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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 5:54:22 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2006 5:54:22 GMT -6
Thus just makes a further mockery of american intelligence.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 7:11:40 GMT -6
Post by RickZ on Jan 30, 2006 7:11:40 GMT -6
"There are many more reasons than the one you cite for us to go into Syria. But Iran is first up. Besides, Israel's close enough, geographically, to Syria to help out."
Rick , the last thing you need is for Isreal to get involved , as I know they would love to, Thier participation will detinate a very fragile and explosive situation in the middle East . Cast you mind back to the first gulf war and all the attempts made by America to contain Isreals involvment .Even during scud attacks. Yes, I remember well the stupidity of that policy. Why should Israel have suffered rocket attacks and not responded, not retaliated? Would France? Would Germany? H*ll, would Canada? And as far as Israel's "participation detinat[ing] a very fragile and explosive situation in the middle East," the detonations have been going off inside Israel for years now thanks to the Intifada, but the world looks the other way, and instread forces a 'Road Map to Perdition' down Israel's throat. Maybe it's just time to allow the Jew hatred of 1.6 billion followers of the 'religion of peace (my @ss)' to take center stage, to have their intractability when it comes to Israel seen by one and all, although it wouldn't change a d*mn thing except for more condemnations of Israel, the only functioning democracy in the entire Middle East.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 9:42:35 GMT -6
Post by eu.ro on Jan 30, 2006 9:42:35 GMT -6
"There are many more reasons than the one you cite for us to go into Syria. But Iran is first up. Besides, Israel's close enough, geographically, to Syria to help out."
Rick , the last thing you need is for Isreal to get involved , as I know they would love to, Thier participation will detinate a very fragile and explosive situation in the middle East . Cast you mind back to the first gulf war and all the attempts made by America to contain Isreals involvment .Even during scud attacks. And as far as Israel's "participation detinat[ing] a very fragile and explosive situation in the middle East," the detonations have been going off inside Israel for years now thanks to the Intifada, but the world looks the other way, and instread forces a 'Road Map to Perdition' down Israel's throat. At first I was convinced, that this strategy was the right thing to do. Keep Israel out of the conflict to prevent a further destabilization and support the peace process. Unfortunately the Palestinians proved last week, that this peace process is not only questionable but a farce. To vote a terrorist for president, is simply slap into the face and a huge disappointment.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 10:55:47 GMT -6
Post by RickZ on Jan 30, 2006 10:55:47 GMT -6
And as far as Israel's "participation detinat[ing] a very fragile and explosive situation in the middle East," the detonations have been going off inside Israel for years now thanks to the Intifada, but the world looks the other way, and instread forces a 'Road Map to Perdition' down Israel's throat. At first I was convinced, that this strategy was the right thing to do. Keep Israel out of the conflict to prevent a further destabilization and support the peace process. Rockets = Peace process? Since when? A forked-tongue farce at that, saying soothingly one thing in English for western consumption and another more vitriolic message in Arabic. Arafat was a master at this. No offence here, but it was only a disappointment to the pie-in-the-sky fools who unfailingly and unquestioningly take terrorists at their word. Now Hamas is going to push through shari'a in the area they control. At this point, I can only hope that Hamas continues the attacks on Israel (which we all know is not that far-fetched, given the statements in the Hamas Charter), and Israel really lets loose the dogs of war, the 'international community' be d*mned. Enough of this pandering to terrorists crap, of searching for the mythical 'root causes' of terrorism, by the UN, the EU, US presidents (since and including Jimmy Carter), elected officials, and the dhimmi press. If this grotesque mockery of an election doesn't prove the stupidity of their position vis-a-vis Israel and the 'Road Map to Perdition', what will?
