everyone up front I still support the dp, I still believe in God, I still think the Jesus was indeed the Messiah, I still don't support the legalizing of drugs for social use. I still believe that sex should be between a husband and wife only but don't run around condemning people if they do so otherwise (unless it's violence etc) . Why do I support these type of issues? Well I like anyone else have had to suffer the consequence for choices I have made. No I've never murdered anyone but I have done other things in life even though they may have not been illegal. I have come to realize through experience and observing the world and other people that there are some things that are simply wrong. And you won't get me to back down. I fear God far more than what anyone at this board could say to me and in my personal belief Jesus Christ alone judges me and that's the only thing that concerns me. Now I know that two certain members and I will name them Eurostar and Felix base my whole Christianity on the fact that I support the dp while they at this board also claim to believe in God and Christ but at the same time talk very vulgar. How they talk is their business but I'm actually get amused (from especially Felix) who has the nerve to tell me that I'm not a Christian because I believe in the dp. Yet those two don't support it but yet they say and do other things which also I could show them go against Christ. (I will say on Euro's behalf he doesn truly support punishment and I do respect that.) Well my opinion is if you really claim to believe in Christ well then you better start living it because saying your against the dp alone is not enough. To say your a Christian and we shouldn't put someone to death simply becasue they're living and breathing but have done the worst thing to another human a persn can do is not a whole basis for Christianity. The is far more to Christianity then saying you value everyone's life. If what you say is true then you had better seriouly think seriously what they did. If you are really concerned with "life" then you would put more effort into preventing murders and not just try to save a murdererls sorry butt after the fact. Felix claims to understand the love of Christ and yet has the nerve to make jokes about serial killer etc.
Now having said all this I don't sit here and judge what God does to everyone after they die. As much as I supprt the dp I have neve said "one time" that a murderer is burning in hell some of them aren't even sorry when they are about to be executed. I believe that alone is God's calling. God alone has the right to forgive a murderer because only God can bring the victim back from the dead or whatever it is you believe in.
I want know that I don't sit here and judge in my mind how God will judge those who aren't Christian and maybe don't believe in Christ but hold other religious views, I don't judge those who don't support the dp. I don't judge the afterlife of those who claim to be Christian but have no problem talking in a vulgar way. I don't judge the after life of those who claim to be atheists. One example is Joseph Phillips. I know Joe claims to be an atheist and there have been times when when even we have butted heads on certain issues. But laying that aside I think Joe also knows that I think the world of him and hold enough respect that I wouldn't even think of saying such a thing. (Sorry Joe but I'm still praying for you probably won't stop. )
Well how you view me when I write well that's up to you. You might as well know right now that writing to express myself is not my strentgh or extended talent. Verbal communication is. And I wouldn't probably have as many enemies if I was able talk to people using voice tone , eye contact, body language etc, things that people use when they communicate. I have one liberal friend (a minister) who won't debate me on certain issues. It's not that he doesn't believe in what he believes in but he always said I had a way of putting things that made him think and he often doesn't know what to say in response. Now if we had been writing back and forth at a website like this without meeting, who knows (much to the delight of people like Euro and Felix) I may have been on his don't like list.
I did a first rejoined to lurk and read some of the debates but I decided to quit. Now if all goes well I may be back next week a third time if and when Char approves my membership. I hope she does because I hold great respect for what she is dong here. Well I have to go and want you to know that I do miss some of you. Have to for now. Snowy, snowsorm, Stormy weather.

[DeadElvis]

Hope everying goes well for you, Snowy. I would like to see you back posting here. Good luck and stay strong.

K

[rain]

Snowy - I hope everything turns out all right for you at the doctor and you are healthy again real soon!! I miss reading your posts and look forward to your return.........

[jennaleigh]

Hi Snowy - I am still fairly new here, but have read and take interest in your posts. You seem to be a genuinely great person and I hope everything turns out well for you.

[josephdphillips]

Snowy said:

I thought it might be best if I explained why I left this board for awhile.

Good luck to you, Snowy. PM me when you find out what's going on with your health. I look forward to your return.

Keep praying for me, too.

[myamber20]

I hope everything goes well for you.

