death penalty is wrong

[Anonomous]

Why do you people have this dumb website?
The death penalty is wrong and should be outlawed!!!

[Dan]

How can you think that way? People deserve that punishment for committing horrible crimes!!

[Felix]

I also agree that the DP is not right. I prefer to discuss this issue with the folk who think it is right in order to inform myself about both sides of the arguement. I remain convinced it is wrong, but have exposed myself and my thinking to those who disagree, therefore I think that my perspective is marginally more informed than if I simply continued to think it was dumb without discussing and including others views before arriving at my conclusion.
Why do you think it is dumb?

[Nicole]

I agree that that death penalty is wrong. To me, it is obvious that it is wrong, just as it is wrong to murder anyone. For those of you who try to justify the death penalty, I suggest that you really look into all of the statistics and procedures concerning it. It is often applied in a prejudice way, particulary when involving ethnic minorities and the poor, with improper representation and legal misconduct.

[bhuaraque]

Everyone has a right to their opinion. But what I do not understand is how can you say the DP is wrong, when killing someone is more wrong. Why should the person who commits the crime be allowed to live and breath when the victim is no longer able to? As the Bible says "An eye for and eye". There are so many people who commit murder and get away with it. How unjustified that is for the victims family to know that the person who killed their family member is walking the streets free as a bird and able to commit more murders. Now to me that is more wrong then the DP.

[Nicole]

Your argument is inconvincing for several reasons. First of all, I agree with you that killing someone is wrong. I am against killing all together, whereas you take the position of justifying a killing through, I'll assume, self-defense and revenge, as you quote "an eye for an eye."

As stated in the Ten Commandments in the Bible, "thou shalt not kill." I don't understand how you can believe in one part of the Bible but not another. Ultimate justice is in God's hands, with His convinction as the murderer dies, as stated "an eye for an eye."

Secondly, if a murderer is walking the streets free, we have a bigger problem on our hands than the death penalty. If you want to blame someone for murderers walking free, blame the legal system, not capital punishment. Capital punishment kills. Jails and prisions keep murderers behind bars.

Finally, capital punishment is not a deterrant for crime rate. I will not go into detail about this but for more information, you can visit www.amnestyusa.org/lsn/death_penalty.html

[Donnie]

Having murderers walking the streets free is the result of the design and intention of our legal system. First the murderer must be caught. But our legal system retards that process by requiring warrants and imposing restrictions on how people are questioned and searched. Some of the rules in that area are becoming more restrictive. Once the murderer is found, he must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That means many will never go to trial because not enough evidence can be found. It would be unethical for a prosecutor to bring a murderer to trial without knowing that he had enough evidence to convict. He cannot just put the murderer on trial and hope he has a jury that is tough on murderers. That means that a skillful or lucky murderer will never even go to trial. If a murderer is a little less skillful or has a little bit of bad luck, there may be enough evidence to prove that he is the killer. But there may not be enough evidence to prove that it was murder. So he may go to trial for manslaughter and get a short sentence if convicted. But even if he goes to trial for murder, he doesn't necessarily have to worry about a long sentence or the DP. That is because there have to be specific aggravating circumstances for a murderer to be eligible for the DP.

Then once the murderer is convicted, he gets a chance to argue during the sentencing phase that there were mitigating circumstances and the he is really sorry. That might get him a short sentence. So there is a chance for parole. If that fails he gets more chances with appeals. If some evidence gets lost or a witness disappears that can get him exonerated. So there are always thousands of murderers walking free. But only a few minor changes could be made without making the process unfair to the rare innocent person who enters the legal process.

As for prisons, they don't stop murderers from killing again. Convicted murderers kill other prisoners and prison employees even if they don't escape. Some ant-DP folk argue that there is no problem with that because they only kill a few innocent people each year.

Keep

Guest-Nicole said:

Secondly, if a murderer is walking the streets free, we have a bigger problem on our hands than the death penalty. If you want to blame someone for murderers walking free, blame the legal system, not capital punishment. Capital punishment kills. Jails and prisions keep murderers behind bars.

[Deleted]

ok put it this way death penatly is painless, same thing u do to a dog that bit someone, why wouldnt u do it to someone that killed, if u can kill a dog for just biting someone, think about that one while u talk down about the cp law.

[Nicole]

Stupid people aren't allowed on the message board. