our cherrished justice system

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My concerns have always been the following:
1/ the equality in the death penalty sentance.
2/ the fairness of the judicial system
3/ Socail status in the death penalty
4/ wrongfull convictions due trial missconduct
5/Possible Racism
7/ refusal for retrials after new evidence has been presented.
8/ weather in fact it does have a detirent factor.
9/ what is the real adgenda for the penalty as it seems not all first and second degree murders are the same.
10/ what constitutes a murderer recieving the penalty when others of the same crime don't.
11/ And if in fact there was a possiblilty of an innocent being executed.

After doing extensive research on the web I was vastly comming to the conclusion that the trial process , in many cases, was to blame, as it seemd more like a win at all costs situation by the Prosecution and appeared to be more of a games than a serious attempt to secure true justice. Some possibly to gain maximum convictions to secure election statbility. I came across the following sight which has comments made by Prosecutors and Judges which really made me think and confirmed much of what I have conclued.. It still does not totally change my stance on the topic but has added some serious credibilty to the anti stance. As it comes straight from the horses mouth. The other quotes sources listed on htis sight I did not pay a whole lot of attention to as bias may have crept in but the Judges and prosecutors took my interest. Their quotes must be real and unedited as it would take a brave man to alter statments of these high ranking leagal people.

people.freenet.de/dpinfo/prosecutors.htm

Check out the judges quotes too...

[Donnie]

zambo said:

My Their quotes must be real and unedited as it would take a brave man to alter statements of these high ranking leagal people.

There are no consequences to altering the quotes of high ranking legal people. So no bravery would be required, On the other hand, arrogance would come in handy, which anti-DP crusaders have in great abundance. Many of the quotes cannot be independently verified or found in context.

I am surprised that you think that your stated conclusion is supported by the lame quotations on that website. Any website that quotes Ramsey Clark is highly suspect. He has been insane for many years. The quote from Guiliani is pure dishonesty because nobody pretends or otherwise makes the utterly false claim that he is quoted as making. I hope that his quotation is false, because if it is an accurate quoteation, he is a lame brain.

Curran of Maryland is one of the most disgusting individuals alive and merely parrots the false anti-DP claims. Janet Reno burns innocent children alive and has the temerity to comment on the DP. She is right down there with Curran. The William Broaddus quotation is nothing but an incorrect personal opinion supported by nothing.

This whole pack of quotations is an exellant example of the political fallacy of a false argument from authority.

As for the quotations from the judges, the quotation from William O. Douglas is an outright verifiable lie. The rest are not much better.

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Donnie I had my doubts about you when I first started here. But I have to take my hat off to you because I have grown to repspect your posts, as You are one of very few who will attempt to try and provide information, be it right , wrong, whether I agree with it or not, is beside the point you really do try hard for a cause you so dearly support. You are one of very few that attempt to give some substance to your statements when helping the students. well done. You are one that has read the article and has had the detirmination to add your comments and views you did not give up.

Oh by the way that statement by Guiliani must be accurate as it appears on many sites many of which do not have anything to do with the death penalty.

Thankyou fro taking the time to respond

[Donnie]

zambo said:

Oh by the way that statement by Guiliani must be accurate as it appears on many sites many of which do not have anything to do with the death penalty.

Then Guiliani is a fundamentally dishonest person. However, he may have corrected that inane statement later after being told that it was utterly irrational. People speaking in public without notes often make comments that appear to be stupid or false. Please note also that there is no date or source for the Guiliani quote.

Surely you do not believe that his comment has any intellectual value. Also, the number of whining former prosecutors is tiny compared to the total number of prosecutors. The San Francisco prosecutor in her disregard for murder victims is an utter failure in prosecuting murder in San Francisco.