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 13:09:49 GMT -6
Post by Michael on Jan 30, 2006 13:09:49 GMT -6
At first I was convinced, that this strategy was the right thing to do. Keep Israel out of the conflict to prevent a further destabilization and support the peace process. Rockets = Peace process? Since when? A forked-tongue farce at that, saying soothingly one thing in English for western consumption and another more vitriolic message in Arabic. Arafat was a master at this. No offence here, but it was only a disappointment to the pie-in-the-sky fools who unfailingly and unquestioningly take terrorists at their word. Now Hamas is going to push through shari'a in the area they control. At this point, I can only hope that Hamas continues the attacks on Israel (which we all know is not that far-fetched, given the statements in the Hamas Charter), and Israel really lets loose the dogs of war, the 'international community' be d*mned. Enough of this pandering to terrorists crap, of searching for the mythical 'root causes' of terrorism, by the UN, the EU, US presidents (since and including Jimmy Carter), elected officials, and the dhimmi press. If this grotesque mockery of an election doesn't prove the stupidity of their position vis-a-vis Israel and the 'Road Map to Perdition', what will? You don´t actually deny that terrorism has root causes, do you? If Israel didn´t occupy Palestinian land, if the people didn´t live in poverty you would hardly find enthusiasm in blasting oneself amd others at a Haifa market. Let´s face it, if life is great and likeable religious fanatism has little chances. The arrogant and simple attitude that terrorism can be defeated by war is not quite intelligent and won´t work. Kill one terrorist and you have another 100 of them standing ready to fight. Kill those 100 and there will be 10000. If we don´t solve the so-called root causes terrorism will never end.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 14:13:19 GMT -6
Post by RickZ on Jan 30, 2006 14:13:19 GMT -6
Rockets = Peace process? Since when? A forked-tongue farce at that, saying soothingly one thing in English for western consumption and another more vitriolic message in Arabic. Arafat was a master at this. No offence here, but it was only a disappointment to the pie-in-the-sky fools who unfailingly and unquestioningly take terrorists at their word. Now Hamas is going to push through shari'a in the area they control. At this point, I can only hope that Hamas continues the attacks on Israel (which we all know is not that far-fetched, given the statements in the Hamas Charter), and Israel really lets loose the dogs of war, the 'international community' be d*mned. Enough of this pandering to terrorists crap, of searching for the mythical 'root causes' of terrorism, by the UN, the EU, US presidents (since and including Jimmy Carter), elected officials, and the dhimmi press. If this grotesque mockery of an election doesn't prove the stupidity of their position vis-a-vis Israel and the 'Road Map to Perdition', what will? You don´t actually deny that terrorism has root causes, do you? If Israel didn´t occupy Palestinian land, if the people didn´t live in poverty you would hardly find enthusiasm in blasting oneself amd others at a Haifa market. Let´s face it, if life is great and likeable religious fanatism has little chances. The arrogant and simple attitude that terrorism can be defeated by war is not quite intelligent and won´t work. Kill one terrorist and you have another 100 of them standing ready to fight. Kill those 100 and there will be 10000. If we don´t solve the so-called root causes terrorism will never end. Once you hit the 1.6 billion mark, you'll have your 'root cause' of terrorism.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 14:27:27 GMT -6
Post by Michael on Jan 30, 2006 14:27:27 GMT -6
You don´t actually deny that terrorism has root causes, do you? If Israel didn´t occupy Palestinian land, if the people didn´t live in poverty you would hardly find enthusiasm in blasting oneself amd others at a Haifa market. Let´s face it, if life is great and likeable religious fanatism has little chances. The arrogant and simple attitude that terrorism can be defeated by war is not quite intelligent and won´t work. Kill one terrorist and you have another 100 of them standing ready to fight. Kill those 100 and there will be 10000. If we don´t solve the so-called root causes terrorism will never end. Once you hit the 1.6 billion mark, you'll have your 'root cause' of terrorism. Oh come on... if this was a joke, it was a bad one. Don´t forget, it weren´t the muslims who invented terrorism. And though I really don´t like terrorists I have always quite admired Michael Collins. No, I am not talking about the astronaut now...
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 14:40:19 GMT -6
Post by RickZ on Jan 30, 2006 14:40:19 GMT -6
Once you hit the 1.6 billion mark, you'll have your 'root cause' of terrorism. Oh come on... if this was a joke, it was a bad one. Don´t forget, it weren´t the muslims who invented terrorism. And though I really don´t like terrorists I have always quite admired Michael Collins. No, I am not talking about the astronaut now... Of course they weren't. But they are the only 'religion' to codify terror as a tenet of faith.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 14:53:17 GMT -6
Post by Michael on Jan 30, 2006 14:53:17 GMT -6
Oh come on... if this was a joke, it was a bad one. Don´t forget, it weren´t the muslims who invented terrorism. And though I really don´t like terrorists I have always quite admired Michael Collins. No, I am not talking about the astronaut now... Of course they weren't. But they are the only 'religion' to codify terror as a tenet of faith. It´s everybody´s own stupidity if he or she takes it thus. Thankfully the Muslims I know don´t feel forced to kill me in order to satisfy the needs of their religion. Thankfully I don´t take every word of the Bible literally, or else I would have to kill my neighbour for not honouring the sabbath or their kids for not obeying their parents. It´s a question of enlightenment. Tomorrow is the Muslims New Year (if my calendar doesn´t mislead me...) and they are just about to start the year 1426. Looking back at these years in Christianity it also wasn´t what it is today. It´s strangely fascinating how history moves in circles.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 15:42:38 GMT -6
Post by josephdphillips on Jan 30, 2006 15:42:38 GMT -6
