MORE STATES LIKE VERMONT...

[oldsparky]

The word mornic is minor compared to your terms that you use quite often. Curious may have used moronic once or twice maybe. Nothing compared to you,

Nice try.

P.S. Grow up!

Hi, Leah!

My plan's working. I'm leaving Euro-Boy to his own devices. As you can see from his last round of posts he's digging his own grave here and showing the entire world how pathetic he is. Take a look at what a radical liberal is and what they really stand for and how much they 'love everybody' - especially the ones that disagree with their fascist agenda.

- Sparks

[oldsparky]

Sparks-

Please stop blaming all liberals. I own a Glock 17 and I feel that innocent people should be allowed to have firearms. My state just began concealed carry and I haven't decided if it is worth it yet.

Good points, CM,

Actually, I'm not sure that I blame liberals - if liberalism is defined as a genuine care for the wellfare of others, the environment and building a better tomorrow. The problem is with liberals and guns that there is an agenda behind their efforts to remove guns from socitey in order to give big government a strongarm over the populus (it's an American thing, I guess - but our founding fathers realized the inherit value of it and so do I). WRT to concealed carry, in my mind it falls along with medicine and survival in that it is better to have and not need than need and not have.

You can't tell me that you wouldn't at least say that felons should not have guns.

I think we can all agree on that. But liberal democrat sponsored legislation on guns only hurts those who posess them legally and not criminals.

Automatic rifles, like those used in the North Hollywood bank shootout, show what can happen when people get there hands on them. Teflon coated, "cop-killer," bullets also serve no purpose other than to defeat the vests worn by police. Where do you draw the line? How about explosives, grenade launchers, etc.? There have to be some limits.

I'll break this down into 3 answers.
A) The automatic rifles that the bank robbers used in that shootout WERE ALREADY outlawed in California for eight years prior to the incident - and it didn't stop them. The robbers went one step further and illegally modified the firing mechanisms to make them machine guns.

B) A primer on body armor: There is no such thing as a "bullet proof" vest - only levels of protection. NIJ standard are that class I-IIIA protect against blunt tipped ammunition (pistol, subgun and shotshell). They are flexible and usually made from multiple ply Kevlar or carbon fiber composites. Classes III and IV are hard plates fitted to the flexible body armor and can stop rifle rounds - but they cannot stop ALL types of rifle rounds. Therefore ANY kind of ammunition can be considered armor piercing to one degree or another. Class IIIA is the best type of soft body armor available on the market today, but most police departments only issue their officers Class II armor for some reason. Finally the story about Teflon coated bullets being able to penetrate appropriately rated body armor is a myth; some bullets are teflon coated to increase barrel life, not pierce armor. These stories are faily typical of what the left flames and runs with w/o credible facts in an attempt to again limit gun ownership.

C) The Supreme Court Case US v Miller ruling on the National Firearms act, implied that citizens of the US may own weapons considered to be regular issue to land armies. This could include assault rifles and machine guns, but prohibits such things as VX gas and nuclear weapons, as these are not regular issue.

If anyone here is looking for a quality handgun, check out Glock. They are well balanced, light, simple to care for, and very reliable.

As a proud owner of 2 Glocks, I agree. Have a brewsky on me!

- Sparks

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Eurostar said:

Well Leah, of course you are angry about me and curios is a saint. If I would complain and respond to every attack, every subliminal aggression and every nasty term you guys address to me, I could quit doing anything else. It's one thing to be a supporter of the death penalty and a completely different thing to be fanatic death penalty redneck. So, please spare me with further sanctimonious advices.

Maybe you should have a closer look on old$hities avatar. That's obscene, birdbrained and simple-minded! Let me hear you complaining about that!

By the way, were just talking about gun control. So, if you have no arguments concerning the response to old$hities post, leave me alone with your adolescent problems.

Eurostar

p.s.:
Hahaha, how old are you? I'm 31, is that old enough for you?

OOOOHHHHHH Thorsten! Look's like I just hit a "nerve"! ;D ;D

I did and intervened. It was right here. I would think with you being a "Mathmetician," you would remember. It was the "Old Sparky to old sparky thread." Nevertheless, here was the link:

prodp.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=Chat&action=display&thread=1098866025

Now do you get it?

Leah,

"The Fanatical Death Penalty Redneck"

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oldsparky said:

Hi, Leah!

My plan's working. I'm leaving Euro-Boy to his own devices. As you can see from his last round of posts he's digging his own grave here and showing the entire world how pathetic he is. Take a look at what a radical liberal is and what they really stand for and how much they 'love everybody' - especially the ones that disagree with their fascist agenda.

- Sparks

They say whatever you send out, you get back times three!

I can't blame and judge all liberals either, many don't believe in denying justice to the victims. I consider myself a "Moderate." Probably more liberal than you.

