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Post by crappieboy on Jun 8, 2006 12:47:23 GMT -6
I disagree. When a criminal has committed brutal, vicious murder s/he has proven that they have no respect for human life and should never be trusted amongst us anywhere inside or outside of prison again. My daughter's murderer has ordered others to murder (and they did), has murdered for revenge, and has murdered to keep people silent so that they could not disclose the fact that he had already murdered, and all of these in a premeditated, depraved execution style. The world is simply a bit safer if at least this one particular criminal is no longer on this earth. I don't think anyone could say that he could possibly be the only one either. Like Joseph I have looked into a murderer's eyes and seen the hate for others that can be there, and it IS truly chilling (well, I guess that word approximates the feeling; it is really hard to think of one that would truly describe what I felt). I have stood for 2 days in an ICU watching my daughter die from her horrific wounds, witness to his handiwork on this earthly plane. He no longer needs to inhabit it. 100% guaranteed when/if that day of execution comes that he will never, ever do this to any other family on this earth. No other penalty is 100% guarantee; murders of CO's and inmates simply DO happen in prison, even if they never escape. I would fear for the other non-violent offenders he might eventually be around someday and the CO's if he were not on DR and executed. To Dorata45, I have no idea if this is what you were looking for, but it is how I feel and what I know from the horrifying reality of murder that has bombed its way into our lives. You couldn't have summed it up any better for me! 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2006 20:39:21 GMT -6
I disagree. When a criminal has committed brutal, vicious murder s/he has proven that they have no respect for human life and should never be trusted amongst us anywhere inside or outside of prison again. My daughter's murderer has ordered others to murder (and they did), has murdered for revenge, and has murdered to keep people silent so that they could not disclose the fact that he had already murdered, and all of these in a premeditated, depraved execution style. The world is simply a bit safer if at least this one particular criminal is no longer on this earth. I don't think anyone could say that he could possibly be the only one either. Like Joseph I have looked into a murderer's eyes and seen the hate for others that can be there, and it IS truly chilling (well, I guess that word approximates the feeling; it is really hard to think of one that would truly describe what I felt). I have stood for 2 days in an ICU watching my daughter die from her horrific wounds, witness to his handiwork on this earthly plane. He no longer needs to inhabit it. 100% guaranteed when/if that day of execution comes that he will never, ever do this to any other family on this earth. No other penalty is 100% guarantee; murders of CO's and inmates simply DO happen in prison, even if they never escape. I would fear for the other non-violent offenders he might eventually be around someday and the CO's if he were not on DR and executed. To Dorata45, I have no idea if this is what you were looking for, but it is how I feel and what I know from the horrifying reality of murder that has bombed its way into our lives. You couldn't have summed it up any better for me! Thank you crappieboy! I like your posts - You often say things that could have come from how I feel or think about some things too. |
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Post by crappieboy on Jun 9, 2006 5:51:02 GMT -6
How about "One bad apple - rotten to the core."
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Post by depressio on Aug 14, 2006 12:23:16 GMT -6
WHY SHOULD WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE TO PROVE THAT KILLING IS WRONG? I love trite sayings like these because they so often contain rhetorical fallacies. I have not heard or read anything by any death penalty supporter who claims that we "kill people to prove that killing [people] is wrong". I do hear a lot of talk about deterrence, but deterrence is not an attempt to convince others that doing something is wrong, but an attempt to convince others to avoid a certain course of action due to the inevitable (if long-delayed) consequences. The Bible has enshrined as one of its ten commandments the following: "Thou shalt not kill." And yet this same God commands the Israelites to put to death those who commit certain crimes. Those believers who think that the Bible forbids executions are using an inconsistent hermeneutic (method of interpretation). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2006 6:37:24 GMT -6
The death penalty is a waste of tax payers money
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Sept 15, 2006 13:27:03 GMT -6
The death penalty is a waste of tax payers money So is supporting a murderer the rest of his life. |
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Post by Even on Sept 16, 2006 8:48:23 GMT -6
The death penalty is a waste of tax payers money Only if you think the pursuit of justice has no value and you are happy to see innocent people killed or maimed by unexecuted murderers. |
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Post by crappieboy on Sept 16, 2006 21:13:04 GMT -6
ook you guys are definatly out of your minds! WHY SHOULD WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE TO PROVE THAT KILLING IS WRONG? ever thought of that? |
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Post by crappieboy on Sept 16, 2006 21:15:10 GMT -6
ook you guys are definatly out of your minds! WHY SHOULD WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE TO PROVE THAT KILLING IS WRONG? ever thought of that? That's what someone that has been charged with the death penalty usually says after murdering people. Perhaps they should have thought of the law before deciding to take it in their own hands. |
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Post by crappieboy on Sept 16, 2006 21:18:50 GMT -6
The death penalty is a waste of tax payers money Only if you think the pursuit of justice has no value and you are happy to see innocent people killed or maimed by unexecuted murderers. We've already seen innocent people killed. |
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Post by johnbgraf on Sept 2, 2007 8:16:36 GMT -6
The death penalty is a waste of tax payers money So is supporting a murderer the rest of his life. As a tax payer, I'd rather pay an executioner's salary anyday. I'd be the first to volunteer for the job, I'd do it as my own contribution to making a better society. That would take care of alot of wasted tax dollars.Not to say all the cost of the unneccesary legal cost to represent these murderers. |
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Post by LauraBeth511 on Sept 17, 2007 23:00:46 GMT -6
I read a pro death penalty quote that said something like 'if someone stole your bike-is it okay for them to continue to ride around on it?' have any of you heard of that quote or know the author-i cant find it now.