[kneedown]

I sincerely hope that everything turns out well Snowy, and although not a big religious person, i will pray for you and your family. I give you my word on that.
My very best wishes for you.
Tim.

[sweethonesty]

Snowy,

Ive come to respect you in so many ways. Ive always valued your posts as well as your humor and opinions. I will pray for you! And I know how dear your family is to you, i know you have a great support system that surrounds you at home as well as within your church family.

I look forward to your return.

[bigmama]

Snowy, thanks so much for shedding some light on why you left and what's going on with you. Simply, you've been missed lady. May your health scare turn out to be just that, a scare. God bless you Snowy.

[Felix2]

Well snowy, I too hope you get better physically. As for the rest of your post, a few corrections. I do not claim to know Christ, but am familiar enough with some of what he preached to know when someone who claims to be a follower is spouting a stance or lifestyle at odds with what he taught. You may run to your bible all you want for cover and misuse it until the cows come home, but if you ever think you can convince me that an all loving God would support the unneccessary killing of any human being you can take both your bible and your God and place them where the sun dont shine because both are worthless and meaningless. You see snowy, Christianity was never meant to fit in with the desires, whims and excesses of society, nor did it ever advocate the total abdication of personal moral responsibility inn leaving decisions about killing anyone to human institutions corrupt and unfair as they are. Thyese same corrupt and unfair institutions executed your Jesus, and your bling faith in them to administer justice defies rationality. If you believe they are any different today than they were 2000 years ago than you are naieve in the extreme.
Yes I am vulger, yes I am rude, yes I upset some and even at times take a certain pleasure in doing so, particularly with the self rightoues and pompous types, full of their own self inportance and indignation, born of a belief that they somehow are better than others and that there are those in a sociaty beneath human compassion and consideration. I dont nor never will belong to such a group. Yes, I am full of things you may find deplorable, but equally your brand of sterile christianity, heavily bible based, that worries about swearing and crude jokes, but can support the killing of any person, evil ot not, in circumstances other than direct self defense, - that to me is a line I will never cross. If there is a God I will take my chances on a ballocking for my swearing and crudity, it will be a helluva lot better than trying to explain the unnecessary killing of any human being who is incarcerated in a way that he cannot do further harm. There never has been and can never be, a loving God who advocates and approves what you do in terms of advocacy of the DP. It is a contradiction and I will never collude with the double though and Orwellian practices you attempt be trying to mate the two.

[Lady]

Snowy I hope all goes well with your test and everything turns out fine. I know what it is like to be under stress and feel the need to leave the board because I left as well . I figured if I totally left the board then I wouldn't be tempted to post but I found myself missing everyone and evenually found my way back . I hope you come back too Snowy .......


Lady without the Cookie .....LOL

[Snowy]