You don´t actually deny that terrorism has root causes, do you? If Israel didn´t occupy Palestinian land, if the people didn´t live in poverty you would hardly find enthusiasm in blasting oneself amd others at a Haifa market. Let´s face it, if life is great and likeable religious fanatism has little chances. The arrogant and simple attitude that terrorism can be defeated by war is not quite intelligent and won´t work. Kill one terrorist and you have another 100 of them standing ready to fight. Kill those 100 and there will be 10000. If we don´t solve the so-called root causes terrorism will never end. There are no "root causes" for terrorism, Michael, any more than there are "root causes" for murder. Terrorists are psychopaths bent on homicide, pure and simple. By your own admission, most Muslims aren't terrorists. If there were a "root cause" of terrorism, most of the world's poor would be killing innocent people. Extermination of terrorists does indeed work, and will continue to work until every last one of them is dead. If it takes 1,000 years, so be it.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 17:17:56 GMT -6
Post by Felix2 on Jan 30, 2006 17:17:56 GMT -6
You don´t actually deny that terrorism has root causes, do you? If Israel didn´t occupy Palestinian land, if the people didn´t live in poverty you would hardly find enthusiasm in blasting oneself amd others at a Haifa market. Let´s face it, if life is great and likeable religious fanatism has little chances. The arrogant and simple attitude that terrorism can be defeated by war is not quite intelligent and won´t work. Kill one terrorist and you have another 100 of them standing ready to fight. Kill those 100 and there will be 10000. If we don´t solve the so-called root causes terrorism will never end. There are no "root causes" for terrorism, Michael, any more than there are "root causes" for murder. Terrorists are psychopaths bent on homicide, pure and simple. By your own admission, most Muslims aren't terrorists. If there were a "root cause" of terrorism, most of the world's poor would be killing innocent people. Extermination of terrorists does indeed work, and will continue to work until every last one of them is dead. If it takes 1,000 years, so be it. Thus speaks the simpleton Michael. There is no cause for terrorism? LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 18:52:47 GMT -6
Post by Michael on Jan 30, 2006 18:52:47 GMT -6
You don´t actually deny that terrorism has root causes, do you? If Israel didn´t occupy Palestinian land, if the people didn´t live in poverty you would hardly find enthusiasm in blasting oneself amd others at a Haifa market. Let´s face it, if life is great and likeable religious fanatism has little chances. The arrogant and simple attitude that terrorism can be defeated by war is not quite intelligent and won´t work. Kill one terrorist and you have another 100 of them standing ready to fight. Kill those 100 and there will be 10000. If we don´t solve the so-called root causes terrorism will never end. There are no "root causes" for terrorism, Michael, any more than there are "root causes" for murder. Terrorists are psychopaths bent on homicide, pure and simple. By your own admission, most Muslims aren't terrorists. If there were a "root cause" of terrorism, most of the world's poor would be killing innocent people. Extermination of terrorists does indeed work, and will continue to work until every last one of them is dead. If it takes 1,000 years, so be it. I really can´t agree with you on that one, Joseph. One can´t compare terrorism to murder. Murder is - at least I would think so - a very selfish thing. One murders someone mainly out of own interest, the death of the other party is a "benefit" to the murderer, no one else. In terrorism there is in most cases not the individual victim, as a sort of intended target. Terrorism fights against a whole. Otherwise you wouldn´t get enough people to join. Psychopaths.... well the world consists of psychopaths... it just depends on what one defines as "normal". Terrorism is a question of definition and of historic outcome. Michael Collins, founder of the IRA, certainly wasn´t a psychopath, although the methods he used could be described as terroristic. Nevertheless he is ranked as one of the great characters in Irish history now, and even the UK would probably agree that wouldn´t be an acceptable idea to occupy Ireland now (I´m not talking about Northern Ireland, though...). The guys who tried to kill Hitler were called traitors and terrorists, nevertheless history has "acquitted" them. It´s all about history, those who win define the terms. Hitler is called a psychopath because he lost the war. I don´t dare to imagine what he would be called now, if he had won it. And believe me, poverty and ideology is a dangerous combination.
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 19:09:56 GMT -6
Post by josephdphillips on Jan 30, 2006 19:09:56 GMT -6
poverty and ideology is a dangerous combination. Yeah right. We have both poverty and ideology here and people aren't strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up women and children. There's no excuse for terrorism. It's not a legitimate way to address grievances. None of the excuses currently marketed by terrorists are legitimate. Since when did they care about Israel, or the Palestinians?
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Israel
Jan 30, 2006 19:30:41 GMT -6
Post by Michael on Jan 30, 2006 19:30:41 GMT -6
poverty and ideology is a dangerous combination. Yeah right. We have both poverty and ideology here and people aren't strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up women and children. There's no excuse for terrorism. It's not a legitimate way to address grievances. None of the excuses currently marketed by terrorists are legitimate. Since when did they care about Israel, or the Palestinians? Oh... I am certainly not defending terrorism. And finally those who are behind it are definitely not very interested in those who blow up themselves and innocent bystanders. They are more likely interested in the attention they get. (Terrorism and the media would btw be a fascinating topic to dive into. Terrorism of today clearly is a media event) They certainly don´t give a damn about the fools who strap explosives to themselves. Rick might have a point when he says that it is unique in Islam to promise 70 (or how many) virgins to those "martyrs" in paradise. Nevertheless it is still a bit unbelievable why one should believe such nonsense. Still, it is something that could be cured with some re-education. In the years of the socialist regime of the GDR we were brought up with hatred against America (though hatred might be too strong a word), at least that´s what was intended. The US were presented to us as the great enemy of humanity, of the peace-loving world. I didn´t buy it then, and I found it absurd after I had the chance to see a bit of the other side of the story after ´89. I am a bit optimistic (though I am a pessimist by nature) that similar things could be achieved in the Arab world.
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