Yep, looks like Eurostar is digging his own grave!!

[oldsparky]

Leah said:

Hi Sparks,

I myself own pepper spray. Where I am from we don't have the right to carry law, but pepper spray is better than nothing. Yes carrying a concealed weopon can save your life and only costs taxpayers the price of their purchases. However, what if someone broke in, stole your gun, then decided to kill you with your own weopon?

Leah

Leah,

There is a risk of that, no doubt. However I have a number of counters against that.

My guns in storage in my house are hidden away with the actions locked out; I will soon be getting a safe for their holding. For guns being used for self defense, these are loaded with a round in the chamber. I keep these loaded weapons in a Imprint Lockbox. It's a small safe about the size of a shoebox that has a quick release lid on it. The lid is controlled by a touchpad that can recognize fingerprints. Just push your index finger against the sensor and the box opens. As no two fingerprints are identical, this eliminates unauthorized use. And I can go from unarmed to equipped with a Glock and 40 rounds of ammunition in about 4 seconds any time I need it.

- Sparks

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oldsparky said:

Leah,

There is a risk of that, no doubt. However I have a number of counters against that.

My guns in storage in my house are hidden away with the actions locked out; I will soon be getting a safe for their holding. For guns being used for self defense, these are loaded with a round in the chamber. I keep these loaded weapons in a Imprint Lockbox. It's a small safe about the size of a shoebox that has a quick release lid on it. The lid is controlled by a touchpad that can recognize fingerprints. Just push your index finger against the sensor and the box opens. As no two fingerprints are identical, this eliminates unauthorized use. And I can go from unarmed to equipped with a Glock and 40 rounds of ammunition in about 4 seconds any time I need it.

- Sparks

Hi Sparks:

Although highly unlikely, until you get your larger safe for your arms, what if someone steals your shoe box safe before you can activate it? Right to carry does provide protection, but unfortunately, doesn't make calling 911 completely obsolete.

I know that no individual has the same fingerprints, but what if someone uses a different finger than the index finger who may break in your safe and it contains the same print as your index finger?

There are nine different patterns of finger prints.

www.xs4all.nl/~dacty/patterns.htm

What if another identical finger print pattern is on the "index" finger only of another individual, but not the whole two hands? Eventhough I know it is true that no two people have the same exact sets of finger prints. I wonder though about two or more people having the same finger prints on an individual finger!

The whole idea of finger prints fascinates me and would be interested to learn more.

Leah

[oldsparky]

Leah said:

Hi Sparks:

Although highly unlikely, until you get your larger safe for your arms, what if someone steals your shoe box safe before you can activate it? Right to carry does provide protection, but unfortunately, doesn't make calling 911 completely obsolete.

I know that no individual has the same fingerprints, but what if someone uses a different finger than the index finger who may break in your safe and it contains the same print as your index finger?

There are nine different patterns of finger prints.

www.xs4all.nl/~dacty/patterns.htm

What if another identical finger print pattern is on the "index" finger only of another individual, but not the whole two hands? Eventhough I know it is true that no two people have the same exact sets of finger prints. I wonder though about two or more people having the same finger prints on an individual finger!

The whole idea of finger prints fascinates me and would be interested to learn more.

Leah

The box is bolted down to a large piece of furniture, and it's in a concealed, but accessible, location, so making off with it quickly would be diffucult, indeed.

Although there are nine different fundamental patterns for fingerprints, there are subtle differences between them from person to person, even with the same pattern. The box's onboard computer can recognize whether a fingerprint matches on of up to 16 different fingerprints stored in its memory. To this day, there has not been found 2 matching fingerprints from two different people. The probability that someone out there has the same index fingerprint as I do is virtually impossible.

If I have a break-in, I will call 911 as a rule - the authorities need to know what's going on here. However it will take a police officer 3-20 mins to arrive on the scene and in a life or death situation, the whole thing could be over in 20 seconds. Until there's an officer on scene, I control the situation and will use whatever means I see fit to to control an aggressor.

- Sparks

[Thomas]

Leah,

Since fingerprinting was first used as an investigative tool, there has never been an instance where two people have been found to have the same fingerprints.

Where I live, you can get a concealed carry permit by taking a firearms course. This law was put into effect about ten years ago.

Since then, there have been only a few cases where the permitted concealed weapon was used unlawfully, and there has never been a case where a lawfully concealed weapon has been used for an unlawful assault.

I have been a firearms instructor since 1986. In my experience, the more a law abiding person knows about firearms, the safer that person is when handling them. I have taught all my children how to safely handle firearms. I have no fear that they will ever misuse them.

By the way, I see our young, (I still have my money on the bet that he lives with one or both parents), friend Euro-unknown is active on this issue as well.

[Deathstar]

Gun control pays off only for criminals. Gun control does not work to decrease any murder rate. The easiest example to show this is to look at Vermont and Washington DC.