I intend to get back to everyone here but right now I want to address Felix. You want to know what really bothers you Felix is the fact that you really don't know what Christ taught and it bothers you that I do.. You claim you are familar with some of the things that Christ taught when in fact you know very little. And you are upset that I have pointed out many things to you and can't respond so you try to spout nonsense thinking that is somehow going to make me cower, run and change my mind. Well you haven't said one that has made do that yet. If you are familar enough then you might explain to me why there is a hell if God is as loving as you say? Then you could also explain to me why a "loving" God even allows a murder to happen if certain deaths are unnecesary.as you claim? Tell me Felix why does God/Christ as you claim allow someone to be murdered who "couldn't defend themselves? Why would God allow a two year old to die at the hands of an evil person? You would think it would be okay for the murderer to die if the two year old could have defended themselves to stop the murder. Now tell me Felix how likely is that to happen?
When have I ever said that knowing the Bible defines Christianity? I have known many people to misuse the Bible for their own gain which never impresses me. Like I said Christianity is a way of life. It's not just about being against issue like the dp or even an issue like abortion. As much as I really don't approve of abortion I'm certain not for people like Paul Hill to take it upon themselves to blow up abortion clincs because I know that's wrong. We are expected to do things the legal way. If the legal way isn't always an option like when it comes to people like Hitler or Saddam well then I guess we go to war and remove evil. You have yet to prove Christ was against the dp. You have yet to prove that prison is totally secure. We both know that murderers have gone on to murder in prison. Some have even ordered murders of other people willing to help the murder cause. I think it is impossible to say that prison is totally able to secure someone when the prison population is large and inmates out number the wardens. And we have come to learn that not everyone who works in a prison is honest. Some have smuggled drugs to others some have even help violent escape.
What really bothers you Felix is that you do believe in Christ but you want to make him into what you want to be instead of humbling yourself and take on the attitude and behavior you know you should have. So you think Christ was against the dp according to your own reasoning well my answer to you is, so what? You have admitted to me that you could care less on what God thinks of you otherwise so what makes you think Christ cares whether or not you support the dp or think it should happen.? Do you think that being against the dp somehow will fix the wrong behavior that you seem to suffer from otherwise? I don't think so. So you believe in God, so what, even the demons believe in one God and tremble. James 2:19 So you think you know what Christ taught to some extent well so do many false ministers of Christ. 2 Cor. 11:13 So instead of just thinking you know what Christ meant when he walked the Earth and taught you for your own well being had better get in gear and really provethese things to yourself. So you say Christ was against the dp well prove it Felix. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting. The cows have now come home and have been milked. You know you can't do it and that is what really bothers you. So you're against the dp, do you think that's what is going to save you so you can live like you want to otherwise. Well show me where Christ taught that? If you believe in Christ in anyway shape or form and I know you do then you had better clean up your act.. Being against the dp is not what is going to save you. And I don't care if the Pope himself comes and reads your last rights. Behaving the way you do I can't respect on what you think Christ taught regarding the dp or anything and that is because I have no respect for you. So if you want me to take you seriously then you had better prove it and prove it well and better do it in a way that I can respect otherwise your just beating a dead horse because I can't take you seriously. So why don't you go and think seriously about what I have said. So you have said you enjoy being vulgar well does Christ enjoy it? You talk about self righteousness and pompous types well if anyone suffers from this I think if you do. Anyone who claims to now what Christ taught and don't care what Christ thinks of their behavior otherwise probably suffers from that themselves. So I believe your real problem isn't me but the fact that you have a problem and don't want to deal with it. And it bothers you when I point to what the Bible really says and why shouldn't it. It says in Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates enen to dividing the soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the hear. 2 Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebukng, correcting and training in righteousness.
The fact that I have corrected you so many times with the Bible is what really bothers you and you can't do it in response. I am saying these things to your because like I said you claim to believe. This is not for those who don't. So I think you had better rethink your behavior and I'm not talking about the dp.
God bless and good luck. In all sincereity Snowy

[Snowy]

I want to thank everyone for their kind words. I didn't realize what I said was apprecriated by so many. I will let everyone know tomorrow how everything turns out.
God Bless you all and that includes you Joe.

[happygrandmab]

snowy, you are a cherished friend. i just know that you will hear news that will alleviate your anxiety tomorrow. try to have a peaceful night. you are in my prayers and in my heart...with love, ilene

[Snowy]

I want to tell people I'm sorry for the grammitical errors and misspellings in my posts. Right now I'm only a guest and can't go back to correct my mistakes. Now things like misspelling and punctional errors are what I consider mistakes. Not murder. So bear with me until I return.

[Snowy]

Snowy said:

I want to tell people I'm sorry for the grammitical errors and misspellings in my posts. Right now I'm only a guest and can't go back to correct my mistakes. Now things like misspelling and punctional errors are what I consider mistakes. Not murder. So bear with me until I return.

I also want to add that misspelled words and punctuation are mistakes that can be corrected. Murder, however, is not a mistake but the most vile, sinful, unlawful act one human can do to another human. It cannot be erased like words or inncorect punctuation. It is permanent like permanent ink only in a much more permanent way. Even permanent ink can eventually fade from your skin. Murder though is permanent until, in my opinion, God can fix it. So punishment is the only alternative. Yes even the death sentence. Why does a murderer deserve less than their victim/s? They already get a much nicer death in this day and age.

[Snowy]

lady said:

Snowy I hope all goes well with your test and everything turns out fine. I know what it is like to be under stress and feel the need to leave the board because I left as well . I figured if I totally left the board then I wouldn't be tempted to post but I found myself missing everyone and evenually found my way back . I hope you come back too Snowy .......


