What are the statistics?

[SQ]

What are the statistics on wrongful capital murder convictions?

[SQ]

I keep looking for these statistics. Can anyone show me where to look?

[truth1]

SQ said:

I keep looking for these statistics. Can anyone show me where to look?

It is my understanding that there have not been many innocents convicted. Here is the rub, however: just because a person's death sentence was commuted to LWOP, does NOT mean the person was innocent. A sentence could be commuted for a number of reasons (i.e. errors in a lower courts procedings, inadequate representation, ect...). The antis would love people to believe that a commutation means the person was innocent; however, as former Gov. Ryan proved, that is not always the case.

[SQ]

Are there any publications on the statistics?

[anna_marek]

There have been wrongful DP convictions, but it's never been proven that an innocent man was executed in recent US history. This Larry King show presentss 3 guests who were wrongfully convicted of murder and sentenced to death. The sentences were all overturned, perhaps due largely to the extensive review and investigation of death penalty cases. It's quite reasonable to suspect that one of all of these wrongfully convicted gentlemen would still be in prison if they were sentenced to LWOP, where the chance of being "forgotten and neglected" is greater.

transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/21/lkl.01.html

[SQ]

I'm really not looking for news stories or interviews or opinions, what I'm looking for is are publications of facts of the statistics of wrongful convictions, like government/official statistics.

Thank you trying to help, though.

[Deleted]

I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, but it was the nearest thing to it I could find.

There are several years of information from the US Dept of Justice on this page

www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cp.htm

It looks like removals from DR are addressed in the yearly Capital Punishment reports.

There are also several tables that give some basic information on reasons for removal from Death Row in the Correctional Populations documents lower down on the same page that I checked, but I did not check all of them. You might want to.

Hope this helps. However I did not find anything at all that addressed "wrongful convictions" other than Anti-DP oriented articles and websites, and Pro responses to their assertions.

Please note that Anti-DP sources have been known to call someone whose sentence was commuted wrongfully convicted or innocent no matter what reason there was for the sentence being changed - even when there is no question of guilt. This is simply dishonest IMO.

[Deleted]

SQ said:

I keep looking for these statistics. Can anyone show me where to look?

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=412&scid=6#inn-st

I think this is exactly what you are lookiing for

good luck

[SQ]

The third link is very helpful. I didn't see anything about wrongful convictions in the 2nd link.

I would have thought that the BJS would have something about wrongful convictions or exonerations being that they keep up with statistics like that.

Thank you so much for your help.

[blakely]

The third link is to a biased and discredited report touted by those against the dp.

[Deleted]

SQ said:

The third link is very helpful. I didn't see anything about wrongful convictions in the 2nd link.

I would have thought that the BJS would have something about wrongful convictions or exonerations being that they keep up with statistics like that.

Thank you so much for your help.

I believe the point is that the terms *wrongful convictions* and *exonerations* are only used by biased anti-dp sites. Wherever you find the term *wrongful convictions* or *exonerations* you will be dealing with distorted, and often blatantly false, information. The legal and true classifications for the reasons for removals from DR are in the BJS information.

[Deleted]

SQ said:

The third link is very helpful. I didn't see anything about wrongful convictions in the 2nd link.

I would have thought that the BJS would have something about wrongful convictions or exonerations being that they keep up with statistics like that.

Thank you so much for your help.

here is another sight for you to try. has some good sources to cross check you information sadly only goes up to 2000.



www.dpio.org/death_row/Innocents_Released_per_Capita.html


QUESTION FOR JBS..... I looked at that sight and could not find their definitions... would you be so kind as to tell us what they are... I have always believed that those stated were the leagal terms.

[SQ]

janet said:

SQ said:

The third link is very helpful. I didn't see anything about wrongful convictions in the 2nd link.

I would have thought that the BJS would have something about wrongful convictions or exonerations being that they keep up with statistics like that.

Thank you so much for your help.

I believe the point is that the terms *wrongful convictions* and *exonerations* are only used by biased anti-dp sites. Wherever you find the term *wrongful convictions* or *exonerations* you will be dealing with distorted, and often blatantly false, information. The legal and true classifications for the reasons for removals from DR are in the BJS information.

I didn't see the stats of wrongful convictions on the bjs site though. I'm assuming they keep stats on such. If you could lead me in the right direction on that site, I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

[Deleted]

SQ said:

What are the statistics on wrongful capital murder convictions?

Here are a couple of other sights which cannot be classed as Bias . these should confirm the figures On the previous two sights I provides for you. Both sights are from the wikapedia online encyclopedia..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment

SCROLL DOWN TO JUSTICE ARGUMENT.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States

SCROLL DOWN TO CONTROVERCY OVER PENALTY.

This sight below gives you a list of sites to do some research from. it list all pro and anti sites so you will be able to form and confirm your own conclusions.

. Good luck



oncampus.richmond.edu/connect/issues/criminaljustice/death_penalty_information.html#National

[blakely]

Do you know what a wikipedia is? No, I didn't think so. They are just repeating the DPIC report that has been discredited. Do you ever bother to read what you are citing? This wiki article is extremely biased and most of the anti-dp arguments they include are nonsense if not down right offensive

[RickZ]

Wikipedia is a joke, and should never be used as a reference for anything.

[Deleted]

People .. please .. this is not a debate thread.... the person is asking for help to understand... rather than trying to discredit every sight that is offered to help . why dont you post a sights to assit rather than degrading with the ones that are posted. This person has asked for some help not for a debate on personal beliefs and thats all they can be unless you can offer other alternatives to answer her quetsions. this person seems intelligent and will form her/his own opinions any way. And in my opinion the sites posted have creditible data as I have checked of other data they have supplied with in formation availible form some government/ law sites and even BJS and that data is all consistent with what is supplied.

The last sight I posted was neither pro nor anti it was a comination of both... you cannot get any fairer that that. Lets try and help and leave the debates for the other threads.

[sweethonesty]

SQ said:

What are the statistics on wrongful capital murder convictions?

I dont know of any personally SQ, but i can ask around.

[limbololly]

I found the innocence project website a very interesting site to look at innocence on death row and also LWOP.

www.innocenceproject.org

I am one who believes that some people who have been convicted of a crime are innocent but i also believe that although they might be innocent of what they are convicted of does not mean they are innocent of all crimes- police just don't pull people off the street and say you killed so and so now you will go to jail. However i have read that this has happened.

But have a look for yourself!

Lisa

[blakely]

There is nothing abhorrent about wrongful convictions in that the criminal process encompasses appeals. These defendants were exonerated on appeal. I didn't read every case but did review a number from California. One thing that seems evident is that a number of them, if not the majority, were cleared by DNA evidence. So with the use of DNA evidence, the antis can't complain of wrongful execution.

[limbololly]

Blakely, from your research did you find anyone who was cleared by DNA yet was still LWOP?