Vermont once had a State Supreme Court that could read its state Constitution. When a gun control law was challanged, the state Supreme Court pointed out that the right to keep and bear arms was protected by the Vermont state Constitution. As a result, there are no gun control laws in Vermont. If you have the money to pay for a gun, you can buy one. There are no permit requirements, no age requirements and no training requirements. So based on the Salem Jones theory on gun control, Vermont should have the highest murder rate in the US, perhaps the world.

On the other hand, we have Washington DC. It has about the same population as Vermont. It has among the strongest gun control laws in the world. A person who lives in Washington DC cannot have a handgun in his home without a permit and no permits are issued to regular people. Neither can a regular person have a long gun (rifle or shotgun) in his home unless it is disassembled sufficiently so that it cannot be fired. So based on the Salem Jones theory of gun control, Washington DC, should have the lowest murder rate in the US, perhaps the world.

But what is the reality? Vermont has one of the lowest murder rates in the US, it varies between less than one and 3 from year to year. Washington DC, on the other hand has one of the highest murder rates in the US, it varies from 40 to 90 from year to year.

Salem said:

Gun control is the single most efficient way to dramatically decrease the murder rate in the US. It is easy, it is free, and it pays off.

[Deathstar]

Yes, here in America, we allow dimwits like Solarz to blather in Congress. With the gun supply increasing by 2 million a year, according to dimwit-theory, the murder rate should be increasing. But it isn't, it is decreasing, proving, once again, that More Guns = Less Crime

What dimwit Solarz forgot to mention is that when people use guns defensively they seldom kill the criminal. Ususally just showing the gun is sufficent to deter the criminal. That is why, with more than 2,000,000 defensive gun uses each year, there are only 215 criminals killed.

Eurostar said:

"There are approximately 66.7 million handguns in circulation in the United States, and the supply is increasing by 2 million handguns each year. "

Source: Solarz, Stephen J., Rep.-N.Y. Protecting Our Communities from Handgun Violence. Congressional Record (Daily Edition) E2492-2493.

Have a nice day, loser ...

[Thomas]

Eurofadingstar said:

Oldsparky wrote:

"The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control."

Eurodud wrote:

You are still unhappy about the fact, that the South didn't win, aren't you?

Your knowledge about American history is as underwhelming as your knowledge about crime and punishment.

[eu.ro]

Well, my lack of knowledge results from the fact, that German universities don't have any skillls. Therefore mathematicians and computer scientist don't have the skills you guys have to offer. Not at all! Especially Leah and Thomas are miles above my educational background.

Since we don't read newspapers, don't have television or computers, there's no chance to become a member of the well-educated and extremely important American master race. As you found out many times before, Europeans should be glad to get eatables from people like old$hity or all the other lovely people.

All I have to offer is ingratitude and mockery. Shame on me!

p.s.:
My message in a bottle reached American soil somehow.

[oldsparky]

Well, my lack of knowledge results from the fact, that German universities don't have any skillls. Therefore mathematicians and computer scientist don't have the skills you guys have to offer. Not at all! Especially Leah and Thomas are miles above my educational background.

Thorsten, Thosrten, Thorsten............what are we gonna do with you? More attack! attack! attack! Is there anything else you can offer besides hissie fits, insults and making smug comments about about how 'superior' you think you are to Americans?

If you're truly representative of the average German youth the Universities there turn out, I truly pity the EU's future. It'll degenerate into a morass of brueaucracy and civil war within 50 years!

Since we don't read newspapers, don't have television or computers, there's no chance to become a member of the well-educated and extremely important American master race. As you found out many times before, Europeans should be glad to get eatables from people like old$hity or all the other lovely people.

WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Thorsten can't have his way!!!! I can hear the violin playing some self pity tune already!


I know, Thorsten. How about this. Why don't you come to the table here and answer some of the critiques that people post to your posts in a respectful manner instead of slinging mud and sh*t at other people for diagreeing with you. No one here decided that you were a jack@ss from the start. You did that to yourself!

Get your not-so-secret agenda out on the table: You hate Bush for whatever reason, you're jealous of the United States for whatever reason and you don't like the war in Iraq. Big deal! Incidentally I can't stand Schroeder or Shiraq for what they did to my country, but who gives a *darn*?

All I have to offer is ingratitude and mockery. Shame on me!

p.s.:
My message in a bottle reached American soil somehow.

Ingratitude and mockery? Yeah that pretty much sums you up! I didn't have to say a thing!

p.s.:
We received you message and, basically by your own words, think you're a selfish, neurotic, venemous, haughty, pompus, hurt filled jackass who makes more enemies than keeps friends.

What a loser!

- Sparks

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Guest-Thomas said:

Leah,

Since fingerprinting was first used as an investigative tool, there has never been an instance where two people have been found to have the same fingerprints.