Lady without the Cookie .....LOL

Well I know now having deleted my old account that I can stay away at times. I think will spend less time here then I used to. Like I said, I lurked for a little while under a different name and really resisted the urge to say something. I proved that I could actually do that. Char knew who I was but I told her I won't post under a different name but I didn't reveal myself because I really needed a break. I was sure many who knew me would figure out who I was. When some writes a lot you begin to learn their style. I said I will mostly lurk on ocassion but I'm sure I will say something if I think I need to. Because I am not he type of person who can keep her mouth shut for long even in writing. ;D

[Lady]

Snowy said:

lady said:

Snowy I hope all goes well with your test and everything turns out fine. I know what it is like to be under stress and feel the need to leave the board because I left as well . I figured if I totally left the board then I wouldn't be tempted to post but I found myself missing everyone and evenually found my way back . I hope you come back too Snowy .......


Lady without the Cookie .....LOL

Well I know now having deleted my old account that I can stay away at times. I think will spend less time here then I used to. Like I said, I lurked for a little while under a different name and really resisted the urge to say something. I proved that I could actually do that. Char knew who I was but I told her I won't post under a different name but I didn't reveal myself because I really needed a break. I was sure many who knew me would figure out who I was. When some writes a lot you begin to learn their style. I said I will mostly lurk on ocassion but I'm sure I will say something if I think I need to. Because I am not he type of person who can keep her mouth shut for long even in writing. ;D

Snowy I did the same thing ,joined under a different name ,just to read and Char knew who I was, as well .When I decided I was ready to post I came back as Lady ,just chose to leave the Cookie off this time . I look forward to you coming back . Hurry up and make it soon because I enjoy reading your posts.

[Felix2]

Snowy said:

I intend to get back to everyone here but right now I want to address Felix. You want to know what really bothers you Felix is the fact that you really don't know what Christ taught and it bothers you that I do.. You claim you are familar with some of the things that Christ taught when in fact you know very little. And you are upset that I have pointed out many things to you and can't respond so you try to spout nonsense thinking that is somehow going to make me cower, run and change my mind. Well you haven't said one that has made do that yet. If you are familar enough then you might explain to me why there is a hell if God is as loving as you say? Then you could also explain to me why a "loving" God even allows a murder to happen if certain deaths are unnecesary.as you claim? Tell me Felix why does God/Christ as you claim allow someone to be murdered who "couldn't defend themselves? Why would God allow a two year old to die at the hands of an evil person? You would think it would be okay for the murderer to die if the two year old could have defended themselves to stop the murder. Now tell me Felix how likely is that to happen?
When have I ever said that knowing the Bible defines Christianity? I have known many people to misuse the Bible for their own gain which never impresses me. Like I said Christianity is a way of life. It's not just about being against issue like the dp or even an issue like abortion. As much as I really don't approve of abortion I'm certain not for people like Paul Hill to take it upon themselves to blow up abortion clincs because I know that's wrong. We are expected to do things the legal way. If the legal way isn't always an option like when it comes to people like Hitler or Saddam well then I guess we go to war and remove evil. You have yet to prove Christ was against the dp. You have yet to prove that prison is totally secure. We both know that murderers have gone on to murder in prison. Some have even ordered murders of other people willing to help the murder cause. I think it is impossible to say that prison is totally able to secure someone when the prison population is large and inmates out number the wardens. And we have come to learn that not everyone who works in a prison is honest. Some have smuggled drugs to others some have even help violent escape.
What really bothers you Felix is that you do believe in Christ but you want to make him into what you want to be instead of humbling yourself and take on the attitude and behavior you know you should have. So you think Christ was against the dp according to your own reasoning well my answer to you is, so what? You have admitted to me that you could care less on what God thinks of you otherwise so what makes you think Christ cares whether or not you support the dp or think it should happen.? Do you think that being against the dp somehow will fix the wrong behavior that you seem to suffer from otherwise? I don't think so. So you believe in God, so what, even the demons believe in one God and tremble. James 2:19 So you think you know what Christ taught to some extent well so do many false ministers of Christ. 2 Cor. 11:13 So instead of just thinking you know what Christ meant when he walked the Earth and taught you for your own well being had better get in gear and really provethese things to yourself. So you say Christ was against the dp well prove it Felix. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting. The cows have now come home and have been milked. You know you can't do it and that is what really bothers you. So you're against the dp, do you think that's what is going to save you so you can live like you want to otherwise. Well show me where Christ taught that? If you believe in Christ in anyway shape or form and I know you do then you had better clean up your act.. Being against the dp is not what is going to save you. And I don't care if the Pope himself comes and reads your last rights. Behaving the way you do I can't respect on what you think Christ taught regarding the dp or anything and that is because I have no respect for you. So if you want me to take you seriously then you had better prove it and prove it well and better do it in a way that I can respect otherwise your just beating a dead horse because I can't take you seriously. So why don't you go and think seriously about what I have said. So you have said you enjoy being vulgar well does Christ enjoy it? You talk about self righteousness and pompous types well if anyone suffers from this I think if you do. Anyone who claims to now what Christ taught and don't care what Christ thinks of their behavior otherwise probably suffers from that themselves. So I believe your real problem isn't me but the fact that you have a problem and don't want to deal with it. And it bothers you when I point to what the Bible really says and why shouldn't it. It says in Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates enen to dividing the soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the hear. 2 Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebukng, correcting and training in righteousness.
The fact that I have corrected you so many times with the Bible is what really bothers you and you can't do it in response. I am saying these things to your because like I said you claim to believe. This is not for those who don't. So I think you had better rethink your behavior and I'm not talking about the dp.
God bless and good luck. In all sincereity Snowy

