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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2004 8:42:14 GMT -6
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When sentencing a murderer to LWOP, you should think of how much is costs taxpayers like you and me. Sure they say that the appeals process for death penalty cases are costly, but so is the appeals process for LWOP. Not only that, but consider the costs of housing a prisoner for life. On top of appeals, taxpayers are paying for the perps' food, housing, medical, AND dental care altogether. Also, with the fact that with LWOP, there are appeals, and the killer can get out and kill again. Kind of defeats the purpose. LWOP does not always means LWOP. When the prisoner is released by appeals, that's taxpayers' money down the toydie!!
I have a ? for those against the death penalty:
Do you mind spending your tax dollars on what I described above?
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Post by eu.ro on Oct 11, 2004 3:55:40 GMT -6
I don't have to, since I'm German national. Maybe you should take a closer look on arguments and statistics provided by death penalty information center. The discussion surrounding the death penalty, shouldn't be based on money only. Since we all make mistakes, there's an obvious chance to execute an innocent individual. You can try to minimize the danger, but you cannot sweep it out. Of course there's a chance to sentence someone to LWOP who isn't guilty as well. The difference? You can reverse an LWOP sentence at every time!
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Post by philosophygirl on Oct 11, 2004 7:21:47 GMT -6
I'd rather that than spend tax money on taking life. Also, it costs more to execute a person than to pay room and board for someone until their life becomes forfeit naturally, all totaled. Remember about 99.8% of those on death row (some 4,000 individuals in the US) come from the lowest socioeconomic status in the US (and that's being generous.)
"Various American state governments estimate that a single death penalty case from the point of arrest to execution averages around US$3.2 million per case. Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole averages around US$1 million."
(http://www.angelfire.com/stars/dorina/facts.html)
You do the math.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2004 14:43:38 GMT -6
I'd rather that than spend tax money on taking life. Also, it costs more to execute a person than to pay room and board for someone until their life becomes forfeit naturally, all totaled. Remember about 99.8% of those on death row (some 4,000 individuals in the US) come from the lowest socioeconomic status in the US (and that's being generous.) "Various American state governments estimate that a single death penalty case from the point of arrest to execution averages around US$3.2 million per case. Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole averages around US$1 million." (http://www.angelfire.com/stars/dorina/facts.html) You do the math. What value do we place on the victim's life? YOU do the math. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2004 20:55:10 GMT -6
I don't have to, since I'm German national. Maybe you should take a closer look on arguments and statistics provided by death penalty information center. The death penalty informatin center is biased, and if I look at the statistics, I may perish by the statistics, like those innocent people in te World Trade Center in New York.The discussion surrounding the death penalty, shouldn't be based on money only. It is "not" based on money only, but also and most importantly, justice for the deceased victims and their suffering families.Since we all make mistakes, there's an obvious chance to execute an innocent individual. That is why we have DNA testing! To prevent these mistakes. Are you now saying that a murderer or terrorist should get off easy because "wel all make mistakes"? I hope not! Please say you are not!You can try to minimize the danger, but you cannot sweep it out. Of course there's a chance to sentence someone to LWOP who isn't guilty as well. There is also a chance to sentence someon to LOWP who is guilty as sin such as Jefferey Dahmer! It happened, you know. There is also the chance that you can sentence someone guilty to LWOP, and they appeal that sentence, get out of prison, then kill again. It happens more than you think! That scares me!The difference? You can reverse an LWOP sentence at every time!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2004 21:04:39 GMT -6
I'd rather that than spend tax money on taking life. Really? Even if the perpretrator killed your own daugher, mother, family, etc.? What about Bin Laden, do you think he should be executed, or should that terrorist who ripped the fabric of American and foreign families combined should get off easy? Also, it costs more to execute a person than to pay room and board for someone until their life becomes forfeit naturally, all totaled. Remember about 99.8% of those on death row (some 4,000 individuals in the US) come from the lowest socioeconomic status in the US (and that's being generous.) I don't buy that. Al Capone, one of the major rich mafia guys got the death penalty!
"Various American state governments estimate that a single death penalty case from the point of arrest to execution averages around US$3.2 million per case. Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole averages around US$1 million." But does that include the life sentence itself, or medical care, surgery, and dental care put together. That is more expensive than the noose, gas, drugs, and electricity(http://www.angelfire.com/stars/dorina/facts.html) You do the math. |
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Post by eu.ro on Oct 12, 2004 4:36:59 GMT -6
We are all biased somehow. The Death Penalty Information Center publishes statistics provided by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Are they extremly biased too?
WTC? Death penalty? Are you ok?
DNA testing is a good thing. It has been helping a lot. Unfortunately there is no useable DNA in every murder case.
As far as I know there's also a chance to appeal a sentence of death, isn't it?
Al Capone got the death penalty? Hmmm, maybe you should read your history books much more carefuly .....
Medical care, surgery and dental care for about 2.2 million US dollars? You should get your head examined Lady Leah!
Waste of time, since you don't know the basics.
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Post by Thomas on Oct 12, 2004 10:30:33 GMT -6
Why does the hug a thug crowd always spout “Life Without Parole” as the ultimate answer? Where does this come from? Experience? For instance, eurostar: how many years have you worked in a prison with psychopath killers? I have done it for twenty-one years. I know a little about what I am speaking of.
When you sentence a cold-blooded killer to prison, you just may be sentencing someone else’s father, mother, brother, sister, son, or daughter to death. Their only crime however, is working and trying to earn a living, or, being another inmate. The psychopath killer will kill again. The only question is who will die. Below is just one of hundreds of examples that happen every year in this country.
Several years ago, a young man in Nevada became known as the "show and tell" murderer because he lured a gay man into the desert, killed him and then for weeks brought as many people as he could to show them the body. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole. This is the anti death penalty solution is it not?
A few years later the same inmate brutally killed a fellow inmate. He received another sentence of life without parole. This time the problem was really solved, right?
He was transferred to Utah under interstate compact. In our prison, he killed another inmate, this time stabbing him sixty five times in the face, head, neck and torso. Do you have any idea of the horror of something like that? I do. The victim inmate was in full restraints and had no chance of defending himself. The murderer planned his attack for months, perhaps years, just waiting for an opportunity to strike. This inmate now sits on death row in Utah for that murder. He has planned and attempted to carry out the killing of a staff member at the prison, although we were lucky enough to stop the plot in the nick of time, and has vowed to kill again before he is executed just to prove he can. He will be on death row for some years to come, so he just may get his chance.
The moral of the story is that for psychopath murderers, the killing does not stop with life in prison. It merely changes the victim pool. If this inmate had of been timely executed for his first murder, two other fellow human beings would still be alive today. True?
In addition, there is no such thing as an escape proof prison. Every prison in the world occasionally experiences an escape, even the most secure ones. Just a few years ago seven inmates, most of them convicted murderers sentenced to “life in prison,” escaped from a maximum-security prison in Texas and within days had killed a police officer. The killing doesn’t stop with a prison sentence.
The timely, (key word), application of the death penalty for vicious murderers will save innocent lives. It is an absolute truth that an executed murderer will never kill again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2004 19:20:40 GMT -6
We are all biased somehow. The Death Penalty Information Center publishes statistics provided by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Are they extremly biased too? WTC? Death penalty? Are you ok? Of course we are all biased. It is better to side with the victim and give them the full justice they need, than care more for the criminal. That is why LWOP does! I did bring up the world trade center, because of all of those who perished at the hands of a crew of terrorists. Bin Laden and all memebers of Al Quaida should fry!!
Are you so anti-dp, that you care more about Bin Laden, Timothy McVeigh, Jeffrey Dahmer, then their victims?DNA testing is a good thing. It has been helping a lot. Unfortunately there is no useable DNA in every murder case. True!As far as I know there's also a chance to appeal a sentence of death, isn't it? Yes, but in almost all cases, the perp "is" the murderer that everyone fears, and they run out completely. Appeals for death penalty cases absolutely need to be shortened! Giving a serial killer the privelege of breathing, eating, listening to music, watching TV, exercising for seven years before the Grim Reaper is "much" too long. With appeals for LWOP, the sentence gets reduced many times, and before you know it, that murderer is loose doing more murders, and law enforcement has to scramble! Al Capone got the death penalty? Hmmm, maybe you should read your history books much more carefuly ..... Al Capone is another one who should get the death penalty, but who I meant was poor little "rich" high powered attorney and murderer Thomas Capano!
If you don't believe me, check this out!
www.crimelibrary.com/classics5/capano/
and www.courttv.com/trials/capano/031699_ctv.html
No, the death penalty does not only punish the poor!! The purpose of the death penalty is to punish murderers, not the poor.Medical care, surgery and dental care for about 2.2 million US dollars? You should get your head examined Lady Leah! 2.2 million US Dollars, is a lot of money comming out of hard earning taxpayers each year. I bet you it costs much more than that to house LWOP inmates, including what I described above. You also have to consider geriatric prisons and care.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2004 19:25:59 GMT -6
Why does the hug a thug crowd always spout “Life Without Parole” as the ultimate answer? Where does this come from? Experience? For instance, eurostar: how many years have you worked in a prison with psychopath killers? I have done it for twenty-one years. I know a little about what I am speaking of. When you sentence a cold-blooded killer to prison, you just may be sentencing someone else’s father, mother, brother, sister, son, or daughter to death. Their only crime however, is working and trying to earn a living, or, being another inmate. The psychopath killer will kill again. The only question is who will die. Below is just one of hundreds of examples that happen every year in this country. Several years ago, a young man in Nevada became known as the "show and tell" murderer because he lured a gay man into the desert, killed him and then for weeks brought as many people as he could to show them the body. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole. This is the anti death penalty solution is it not? A few years later the same inmate brutally killed a fellow inmate. He received another sentence of life without parole. This time the problem was really solved, right? He was transferred to Utah under interstate compact. In our prison, he killed another inmate, this time stabbing him sixty five times in the face, head, neck and torso. Do you have any idea of the horror of something like that? I do. The victim inmate was in full restraints and had no chance of defending himself. The murderer planned his attack for months, perhaps years, just waiting for an opportunity to strike. This inmate now sits on death row in Utah for that murder. He has planned and attempted to carry out the killing of a staff member at the prison, although we were lucky enough to stop the plot in the nick of time, and has vowed to kill again before he is executed just to prove he can. He will be on death row for some years to come, so he just may get his chance. The moral of the story is that for psychopath murderers, the killing does not stop with life in prison. It merely changes the victim pool. If this inmate had of been timely executed for his first murder, two other fellow human beings would still be alive today. True? In addition, there is no such thing as an escape proof prison. Every prison in the world occasionally experiences an escape, even the most secure ones. Just a few years ago seven inmates, most of them convicted murderers sentenced to “life in prison,” escaped from a maximum-security prison in Texas and within days had killed a police officer. The killing doesn’t stop with a prison sentence. The timely, (key word), application of the death penalty for vicious murderers will save innocent lives. It is an absolute truth that an executed murderer will never kill again.
I am curious, you said you work in a prison, or work with inmates. What exactly do you do? How many murderers, rapists do you deal with in a given day on your job? I should know this by now with my imagination, but what extent of trouble have they caused you in your tenure? (I should know this, but sorry, I had to ask)
About that "Show and Tell Killer," he should have received the death penalty and been executed a long time ago! Nevada has the death penalty and the resources, why didn't Nevada use it?
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Post by Donnie on Oct 12, 2004 22:30:52 GMT -6
Remember about 99.8% of those on death row (some 4,000 individuals in the US) come from the lowest socioeconomic status in the US (and that's being generous.) No, that is being really, really dishonest. But that is consistent with the website you used, on which almost every "fact" is either false or misleading. |
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Post by Donnie on Oct 12, 2004 22:40:12 GMT -6
The Death Penalty Information Center publishes statistics provided by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Are they extremly biased too? No, the statistics are not biased. However, the way the DP Information Corruptor uses the statistics is dishonest. |
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Post by Macklin on Oct 12, 2004 23:12:03 GMT -6
Philosophygirl....
Al Capone only went to prison for tax evasion....he had Syphillis a sexually transmitted disease. Which destroyed his mind, and nervous system.
The syphilis that he had contracted as a very young man was moving into the tertiary stage called neurosyphilis. By 1938, he was confused and disoriented.
Al spent the last year of his sentence, which had been reduced to six years and five months for a combination of good behavior and work credits, in the hospital section being treated for syphilis. He was released in November of 1939. Mae took him to a hospital in Baltimore where he was treated until March of 1940.