Hi Tom. Umm, just a quick question: I know that no two people have the same exact fingerprints on the entire sets of hands. As far as I know, there are nine different types of finger print patterns. Could two identical people have the same pattern such as the "arch" on the lift index finger, but a different pattern on the rest of their hands?


Where I live, you can get a concealed carry permit by taking a firearms course. This law was put into effect about ten years ago.

That is a good idea and should be manditory nationwide. If you are going purchase a firearm, you should know the safety and maintainence issues.

Since then, there have been only a few cases where the permitted concealed weapon was used unlawfully, and there has never been a case where a lawfully concealed weapon has been used for an unlawful assault.

I have been a firearms instructor since 1986. In my experience, the more a law abiding person knows about firearms, the safer that person is when handling them. I have taught all my children how to safely handle firearms. I have no fear that they will ever misuse them.

That is a good idea, and admire you for teaching your children about safety and responsibility. I also think that the elderly who are in good health and living alone, especially in a bad neighborhood, can benefit from the extra protection as well.

A felon, or violent offender, should not be permitted to obtain a firearm, however.

Where I live we don't have the right to carry firearms. I was able to obtain pepper spray for protection, and never had to use it once. I don't carry it at all times either, not even when going out with my friends at night as I forget to bring it at times.

By the way, I see our young, (I still have my money on the bet that he lives with one or both parents), friend Euro-unknown is active on this issue as well.

M'hmm...

[Thomas1]

Leah,

I don't know what I did, but I can't log in under Thomas anymore, so it'll be this for a while.

In answer to your fingerprint question, there are no known cases of identical fingerprints. There are cases where prints have been similar enough that a print has been mis-identified. Although rare, it usually happens when there is only a partial print to work from. I am familiar with such a case. After the suspect challenged the identification, other experts disagreed with the first one. However, the suspect was still convicted upon other overwhelming evidence.

Eurostar,

Did you say master race? Finally speaking from experience are you? And as for education, I have known many "educated idiots" in my time.

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Guest-Thomas1 said:

Leah,

I don't know what I did, but I can't log in under Thomas anymore, so it'll be this for a while.

Hi Tom, you may want to e-mail Doc, Char, or Royd. I had trouble downloading my picture in my "profile," and they were able to help me get it to work.

In answer to your fingerprint question, there are no known cases of identical fingerprints. There are cases where prints have been similar enough that a print has been mis-identified. Although rare, it usually happens when there is only a partial print to work from. I am familiar with such a case. After the suspect challenged the identification, other experts disagreed with the first one. However, the suspect was still convicted upon other overwhelming evidence.

Fingerprinting is an interesting science, that I would like to know more about.

Right after 911, I got a part time job at a financial institution where we analyze transactions between customers and merchants. Too repetetive as a job, but anyway. The company has excellent security. You have a badge to enter the building and can only enter "single file," they also fingerprint every employee on hiring. Not a bad idea. I don't know why my current employer doesn't do that. This is also a financial institution that deals with credit for farmers accross the US and Canada.

Leah

Eurostar,

Did you say master race? Finally speaking from experience are you? And as for education, I have known many "educated idiots" in my time.

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Guest-Thomas1 said:

Eurostar,

Did you say master race? Finally speaking from experience are you? And as for education, I have known many "educated idiots" in my time.

Well Tom, it looks like Eurostar is avoiding us. I think it is safe to say at this point.

Leah

[oldsparky]

Well Tom, it looks like Eurostar is avoiding us. I think it is safe to say at this point.

Leah

I guess so. Good Riddance, Troll!

[eu.ro]

Don't feel too safe Sparks!

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oldsparky said:

Thorsten, Thosrten, Thorsten............what are we gonna do with you? More attack! attack! attack! Is there anything else you can offer besides hissie fits, insults and making smug comments about about how 'superior' you think you are to Americans?

Good question Sparks....

Leah

[Benty]

Nickstar
In the military, a common expression was "I'd rather be judged by a jury of 12, than carried by 6 (pallbearers)".

Locked and loaded is far better than laying in the street dead.

[mkb]

Kwon, Ik-Whan G., Scott, Bradley, Safranski, Scott R., & Bae, Muen. (1997). The Effectiveness of Gun Control Laws: Multivariate Statistical Analysis. American Journal of Economics and Sociology 56 (1) 41-50.

Statistical highlights from "The Effectiveness of Gun Control Laws:"


In 1992, there were nearly 40,000 deaths from guns in the U.S.

In the U.S, there are about 20,000 laws or regulations which attempt to control guns in some way.

In 1990, 24 states had no gun-control laws.

In the 26 states with gun-control laws, there were 19.6 gun-related deaths per 100,000 persons.

In the 24 states with no gun-control laws in 1990, there were 24.4 gun related deaths per 100,000.