------------------------------------------------------------------------Well *screw* me! All I did this morning was take a 12 mile dri9ve to work in Wales and the UK and I land right in the middle of the bible belt, this internet is something else. To begin with Snowy, dont presume to lecture me about what bothers me, you cannot know this in any way shape or form, and when you assume you generally start out making an ass of yourself. As for being unable to say anything to change your mind, why should that make me feel bad. After all I am in great company considering Christ himself said plenty about how to treat others and prisoners and that had little impact also?
The reason a loving God allows murder to happen is because to give us free will that is neccessary. As for hell your theologians shouldm have explained that hell is when a human being freely turns away from God and has less to do with God's rejection of a human being. The sixth commandment says thou "shalt not kill", but obviously thatr is not clear enough for you.

[john - uk]

Snowy,
I hope everything goes well for you and that your health scare is just that, a scare. You are in my thoughts, and I hope you are able to come back soon.
John

[Snowy]

felix2 said:

Snowy said:

I intend to get back to everyone here but right now I want to address Felix. You want to know what really bothers you Felix is the fact that you really don't know what Christ taught and it bothers you that I do.. You claim you are familar with some of the things that Christ taught when in fact you know very little. And you are upset that I have pointed out many things to you and can't respond so you try to spout nonsense thinking that is somehow going to make me cower, run and change my mind. Well you haven't said one that has made do that yet. If you are familar enough then you might explain to me why there is a hell if God is as loving as you say? Then you could also explain to me why a "loving" God even allows a murder to happen if certain deaths are unnecesary.as you claim? Tell me Felix why does God/Christ as you claim allow someone to be murdered who "couldn't defend themselves? Why would God allow a two year old to die at the hands of an evil person? You would think it would be okay for the murderer to die if the two year old could have defended themselves to stop the murder. Now tell me Felix how likely is that to happen?
When have I ever said that knowing the Bible defines Christianity? I have known many people to misuse the Bible for their own gain which never impresses me. Like I said Christianity is a way of life. It's not just about being against issue like the dp or even an issue like abortion. As much as I really don't approve of abortion I'm certain not for people like Paul Hill to take it upon themselves to blow up abortion clincs because I know that's wrong. We are expected to do things the legal way. If the legal way isn't always an option like when it comes to people like Hitler or Saddam well then I guess we go to war and remove evil. You have yet to prove Christ was against the dp. You have yet to prove that prison is totally secure. We both know that murderers have gone on to murder in prison. Some have even ordered murders of other people willing to help the murder cause. I think it is impossible to say that prison is totally able to secure someone when the prison population is large and inmates out number the wardens. And we have come to learn that not everyone who works in a prison is honest. Some have smuggled drugs to others some have even help violent escape.
What really bothers you Felix is that you do believe in Christ but you want to make him into what you want to be instead of humbling yourself and take on the attitude and behavior you know you should have. So you think Christ was against the dp according to your own reasoning well my answer to you is, so what? You have admitted to me that you could care less on what God thinks of you otherwise so what makes you think Christ cares whether or not you support the dp or think it should happen.? Do you think that being against the dp somehow will fix the wrong behavior that you seem to suffer from otherwise? I don't think so. So you believe in God, so what, even the demons believe in one God and tremble. James 2:19 So you think you know what Christ taught to some extent well so do many false ministers of Christ. 2 Cor. 11:13 So instead of just thinking you know what Christ meant when he walked the Earth and taught you for your own well being had better get in gear and really provethese things to yourself. So you say Christ was against the dp well prove it Felix. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting. The cows have now come home and have been milked. You know you can't do it and that is what really bothers you. So you're against the dp, do you think that's what is going to save you so you can live like you want to otherwise. Well show me where Christ taught that? If you believe in Christ in anyway shape or form and I know you do then you had better clean up your act.. Being against the dp is not what is going to save you. And I don't care if the Pope himself comes and reads your last rights. Behaving the way you do I can't respect on what you think Christ taught regarding the dp or anything and that is because I have no respect for you. So if you want me to take you seriously then you had better prove it and prove it well and better do it in a way that I can respect otherwise your just beating a dead horse because I can't take you seriously. So why don't you go and think seriously about what I have said. So you have said you enjoy being vulgar well does Christ enjoy it? You talk about self righteousness and pompous types well if anyone suffers from this I think if you do. Anyone who claims to now what Christ taught and don't care what Christ thinks of their behavior otherwise probably suffers from that themselves. So I believe your real problem isn't me but the fact that you have a problem and don't want to deal with it. And it bothers you when I point to what the Bible really says and why shouldn't it. It says in Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates enen to dividing the soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the hear. 2 Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebukng, correcting and training in righteousness.
The fact that I have corrected you so many times with the Bible is what really bothers you and you can't do it in response. I am saying these things to your because like I said you claim to believe. This is not for those who don't. So I think you had better rethink your behavior and I'm not talking about the dp.
God bless and good luck. In all sincereity Snowy

------------------------------------------------------------------------Well *screw* me! All I did this morning was take a 12 mile dri9ve to work in Wales and the UK and I land right in the middle of the bible belt, this internet is something else. To begin with Snowy, dont presume to lecture me about what bothers me, you cannot know this in any way shape or form, and when you assume you generally start out making an ass of yourself. As for being unable to say anything to change your mind, why should that make me feel bad. After all I am in great company considering Christ himself said plenty about how to treat others and prisoners and that had little impact also?
The reason a loving God allows murder to happen is because to give us free will that is neccessary. As for hell your theologians shouldm have explained that hell is when a human being freely turns away from God and has less to do with God's rejection of a human being. The sixth commandment says thou "shalt not kill", but obviously thatr is not clear enough for you.

You don't even know what Christ said. You can't quote one word. And go ahead and do to yourself what you said in your first word maybe that's what you need. Have fun!

[Snowy]

*screw* me! All I did this morning was take a 12 mile dri9ve to work in Wales and the UK and I land right in the middle of the bible belt, this internet is something else. To begin with Snowy, dont presume to lecture me about what bothers me, you cannot know this in any way shape or form, and when you assume you generally start out making an ass of yourself. As for being unable to say anything to change your mind, why should that make me feel bad. After all I am in great company considering Christ himself said plenty about how to treat others and prisoners and that had little impact also?
The reason a loving God allows murder to happen is because to give us free will that is neccessary. As for hell your theologians shouldm have explained that hell is when a human being freely turns away from God and has less to do with God's rejection of a human being. The sixth commandment says thou "shalt not kill", but obviously thatr is not clear enough for you.


I find it funny how you know what Christ and God taught but yet don't know where to look. Exactly what did Christ say about murderers. Yes he said prisoners but maybe he was talking about people who would go to prison just for believing in him. Anyone can look up and know that early Christians were put in prison just for believing in him. Now I'm not saying that's the case but he doesn't say anything. Never once did he say don't execute a murderer let them live. You can't find it! You can't find it! You cannot find those words. That's what bother you Felix. So where do you go. To the Old Testament and quote "Thou shalt not kill" The same God who commanded this also commanded that murderers be put death. You cannot use the commandment and apply it to not executing a murderer. Like I said Felix it bothers you that I actually know what Christ said and I can show you where the words are. You can't. What did Christ say regarding prisoners. I know and I also know where the words are. But do you Felix? Where are they since you know Christ? Either put up or shut up.