For his remaining years, Al slowly deteriorated in the quiet splendor of his Palm Island palace. Mae stuck by him until January 25, 1947 when he died of cardiac arrest at age 48, his grieving family surrounding him.
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Post by eu.ro on Oct 15, 2004 13:02:45 GMT -6
No, the statistics are not biased. However, the way the DP Information Corruptor uses the statistics is dishonest. Since you don't like what the statistics clearly show? |
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Post by PK on Oct 16, 2004 1:10:45 GMT -6
philosophygirl, It's not us spending your money on DR inmates, blame it on the people that murder. The cost to society can't be compared to the cost to the victims. Why do you feel sorry for them? I don't understand why you talk about being fair, when their victims are in graves. May'be you can explain that to me. What exactly do you want to happen to murderers? How much prison space can we continue to build? One in every 32 adults in the USA is an inmate now....not all murderers, but how many can we house and continue to give LWOP, when it fact, LWOP often means they will be right back on the streets, murdering again. Can you see why two thirds of the adult population don't want them back in society AND supports the DP? Homicides committed by younger offenders are more likely to involve multiple offenders In 2002 homicides involving multiple offenders represented -- 34% of the homicides committed by offenders 14-17 years old 27% of the homicides committed by offenders 18-24 years old 12% of the homicides committed by offenders age 25 or older www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/multiple.htmPlease read up on it, and see where your tax $$$ end up. People don't want juveniles to have the DP, and just look at the stats on them. They know they can get away with it, and they continue to murder. Look how many "kids" murder more than once. Read all the pages on that site and look at the victims ages.  While you plead their cases on the net, one of them may very well be stalking you...what if you're their next victim, or someone you love? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2004 20:14:57 GMT -6
Since you don't like what the statistics clearly show?
Also, with the death penalty, you don't have to worry about housing a "lifer" more less thousands for 75 plus years or wasting money on them.
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Post by eu.ro on Oct 19, 2004 6:22:22 GMT -6
Oh, the PROs prayer wheel is back again. Yes, they can't kill again. Unfortunately you can't raise an innocent person from the dead. We've had this discussion a few days ago. I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Please go there and have a look. You can't blame anyone who supports LWOP for the fact, that prisoners will might be released in a couple of years. First of all it's necessary to implement proper laws and if they will change one day, it must have been through a democratic decision. So what? Yes, I am! That's not because I love them so much, it's just because I think that every human life is precious and we all don't have the right to kill. Hitler was a barbarous monster, so were Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot, no doubt about that. Who will profit from the upcoming execution of Saddam Hussein? If that is ok, for what reason I should teach my little son, that revenge unnecessarily induces more violence? You can only proof to be a better person, if you are strong enough to leave the cycle of brutality and murder. |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 19, 2004 16:52:52 GMT -6
Leah,
I have had a number of assignments over the years including supervision of a super-max unit that includes death row. I am an administrator now and am involved in policy development and decision-making. I have reviewed and rewritten our execution policy four times. In the last five years, I have been the Warden's assistant in the planning and preparation for four executions. All four were stayed prior to the execution date. Before that, I had assignments in five executions dating from the late eighties through nineties. I have supervised several housing units as a Lieutenant and Captain. I served as a Shift Commander for three years where, when on duty, I was the administrator in charge of a 3500-inmate complex that included maximum security and death row. I spent four and ½ years in the transportation unit, the majority of the time transporting inmates to court for new crimes, many of them murders. I could go on, but I won’t.
The comments I make here are not an official position of my department or any part of it. In fact, the official position of my department is neutral. We take no position. We merely carry out the lawful orders of the courts. What I write of is my personal belief, shaped by years of working with inmates.
As to what trouble they have caused during my tenure; the plot to kill a staff member was discovered by one of my officers when I was the lieutenant over death row. I spent a straight 72 hours at the instutition investigating and resolving the situation. I have spent countless hours in pursuit of escaped convicts over the years. Off the top of my head, I recall that at least five of them were murderers sentenced to life in prison. Another murderer attempted escaped while being transported to court, by having his girlfriend slip him a gun. He tried to shoot our transport officer, but the gun misfired, lucky for the officer, who was a good friend of mine. He then shot a bailiff. He survived. He then, execution style, shot an attorney in the head. He did not survive.