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Post by wolf on Sept 18, 2007 19:24:40 GMT -6
ook you guys are definatly out of your minds! WHY SHOULD WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE TO PROVE THAT KILLING IS WRONG? ever thought of that? they broke the social contract. By violating another person's right to live they have also violated theirs. |
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on Oct 14, 2007 0:53:21 GMT -6
The death penalty is a waste of tax payers money Firing squad-$10 for .30 caliber cartriges Electric chair-$200 for electric bill, electrodes, wires Hanging-$30 for 3/4'' thick rope Lethal Injection-$80 for IV's and drugs Feeding and clothing a murderer for life-$2million-$3 million The death penalty is not expensive; it is the law and politics that place the restrictions on it. Rediculous appeals, mitigating circumstances, and other delaying tactics are the reason for the costs leading up to the execution. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 21:44:15 GMT -6
I've always thought of executions as retroactive abortions.
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Post by gamewiz9191 on Oct 19, 2007 14:10:17 GMT -6
why?
an abortion is killing a baby who didnt get to decide their fate
a murderer had a choice- to kill or not to kill
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Post by Rev. Agave on Oct 19, 2007 14:15:32 GMT -6
The death penalty is a waste of tax payers money Firing squad-$10 for .30 caliber cartriges Electric chair-$200 for electric bill, electrodes, wires Hanging-$30 for 3/4'' thick rope Lethal Injection-$80 for IV's and drugs 1 dead murderer-priceless |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 15:11:02 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 22:24:27 GMT -6
The key word being retroactive.
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Post by Ariel on Oct 20, 2007 7:29:46 GMT -6
In the first place, I think the sickest argument against the death penalty which some antis use is the expense claim. Whether or not it's cheaper is beside the point. I would never punish a criminal on the basis of how much it costs. Justice is the point. I can accept the moral case against CP even though I don't agree with it and I can accept that sometimes innocent people have been executed (I asked four different experts on Allexperts.com, two pro, two anti, and got four different answers - but the average seemed to be that around 25 innocent people had been executed in the US during the last 100 years) but this talk about money is just sick. Fortunately none of the antis whose opinions I respect use that particular argument.
The real questions should be: is the guy guilty? and if so, do we execute him/her?
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Post by Guest on Oct 25, 2007 18:08:15 GMT -6
DP fine by me... as long as the way the DP is administered is right. Cases like the 1983 Jimmy Lee Gray one sicken me. DP should not be administered in ways like this!