[Dea]

Well, I miss your input alot, Snowy! Hope to see you back on the board soon. I wish you all the best with your health. That's far more important.

[Felix2]

Snowy said:

felix2 said:

------------------------------------------------------------------------Well *screw* me! All I did this morning was take a 12 mile dri9ve to work in Wales and the UK and I land right in the middle of the bible belt, this internet is something else. To begin with Snowy, dont presume to lecture me about what bothers me, you cannot know this in any way shape or form, and when you assume you generally start out making an ass of yourself. As for being unable to say anything to change your mind, why should that make me feel bad. After all I am in great company considering Christ himself said plenty about how to treat others and prisoners and that had little impact also?
The reason a loving God allows murder to happen is because to give us free will that is neccessary. As for hell your theologians shouldm have explained that hell is when a human being freely turns away from God and has less to do with God's rejection of a human being. The sixth commandment says thou "shalt not kill", but obviously thatr is not clear enough for you.

You don't even know what Christ said. You can't quote one word. And go ahead and do to yourself what you said in your first word maybe that's what you need. Have fun!

Snowy, are you telling me to *screw* myself? If so then there is hope for you yet, I am impressed. You said something it does say in the bible! Yipeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! If you keep this up we could become good friends you know! As for quoting one word Christ said how about AMEN. Have'nt a fcuking clue what it means or anything being the heathen that I am, but he did say that did'nt he, so please apologise. Oh, BTW he said a lot about forgiveness too, but you being the self righteous little hypocrite that you are, you dont want to hear that, do you. Why not admit it Snow, you're as violent and evil doing as the rest of us, juast a tad more deluded in that you think you're not. Go on, admit it, you'll feel much better than swallowing all that crap your born again minister trots out to you on weekends, just tell her to get laid and she will feel better too, or better still, discover that she probably is, and you might finally waken up! LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Snowy]

felix2 said:

Snowy said:

You don't even know what Christ said. You can't quote one word. And go ahead and do to yourself what you said in your first word maybe that's what you need. Have fun!

Snowy, are you telling me to *screw* myself? If so then there is hope for you yet, I am impressed. You said something it does say in the bible! Yipeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! If you keep this up we could become good friends you know! As for quoting one word Christ said how about AMEN. Have'nt a fcuking clue what it means or anything being the heathen that I am, but he did say that did'nt he, so please apologise. Oh, BTW he said a lot about forgiveness too, but you being the self righteous little hypocrite that you are, you dont want to hear that, do you. Why not admit it Snow, you're as violent and evil doing as the rest of us, juast a tad more deluded in that you think you're not. Go on, admit it, you'll feel much better than swallowing all that crap your born again minister trots out to you on weekends, just tell her to get laid and she will feel better too, or better still, discover that she probably is, and you might finally waken up! LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D

I never want to be your friend ever. I don't even want to meet you. It's interesting how you spout things about Christ without backing it up. Who's the one that doesn't know anything.? I would say it's you.
You say the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill" which means actually murder. Interesting because that's quote from the Old Testament two times. Pretty simple isn't it. Now when it talks about the murderer being put to death much more detail is given on what to do and that is execute them. That is mentioned six times. Interesting six times. I would say that's three times as much as "Thou shalt not kill". I guess God wanted us to understand the difference between a murderer and a person being murdered. When it talks about putting them to death much more detail is given. I know you don't know where to find these Felix. So I'll help you Gen. 9:5-6 Ex.21:12 Lev. 24:17 Lev. 24:21 Num. 35:16-19, 30Deut. 19:11-13 I also might note here that these are mentioned in each book which are called the books of the law.
Now I guess when God said "Thou shalt not kill" but at the same time told people to execute murderers that makes God a hypocrite too! Now I know Felix that truth is painful for you. So all you can do is name call because you can't back up your beliefs. Now if you want to get into what Christ said about "Thou shalt not Kill" I would be happy to do that. I might also add when this command is quoted in the New Testament the word murder is used. Matt. 19:18 Shall we look at what Christ really said or maybe you can't take it.