Myself and another officer caught two murderers escaping in a snowstorm one night. These two had burned a man alive in his bed because he was gay and had received life sentences. They had penetrated all security systems and were at the last fence when we caught them. If they had been successful, someone would have died soon. They were armed during the escape attempt and talking to them later, they admitted they were prepared to kill staff if needed. The only thing that stopped them from attacking us was my police service dog.
A man who killed his wife for insurance money spent years spreading his feces on the walls of his cell and urinating all over it every day in a willful attempt to get himself committed to the state hospital. The inmate believed that he would live better there. I had to send my staff in his cell every day to wash it out. Staff members are assaulted and "slimed" (having a mixture of urine and feces thrown on you) all too often.
These are but a few personal examples. I could give you many more. For me it boils down to this: The death penalty will ensure that the executed person will never harm a friend, colleague, subordinate or any member of the public, including those opposed to the death penalty. Life in prison gives them ample opportunity to continue victimizing people.
As to the person who calls herself “philosophygirl” I am curious. Would I be correct in assuming that you personally know someone who has been or may be sentenced to death? That would explain a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2004 17:40:58 GMT -6
Oh, the PROs prayer wheel is back again. Yes, they can't kill again. Unfortunately you can't raise an innocent person from the dead. We've had this discussion a few days ago. I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Please go there and have a look. Then name someone who we executed who was innocent!!!You can't blame anyone who supports LWOP for the fact, that prisoners will might be released in a couple of years. First of all it's necessary to implement proper laws and if they will change one day, it must have been through a democratic decision. So what? Murderers should "not" be released. To do so is just plain careless, because they will kill again. Why don't you read Thomas's post below. You may understand more about what I am talking about. He works in the penal system and has seen it "all"!Yes, I am! That's not because I love them so much, it's just because I think that every human life is precious and we all don't have the right to kill. Hitler was a barbarous monster, so were Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot, no doubt about that. Who will profit from the upcoming execution of Saddam Hussein? If that is ok, for what reason I should teach my little son, that revenge unnecessarily induces more violence? You can only proof to be a better person, if you are strong enough to leave the cycle of brutality and murder. |
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Post by Rachel on Oct 20, 2004 3:28:32 GMT -6
Hello, just wanted to clarify a few things for those wondering--or not...
When a person recieves the death penalty they recieve automatic appeals.
Court time the most esxpensive part in putting someone to death. President Clinton sign a bill to make the process faster in extreme crimes (the only good thing he did).
And no the death penalty has not been much a detterence but the again maybe they wont be able to hurt and kill more people.
Deep down, well actually not far below the surface, the prisions are as screwed up and corrupt as the ghetto at midnight, but there has to be something done. If all your parents did was lecture you as a child no matter what you did what did it matter how bad you were if it was all the same punishment?
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Post by Donnie on Oct 20, 2004 5:21:53 GMT -6
Hello, just wanted to clarify a few things for those wondering--or not... When a person recieves the death penalty they recieve automatic appeals. Court time the most esxpensive part in putting someone to death. President Clinton sign a bill to make the process faster in extreme crimes (the only good thing he did). And no the death penalty has not been much a detterence but the again maybe they wont be able to hurt and kill more people. Deep down, well actually not far below the surface, the prisions are as screwed up and corrupt as the ghetto at midnight, but there has to be something done. If all your parents did was lecture you as a child no matter what you did what did it matter how bad you were if it was all the same punishment? While the death penalty may not be much of a deterrent, it is still an important deterrent. It is important because saving a few innocent lives each year is important. There is no doubt that the deterrent effect of the death penalty does that. For example, if the DP were 99 percent ineffective as a deterrent, that would mean that about 150 innocent victims would be saved each year and 150 other people would not have the crime of murder on their hands. That deterrent effect has no cost because the cost of the DP is the cost of the pursuit of justice. Also, if the DP were to be abolished, most of the anti-DP "do-gooders" would simply shift societies resourses to freeing other murderers, including those sentenced to LWOP. That would include demanding the elimination of LWOP as has already happened in many countries and is happening today in Michigan. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2004 18:45:42 GMT -6
