The Devils Advocate
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Post by The Devils Advocate on Dec 11, 2005 12:14:03 GMT -6
#1 - Would it be possible that with the Death Penalty in place, criminals would simply commit more violent crimes with the mentality of "I might as well go out with a bang" for crimes that they would earn them a capital punishment sentence.
#2 - The sanctity of life is a major issue concerning the DP, an issue which carries over to medical practices as well. One in particular is Abortion. If one is Pro DP, does this mean that one is For Abortions?
#3 - Could the desire for one's revenge against a criminal be satisfied in other ways other than the Death Penalty, for example knowing that the criminal in question must live with the guilt of murder (or any other crime punishable by death) for the remainder of their years in prison?
#4 - What are one's thoughts about the Families of the criminals who have committed crimes punishable by death?
#5 - Who are we (humans, mortals, etc...) to judge the value of one's life?
Thank you for your time, I’m sure as my research/paper comes along I will come up with more questions.
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Post by blakely on Dec 11, 2005 12:23:08 GMT -6
#1 - I have seen no studies proving such a theory. I have heard of studies with a similar premise when the sentences of sex crimes was increased, i.e., would sentences that amounted to lwop result in rape victims being murdered. The answer was no.
#2 - You would have to ask each individual who supports the death penalty what their view is on abortion.
#3 - Obviously, you have had little contact with criminals. What ever makes you think they feel guilt? Most are sociopaths. And, according to the anti-dp folks, they are all innocent anyway. Not one damn guilty man or woman on death row. lol!
#4 - I pity those who do not insult victim's, the families of victim's, or the justice system. Those that do, I have no use for.
#5 - Who better to judge the value of life but those who have not murdered and who think it is wrong?
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 12, 2005 13:09:14 GMT -6
#1 - Would it be possible that with the Death Penalty in place, criminals would simply commit more violent crimes with the mentality of "I might as well go out with a bang" for crimes that they would earn them a capital punishment sentence. #2 - The sanctity of life is a major issue concerning the DP, an issue which carries over to medical practices as well. One in particular is Abortion. If one is Pro DP, does this mean that one is For Abortions? #3 - Could the desire for one's revenge against a criminal be satisfied in other ways other than the Death Penalty, for example knowing that the criminal in question must live with the guilt of murder (or any other crime punishable by death) for the remainder of their years in prison? #4 - What are one's thoughts about the Families of the criminals who have committed crimes punishable by death? #5 - Who are we (humans, mortals, etc...) to judge the value of one's life? Thank you for your time, I’m sure as my research/paper comes along I will come up with more questions. #1 Of course anything is possible however since it is usual that the criminals think they are not going to be caught and if caught be able to beat the rap then I would say no it is not a logical conclusion. There may be one or two that think this way but I have not seen nor heard of it being done. #2 The 2 issues are different and the people that support abortion may be found on both sides of the DP issue. The conclusion would have to be one has nothing to do with the other. #3 I have worked for years with criminals and in all of those years 99.9% do not concern themselves with the victims of their crimes they are only concerned with themselves. So to me the answer is they do not concern themselves with the victims so they would not live with any guilt but they will worry about their impending date with the executioner. #4 I am sorry that they have to live with the shame that their loved one had so little regard for their fellow human that they murdered someone. It shows poor morals and values. If the family only has concern for their loved one and none for the victims family then I have little concern what they do think. #5 We are the ones who judge all crimes including murder and if it is know that the sentence for murder is DP then morally it is not wrong for us to execute them. The value of life is what the criminal did not judge, they forfeited any right they might have including the right to continue living.
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Post by ltdc on Dec 12, 2005 16:03:02 GMT -6
#1 - Would it be possible that with the Death Penalty in place, criminals would simply commit more violent crimes with the mentality of "I might as well go out with a bang" for crimes that they would earn them a capital punishment sentence. #2 - The sanctity of life is a major issue concerning the DP, an issue which carries over to medical practices as well. One in particular is Abortion. If one is Pro DP, does this mean that one is For Abortions? #3 - Could the desire for one's revenge against a criminal be satisfied in other ways other than the Death Penalty, for example knowing that the criminal in question must live with the guilt of murder (or any other crime punishable by death) for the remainder of their years in prison? #4 - What are one's thoughts about the Families of the criminals who have committed crimes punishable by death? #5 - Who are we (humans, mortals, etc...) to judge the value of one's life? Thank you for your time, I’m sure as my research/paper comes along I will come up with more questions. #1: of course it's possible, anythings possible, but we don't scrap the whole system because of a possibility. criminals don't think that far ahead, for the most part criminals are stupid and lazy. #2: it's my experience that generally pro dp folks are usually anti abortion and visa versa #3: if my family member was murdered I can pretty well garantee that "his living with guilt" just isn't going to cut it for me, and spending my tax dollars to keep them alive would be a MAJOR slap in the face #4: I can feel bad for their families, unless they're a perpetual crime family. plenty of those out there #5: if we humans/mortals don't assign value to everything including life, who will? dogs? trees? who? and don't forget that not properly punishing killers is the same as assigning a big "zero" to the life of the victim
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Post by josephdphillips on Dec 12, 2005 16:16:06 GMT -6
if we humans/mortals don't assign value to everything including life, who will? dogs? trees? who? and don't forget that not properly punishing killers is the same as assigning a big "zero" to the life of the victim This is extremely well-said, LTDC. Nice answer.
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Post by blakely on Dec 12, 2005 16:29:03 GMT -6
I suspect he won't like our answers. lol!
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Post by Felix2 on Dec 12, 2005 16:30:57 GMT -6
if we humans/mortals don't assign value to everything including life, who will? dogs? trees? who? and don't forget that not properly punishing killers is the same as assigning a big "zero" to the life of the victim This is extremely well-said, LTDC. Nice answer. Anti's dont propose to not punish prisoners, we dont agree that killing is a solution to killing.
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Post by sweethonesty on Dec 12, 2005 16:39:55 GMT -6
Your solution is ..... rewarding bad behavior with a light sentence of LWOP, it doesn't give an effective message to those that murder. What it says is.. you can spend the rest of your life in prison with out having to pay for room and board, and you get visits from your loved ones on weekends. How is that fair punishment for those that take innocent lives?
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Post by Donnie on Dec 12, 2005 22:48:11 GMT -6
#1 - Would it be possible that with the Death Penalty in place, criminals would simply commit more violent crimes with the mentality of "I might as well go out with a bang" for crimes that they would earn them a capital punishment sentence. No. No, there is a difference between murderers, those who haven't murdered and those who have not committed any crimes at all. Revenge isn't involved. The pursuit of justice is the reason for having the DP. Few if any murderers live with any guilt about their crimes. Many of them hang out with other murderers and relive the joys of their past crimes. What did they do to create a murderer and why do they get a free pass for that act? I can understand why you would ask such a question. However, for most of us judgement and the pursuit of justice are important hallmarks of civilization. I hope they get better.
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Post by The Devils Advocate on Dec 15, 2005 20:22:37 GMT -6
Good stuff Guys, thanks a lot for your help. All your comments are well apreciated and help me greatly in completing my essay. I'll let you know how I did later on Thanks Again
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