[Snowy]

I also might add Felix, when you spout your forgiveness crap you don't even go into detail about what is taught. You act as if Christ's most important point is to not to execute murderers when he didn't even say that.
But you know what he meant after all you were standing the with him!

[Snowy]

felix2 said:

------------------------------------------------------------------------The reason a loving God allows murder to happen is because to give us free will that is neccessary.

Prove to me that the reason God allows murder to happen because he gave us free will but at the same time is very upset when we execute a murderer. And from you I get the impression that God is far more upset with a murderer being executed than the freewill murder to happen in the first place. That's just something God allows. Right? Freewill to murder but don't touch the murderer or you'll really get it.

[Felix2]

Snowy said:

felix2 said:

------------------------------------------------------------------------The reason a loving God allows murder to happen is because to give us free will that is neccessary.

Prove to me that the reason God allows murder to happen because he gave us free will but at the same time is very upset when we execute a murderer. And from you I get the impression that God is far more upset with a murderer being executed than the freewill murder to happen in the first place. That's just something God allows. Right? Freewill to murder but don't touch the murderer or you'll really get it.

No I wont fcuking prove that to you, that is what you just wrote, if you dont believe it stop writing it!

[Felix2]

Snowy said:

felix2 said:

Snowy, are you telling me to *screw* myself? If so then there is hope for you yet, I am impressed. You said something it does say in the bible! Yipeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! If you keep this up we could become good friends you know! As for quoting one word Christ said how about AMEN. Have'nt a fcuking clue what it means or anything being the heathen that I am, but he did say that did'nt he, so please apologise. Oh, BTW he said a lot about forgiveness too, but you being the self righteous little hypocrite that you are, you dont want to hear that, do you. Why not admit it Snow, you're as violent and evil doing as the rest of us, juast a tad more deluded in that you think you're not. Go on, admit it, you'll feel much better than swallowing all that crap your born again minister trots out to you on weekends, just tell her to get laid and she will feel better too, or better still, discover that she probably is, and you might finally waken up! LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D

I never want to be your friend ever. I don't even want to meet you. It's interesting how you spout things about Christ without backing it up. Who's the one that doesn't know anything.? I would say it's you.
You say the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill" which means actually murder. Interesting because that's quote from the Old Testament two times. Pretty simple isn't it. Now when it talks about the murderer being put to death much more detail is given on what to do and that is execute them. That is mentioned six times. Interesting six times. I would say that's three times as much as "Thou shalt not kill". I guess God wanted us to understand the difference between a murderer and a person being murdered. When it talks about putting them to death much more detail is given. I know you don't know where to find these Felix. So I'll help you Gen. 9:5-6 Ex.21:12 Lev. 24:17 Lev. 24:21 Num. 35:16-19, 30Deut. 19:11-13 I also might note here that these are mentioned in each book which are called the books of the law.
Now I guess when God said "Thou shalt not kill" but at the same time told people to execute murderers that makes God a hypocrite too! Now I know Felix that truth is painful for you. So all you can do is name call because you can't back up your beliefs. Now if you want to get into what Christ said about "Thou shalt not Kill" I would be happy to do that. I might also add when this command is quoted in the New Testament the word murder is used. Matt. 19:18 Shall we look at what Christ really said or maybe you can't take it.

Looking at the title of your thread I assume you are now back judging by the volume of your posts? You also said I dont bother you a bit, but your inability to just ignore my posts says something different.

[Snowy]

felix2 said:

Snowy said:

Prove to me that the reason God allows murder to happen because he gave us free will but at the same time is very upset when we execute a murderer. And from you I get the impression that God is far more upset with a murderer being executed than the freewill murder to happen in the first place. That's just something God allows. Right? Freewill to murder but don't touch the murderer or you'll really get it.

No I wont fcuking prove that to you, that is what you just wrote, if you dont believe it stop writing it!

You won't prove it to me because you [size6]can't![/size] Ha Ha Felix is mad and I'm glad. He got cornered and is now trying to use his claws.