While the death penalty may not be much of a deterrent, it is still an important deterrent. It is important because saving a few innocent lives each year is important. There is no doubt that the deterrent effect of the death penalty does that. For example, if the DP were 99 percent ineffective as a deterrent, that would mean that about 150 innocent victims would be saved each year and 150 other people would not have the crime of murder on their hands. That deterrent effect has no cost because the cost of the DP is the cost of the pursuit of justice. Also, if the DP were to be abolished, most of the anti-DP "do-gooders" would simply shift societies resourses to freeing other murderers, including those sentenced to LWOP. That would include demanding the elimination of LWOP as has already happened in many countries and is happening today in Michigan. Good point Donnie. I am not surprised that the abolition movement is also now looking to abolish LWOP. After that, then what is comming next? I don't even want to know! |
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Post by eu.ro on Oct 21, 2004 3:39:58 GMT -6
Well, you can post this crap as often as you want to. To spare someones life doesn't automatically mean to spare him from any other kind of punishment. Donnie, I'm an ANTI, but I don't want to see murderers walking down the streets. That's ridiculous. And, hey, what about this "calculation"? That's simply one of the world's most bloodcurling and most unsophisticated assessments of the situation, I've heard for a very long time! By the way, you should use the executed offenders / victims - statistics of 2001 for your further flashes of genius. A little hint: Timothy McVeigh  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2004 1:08:49 GMT -6
Well, you can post this crap as often as you want to. To spare someones life doesn't automatically mean to spare him from any other kind of punishment. Donnie, I'm an ANTI, but I don't want to see murderers walking down the streets. That's ridiculous. And, hey, what about this "calculation"? That's simply one of the world's most bloodcurling and most unsophisticated assessments of the situation, I've heard for a very long time! By the way, you should use the executed offenders / victims - statistics of 2001 for your further flashes of genius. A little hint: Timothy McVeigh But they will "walk the streets" again when they escape from prison. This happens on numerous occasions. It is even not unheard of in the best secured prisons. |
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Post by eu.ro on Oct 22, 2004 3:52:24 GMT -6
Well, it's also possible that a death row inmate escapes. As far as I know, escapes form death row don't appear that often, do they? So, if it's possible to make sure that condemned felons on death row remain where they are, why is it impossible to do the same with LWOP candidates?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2004 9:02:35 GMT -6
Well, it's also possible that a death row inmate escapes. As far as I know, escapes form death row don't appear that often, do they? So, if it's possible to make sure that condemned felons on death row remain where they are, why is it impossible to do the same with LWOP candidates? No escapees from death row hardly ever appear. However, with LWOP or life sentences, the inmate is incarcerated much longer than a death row inmate and obviously has more time to plan on escaping. Lifers are also housed in a less secure area of the penal institution than death row inmates and have a bigger chance to escape. |
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Post by eu.ro on Oct 22, 2004 11:26:43 GMT -6
Well, lifers are currently housed in a lower security prison, that's right. If LWOP would become the sole punishment for 1st degree murder, this would change in a minute.
Please tell me how many felons have escaped from death row since the 1970s. Ahaaa, do you know what I mean?
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Post by Deathstar on Oct 22, 2004 23:25:14 GMT -6
Oh, the PROs prayer wheel is back again. Yes, they can't kill again. Unfortunately you can't raise an innocent person from the dead. We've had this discussion a few days ago. I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Please go there and have a look. Correct, an innocent murder victim cannot be raised from the dead. Or in the case of the convicted and released Texas murderer Juan Garza, 11 innocent people. This post of yours reveals that the killing of innocent people is of no concern to you. Hundreds of innocent people have been killed by murderers that were not killed when they should have been. Yet during that same period not one innocent person was executed. You are perfectly happy to trade hundreds of innocent real lives for one theoretical innocent life. You are a monster. |
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Post by RickZ on Oct 23, 2004 7:54:44 GMT -6
Well, lifers are currently housed in a lower security prison, that's right. If LWOP would become the sole punishment for 1st degree murder, this would change in a minute. . . . . . . And be challenged in the courts every step of the way, as is being done now. Without death penalty cases drawing away resources, a much more concerted legal effort would be pursued in order to challenge the very incarceration you concede to be appropriate for these monsters. -------------- Deathstar, Very well said. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2004 8:09:56 GMT -6
And if LWOP became the sole punishment, then soon they may also call that barbaric, and push for shorter sentencing times such as 25 years.
I say keep the death penalty.
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