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 25, 2007 18:57:43 GMT -6
In the first place, I think the sickest argument against the death penalty which some antis use is the expense claim. Whether or not it's cheaper is beside the point. I would never punish a criminal on the basis of how much it costs. Justice is the point. I can accept the moral case against CP even though I don't agree with it and I can accept that sometimes innocent people have been executed (I asked four different experts on Allexperts.com, two pro, two anti, and got four different answers - but the average seemed to be that around 25 innocent people had been executed in the US during the last 100 years) but this talk about money is just sick. Fortunately none of the antis whose opinions I respect use that particular argument. The real questions should be: is the guy guilty? and if so, do we execute him/her? not very bright experts. did they bother giving you cases? it is an absolute reality that no innocent person has been executed since the supreme court reinstated the death penalty in 1076. that is the most specious argument that antis toss out there. |
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Post by D.E.E. on Oct 26, 2007 17:23:54 GMT -6
ook you guys are definatly out of your minds! WHY SHOULD WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE TO PROVE THAT KILLING IS WRONG? ever thought of that? every time some new person post it I think of it, of course I then think, why lock someone up to prove kidnapping is wrong, why fine someone to prove stealing is wrong. Then I wake up and realize we don't kill them to prove killing is wrong we execute them becuase they murered someone and gave up the right to their own life in doing so. ever though of that? |
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Post by Kirk Amirault on Jan 24, 2008 11:07:22 GMT -6
Capital Punishment but all standards is wrong. There is pro capital punishment argument that can't be refuted. Lets face it Capital Punishment thrives most in the third world countries, as well as the most pig headed backwards hillbilly country in the world.....you guessed it......our moronic neighbours to the south. The united States. This is the same country who sticks there nose in foreign affairs in wars that have nothing to do with them. They are pure evil, and they will eventually pay for their constant stupidity. Pro capital punishment arguments can simply be refuted with an argument on morals. There is no valid argument that can be posted saying that capital punishment is moral. Morally it is wrong to kill even if on says in the pursuit of justice....justice can be obtained without killing a person....therefore since there are other options cap. pun. is immoral. There is no argument that can predicate otherwise. I dare somebody to try and I will refute it. I am a professor at the University of Toronto and have never lost a debate on the topic. Cap. Pun. is not a deterant, it is not cost effective, nor is the injection painless as many say it is. Morally it is wrong to kill another even in the name of state or country. Retribution was the main form of law thousands of years ago and it is still being used so where is the evolution. I have statistic to prove the capital punishment is more an entisement for a murdered due to fatuation with rick versus a common theory that it is a deterant. Capital Punishment is not a deterant and no valid "academic" evidence showing so can be found. Ever pro capital punishment arguments are valid.....those who refute anti capital punishment arguments....use so doing flawed ignorant arguments that only show ones personal bias, not solid fact, theory, or rhetoric ability. On an academic basis capital Punishment according to the reasons it was instilled is a system that does not meet these reason. Nobody can argue nor will ever be able to argue that is is morally acceptable to kill another in the name of state and pursuit of justice because the act of killing another is injustice whether by a person or by state in order to pursue justice. Justice cannot be pursued by an injustice therefore capital punishment is immoral and does not meet any defintion of justice or pursuit of justice.
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Post by Kirk Amirault on Jan 24, 2008 11:17:33 GMT -6
You people are so ignorant it makes me sick. 80 dollars for injection.....haha.....hate to tell you but the cost is far more then that.....first of all there are the administrative doctors who inject the shot. There are few doctors who are willing to do so , due to the reputation they get therefore they are paid in some cases upwards of 100 000 dollars per injection. There is also legal documentation on each case which costs close to 60 000 dollars, many death row inmates still spend between 10 and 20 years on death row so there is still a big prison costs (except in texas, they have an express lane on death row.....texas....surprising i think not.) Then there is the cost of the trial which is a massive cost which varies depending on the length of the trial. Then of course the costs of the appeals at three different court levels. How many people do you think you ignorant ants think you have killed that were truly innocent? Most of you will say none but that is completely ignorant and invalid. Murderers make me sick....but people who believe murder can be somehow incorporated in the justice system and back it up with faulty statistics makes me even sicker.
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Post by ltdc on Jan 24, 2008 11:42:29 GMT -6
I am a professor at the University of Toronto well this pretty much explains your post  I hate to be a "spelling nazi" here, but I am curious, to become a proffesor do you not have to take any english classes?? you know, spelling, grammar, sentence structure, and maybe even something about paragraphs?? |
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Post by Canada Americas AssHat on Jan 24, 2008 11:59:49 GMT -6
I would expect someone who claims to be a professor at the University of Toronto to have a better grasp of grammar, logic, and facts, which clearly you don’t. I would also expect a professor at the University of Toronto to be listed as faculty on their website and to have published papers easily found on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2008 19:09:07 GMT -6
This area is for student request's if you wish to debate capital punishment become a member, though to be honest you bore the crap out of me and I hope you don't.  You people are so ignorant it makes me sick. 80 dollars for injection.....haha.....hate to tell you but the cost is far more then that.....first of all there are the administrative doctors who inject the shot. There are few doctors who are willing to do so , due to the reputation they get therefore they are paid in some cases upwards of 100 000 dollars per injection. There is also legal documentation on each case which costs close to 60 000 dollars, many death row inmates still spend between 10 and 20 years on death row so there is still a big prison costs (except in texas, they have an express lane on death row.....texas....surprising i think not.) Then there is the cost of the trial which is a massive cost which varies depending on the length of the trial. Then of course the costs of the appeals at three different court levels. How many people do you think you ignorant ants think you have killed that were truly innocent? Most of you will say none but that is completely ignorant and invalid. Murderers make me sick....but people who believe murder can be somehow incorporated in the justice system and back it up with faulty statistics makes me even sicker. |
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