This weeks 'Mutt of the Week'.

[Pameeeeee]

liam said:

What's sad is I've offered this to others, however, no one has sent me the websites of their loved ones, however, some of these same people gripe about not having enough links/sites about the victims. My website has a lot of traffic and would be a good place to post your loved ones link to their website. So far, the only one up is my family member who was murdered.

Why would any family member want their loved ones link on a site that glorifies murderers and offers up ads for murderers regardless of the amount of traffic it receives?

I admit, there was a time in the recent past where I had my questions on whether the death penalty was ethical or not, and I posted my cousins page on a site I really wish I hadn't. But I am absolutely sure that would never happen again. Associating her name and website on the same pages as these killers is disrespectful on so many levels. Perhaps that is why your relative is the only one on your victim page, others may feel the same way I do.

[shawni]

amy said:

No Shawni, I am saying that Chi-Town's Voice is doing what she accused you of doing. I am not saying you did anything. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression

Oh I know you were not accusing me amy, I was just wondering to what you were referring she accused me of as it could be any number of things....lol Was just wondering.

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liam said:

What's sad is I've offered this to others, however, no one has sent me the websites of their loved ones, however, some of these same people gripe about not having enough links/sites about the victims. My website has a lot of traffic and would be a good place to post your loved ones link to their website. So far, the only one up is my family member who was murdered.

Your family member along side a sh!tload of killers webpages. How sweet. Bet you make your great-grandma proud.

You can't be so ignorant as to seriously wonder why MVS wouldn't want their website on the same one as the vicious killers webpages......could you??? If your gonna 'promote killers', just stick with that, it's obviously what you do best. You certainly are NOT a logical voice for any MVS. Please don't EVER EVER EVER try to speak for me 'as a MVS' because you just don't get it!!!!!!

[blakely]

mamabear said:

liam said:

What's sad is I've offered this to others, however, no one has sent me the websites of their loved ones, however, some of these same people gripe about not having enough links/sites about the victims. My website has a lot of traffic and would be a good place to post your loved ones link to their website. So far, the only one up is my family member who was murdered.

Your family member along side a sh!tload of killers webpages. How sweet. Bet you make your great-grandma proud.

You can't be so ignorant as to seriously wonder why MVS wouldn't want their website on the same one as the vicious killers webpages......could you??? If your gonna 'promote killers', just stick with that, it's obviously what you do best. You certainly are NOT a logical voice for any MVS. Please don't EVER EVER EVER try to speak for me 'as a MVS' because you just don't get it!!!!!!

Just a natural extension of her moral relativism: The murdered and the murderers are equal victims. Blech.

[Chi-Town's Voice]

mamabear said:

liam said:

What's sad is I've offered this to others, however, no one has sent me the websites of their loved ones, however, some of these same people gripe about not having enough links/sites about the victims. My website has a lot of traffic and would be a good place to post your loved ones link to their website. So far, the only one up is my family member who was murdered.

Your family member along side a sh!tload of killers webpages. How sweet. Bet you make your great-grandma proud.

You can't be so ignorant as to seriously wonder why MVS wouldn't want their website on the same one as the vicious killers webpages......could you??? If your gonna 'promote killers', just stick with that, it's obviously what you do best. You certainly are NOT a logical voice for any MVS. Please don't EVER EVER EVER try to speak for me 'as a MVS' because you just don't get it!!!!!!

I am an MVS so I will speak as an MVS. You can't speak for all MVS's. You and other MVSs can only speak for themselves for what they've been through.

· Murder Victims Families for Reconciliation: www.mvfr.org

· MVFR Texas: www.members.tripod.com/mvfr-texas

· Journey of Hope: www.journeyofhope.org/pages/index.htm

And the above organizations consists of MVSs wanting to abolish the death penalty. But I'm assuming they can't speak to you as MVS's either.

What everyone believe after their loved one is murdered is individual, so when you talk about MVSs in general, you are attempting to make everyone believe that all MVSs believe what you do.

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blakely said:

mamabear said:

Your family member along side a sh!tload of killers webpages. How sweet. Bet you make your great-grandma proud.

You can't be so ignorant as to seriously wonder why MVS wouldn't want their website on the same one as the vicious killers webpages......could you??? If your gonna 'promote killers', just stick with that, it's obviously what you do best. You certainly are NOT a logical voice for any MVS. Please don't EVER EVER EVER try to speak for me 'as a MVS' because you just don't get it!!!!!!

Just a natural extension of her moral relativism: The murdered and the murderers are equal victims. Blech.

Like I said, she just doesn't get it. She's better off sticking with what she knows best......killers. (not the victims)

[Chi-Town's Voice]

mamabear said:

blakely said:

Just a natural extension of her moral relativism: The murdered and the murderers are equal victims. Blech.

Like I said, she just doesn't get it. She's better off sticking with what she knows best......killers. (not the victims)

As much as I've let you know about me, you still think I don't know victims?

2 of my friends, I went to high school with, were murdered. One was shot in the back, naked in a field. The other was a drive by shooting in his own front yard.

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liam said:

mamabear said:

Your family member along side a sh!tload of killers webpages. How sweet. Bet you make your great-grandma proud.

You can't be so ignorant as to seriously wonder why MVS wouldn't want their website on the same one as the vicious killers webpages......could you??? If your gonna 'promote killers', just stick with that, it's obviously what you do best. You certainly are NOT a logical voice for any MVS. Please don't EVER EVER EVER try to speak for me 'as a MVS' because you just don't get it!!!!!!

I am an MVS so I will speak as an MVS. You can't speak for all MVS's. You and other MVSs can only speak for themselves for what they've been through.

· Murder Victims Families for Reconciliation: www.mvfr.org

· MVFR Texas: www.members.tripod.com/mvfr-texas

· Journey of Hope: www.journeyofhope.org/pages/index.htm

And the above organizations consists of MVSs wanting to abolish the death penalty. But I'm assuming they can't speak to you as MVS's either.

What everyone believe after their loved one is murdered is individual, so when you talk about MVSs in general, you are attempting to make everyone believe that all MVSs believe what you do.

I'm not so stupid as to think that EVERYONE believes as I do. All I said is 'don't attempt' to speak FOR ME as a MVS, and please don't put me in the same category as you....I'd be ashamed!! I'd be ashamed to degrade my daughters memory and her reputation by wanting her killer to have any freedom or luxuries in life. He deserves nothing less than to rot in a feces infested hell, and if you want to write, buy things for, and 'coddle' your loved ones killer...so be it. It personally makes me sick.

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liam said:

mamabear said:

Like I said, she just doesn't get it. She's better off sticking with what she knows best......killers. (not the victims)

As much as I've let you know about me, you still think I don't know victims?

2 of my friends, I went to high school with, were murdered. One was shot in the back, naked in a field. The other was a drive by shooting in his own front yard.

And, I suppose you write to their killers so that they don't feel lonely and sad??

[maxine]

liam said:

mamabear said:

Like I said, she just doesn't get it. She's better off sticking with what she knows best......killers. (not the victims)

As much as I've let you know about me, you still think I don't know victims?

2 of my friends, I went to high school with, were murdered. One was shot in the back, naked in a field. The other was a drive by shooting in his own front yard.

Can you please explain how these regrettable murders are in any way comprable to the loss of a daughter, mother, father, son, grandson or wife. I would be interested to know you view

[Chi-Town's Voice]

mamabear said:

liam said:

I am an MVS so I will speak as an MVS. You can't speak for all MVS's. You and other MVSs can only speak for themselves for what they've been through.

· Murder Victims Families for Reconciliation: www.mvfr.org

· MVFR Texas: www.members.tripod.com/mvfr-texas

· Journey of Hope: www.journeyofhope.org/pages/index.htm

And the above organizations consists of MVSs wanting to abolish the death penalty. But I'm assuming they can't speak to you as MVS's either.

What everyone believe after their loved one is murdered is individual, so when you talk about MVSs in general, you are attempting to make everyone believe that all MVSs believe what you do.

I'm not so stupid as to think that EVERYONE believes as I do. All I said is 'don't attempt' to speak FOR ME as a MVS, and please don't put me in the same category as you....I'd be ashamed!! I'd be ashamed to degrade my daughters memory and her reputation by wanting her killer to have any freedom or luxuries in life. He deserves nothing less than to rot in a feces infested hell, and if you want to write, buy things for, and 'coddle' your loved ones killer...so be it. It personally makes me sick.

I'll tell you what. So we won't be in the same category.

I'll be an ANTI-MVS and you can be a PRO-MVS. Now we are in different categories.

I'm still sorry for you're daughter. It's ashamed anyone would hurt a child. Children aren't supposed to live though such evil.

[anna_marek]

Sock it to her mamabear! One of the main reasons MVSs don't give pictures of their lost loved ones out is because they know that somewhere out there is a cruel and evilminded person, who wants to misuse these pictures by placing them next to the evildoer who murdered them. This reinforces the parasitical mindset of these murderers that their victims will be linked to them forever. How evil, perverse and insulting and cruel to the victim and his/her loved ones. Blakely is generous when he calls this moral relativism. I call it evil! This builds the 'cult of the killer' and lets potential murderers believe the parasitical lie that by murdering someone they become the focus of interest and everything revolves around them.

We wish to honor Dru Sjodin, Katie Poirier, Jessica Lunsford, Shannon McNamara, Jolene Stuedemann, Jesse Dirkhising, Jeffrey Curly and so many others!! It would be an insult to even mention their murderers in the same breath. May the murderers remain nameless, faceless and forgotten. The beautiful people above are spiritually closer to a farm laborer in China, not to mention their friends and family, than the evildoers who took their physical presence.

[Chi-Town's Voice]

mamabear said:

liam said:

As much as I've let you know about me, you still think I don't know victims?

2 of my friends, I went to high school with, were murdered. One was shot in the back, naked in a field. The other was a drive by shooting in his own front yard.

And, I suppose you write to their killers so that they don't feel lonely and sad??

hell, no I don't write them. And I sure as hell don't write G., who murdered my boyfriend. If you want to write them, go for it, but don't ask for their names and TDCJ No.'s from me. And would I list them on my site (before that becomes a question). Of course not.

I believe in punishing murderers, I just don't believe in the death penalty.

And I'm not going to punish inmates like Willis, Brown, Long, and not give "any" inmates opurtunity to have pen pals.

[Chi-Town's Voice]

maxine said:

liam said:

As much as I've let you know about me, you still think I don't know victims?

2 of my friends, I went to high school with, were murdered. One was shot in the back, naked in a field. The other was a drive by shooting in his own front yard.

Can you please explain how these regrettable murders are in any way comprable to the loss of a daughter, mother, father, son, grandson or wife. I would be interested to know you view

I lost my boyfriend which is in no way comparible to loosing a daughter.

None I mentioned is in no way compared to loosing a child, not even a husband or wife would be comparible to loosing a child. You're children are not supposed to die before you. So those who have lost husbands and wives and grandparents and great-grandparents can't compare to loosing a child.

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liam said:

mamabear said:

And, I suppose you write to their killers so that they don't feel lonely and sad??

hell, no I don't write them. And I sure as hell don't write G., who murdered my boyfriend. If you want to write them, go for it, but don't ask for their names and TDCJ No.'s from me. And would I list them on my site (before that becomes a question). Of course not.

I believe in punishing murderers, I just don't believe in the death penalty.

And I'm not going to punish inmates like Willis, Brown, Long, and not give "any" inmates opurtunity to have pen pals.

But..but...but....don't you feel sorry for 'G'? He's probably lonely, and sad, and feels unloved. Shouldn't you bring a litle sunshine into his life as you do the other killers on your mailing list?

[Chi-Town's Voice]

mamabear said:

liam said:

hell, no I don't write them. And I sure as hell don't write G., who murdered my boyfriend. If you want to write them, go for it, but don't ask for their names and TDCJ No.'s from me. And would I list them on my site (before that becomes a question). Of course not.

I believe in punishing murderers, I just don't believe in the death penalty.

And I'm not going to punish inmates like Willis, Brown, Long, and not give "any" inmates opurtunity to have pen pals.

But..but...but....don't you feel sorry for 'G'? He's probably lonely, and sad, and feels unloved. Shouldn't you bring a litle sunshine into his life as you do the other killers on your mailing list?

I'll tell you what, if you have your heart set on writing him, let me know and I'll pm you his TDCJ No.

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liam said:

mamabear said:

But..but...but....don't you feel sorry for 'G'? He's probably lonely, and sad, and feels unloved. Shouldn't you bring a litle sunshine into his life as you do the other killers on your mailing list?

I'll tell you what, if you have your heart set on writing him, let me know and I'll pm you his TDCJ No.

Sorry..........I passed on being a scumpal a long time ago. What's the matter....can't fit him into your busy schedule?

Why write a 'strange killer' when you can write to one you already know so much about? Isn't one killer as good as another...on your agenda?

[Chi-Town's Voice]

mamabear said:

liam said:

I'll tell you what, if you have your heart set on writing him, let me know and I'll pm you his TDCJ No.

Sorry..........I passed on being a scumpal a long time ago. What's the matter....can't fit him into your busy schedule?

Why write a 'strange killer' when you can write to one you already know so much about? Isn't one killer as good as another...on your agenda?

None of them are on DR.

However, even if they were, I'd be fighting for their life. I don't have to be their "friend" to not want them executed.

I pick and choose my pen pals. I choose not to write them.

Why are you so insistent that I write them being that they murdered the ones I love? I don't have anything to say to them.

You know, I get called a "hypocrit" in here and some, including you mamabear, talk about how us "antis" disrespect MVS. Well, you last statements are doing the same.

I just wanted to point that out to you.

[Deleted]

liam said:

mamabear said:

Sorry..........I passed on being a scumpal a long time ago. What's the matter....can't fit him into your busy schedule?

Why write a 'strange killer' when you can write to one you already know so much about? Isn't one killer as good as another...on your agenda?

None of them are on DR.

However, even if they were, I'd be fighting for their life. I don't have to be their "friend" to not want them executed.

I pick and choose my pen pals. I choose not to write them.

Why are you so insistent that I write them being that they murdered the ones I love? I don't have anything to say to them.

You know, I get called a "hypocrit" in here and some, including you mamabear, talk about how us "antis" disrespect MVS. Well, you last statements are doing the same.

I just wanted to point that out to you.

I'm certainly not insisting that you write to them. I hate that anyone writes to any of them!! I was just curious as to why you'd write to one killer and not another. I just wondered if you were choosey about your killers and had favorites or something.

[Chi-Town's Voice]

I'm choosy. The reason my husband and I started writing to Rich was because he was the first on our website, and we wanted to know a bit more about the conditions that we've read about already.

I will say I don't write to any child murderers.

[spur]

[Chi-Town's Voice]

And I mean no disrespect to any MVS and believe me, if Nick's family was to post in here, I would surely change my ave and screen name out of respect.

[Chi-Town's Voice]

spur said:

I'm certainly not insisting that you write to them. I hate that anyone writes to any of them!! I was just curious as to why you'd write to one killer and not another. I just wondered if you were choosey about your killers and had favorites or something.

Im sure some of it has to do with the fact she can only put money on a selected few of their books. Inmates seem to lose intereset in penpals when they dont come across with the funds to make their lifes more comfortable.

There are only 3 inmates I've sent money to. One was my husband, and we send money when we can to 2 of his old cellies.

I'm assuming that you are aware that State doesn't issue things like deoderant. They have to get that from commissary.

Plus, my husband sure would have starved on prison food. Commissary food kept him at a healthy weight.

[Eminey1]

liam said:

spur said:

Im sure some of it has to do with the fact she can only put money on a selected few of their books. Inmates seem to lose intereset in penpals when they dont come across with the funds to make their lifes more comfortable.

There are only 3 inmates I've sent money to. One was my husband, and we send money when we can to 2 of his old cellies.

I'm assuming that you are aware that State doesn't issue things like deoderant. They have to get that from commissary.

Plus, my husband sure would have starved on prison food. Commissary food kept him at a healthy weight.

There are thousands of people starving all over the world, send them your money, they are innocent.

[Chi-Town's Voice]

eminey1 said:

liam said:

There are only 3 inmates I've sent money to. One was my husband, and we send money when we can to 2 of his old cellies.

I'm assuming that you are aware that State doesn't issue things like deoderant. They have to get that from commissary.

Plus, my husband sure would have starved on prison food. Commissary food kept him at a healthy weight.

There are thousands of people starving all over the world, send them your money, they are innocent.

so is derrick brown and james long. You're going to deny them money just because they are in prison? doesn't mean they aren't innocent, well, both are.

Derrick's story is on our website if you're interested.

[Eminey1]

I am as interested at looking at sick twists as I am picking up dog mess.

You repulse me.

[spur]

[Chi-Town's Voice]

eminey1 said:

I am as interested at looking at sick twists as I am picking up dog mess.

You repulse me.

Do you actually think everyone in prison is guilty?

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liam said:

And I mean no disrespect to any MVS and believe me, if Nick's family was to post in here, I would surely change my ave and screen name out of respect.

No you wouldn't!!

If you had any respect for Nick's family, you wouldn't have chosen that in the first place! And further more.....how do you know that they didn't come in this forum and see that and leave because of the HORRIBLE reminder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[maxine]

liam said:

eminey1 said:

I am as interested at looking at sick twists as I am picking up dog mess.

You repulse me.

Do you actually think everyone in prison is guilty?

are you suggesting that no one in prison is guilty ?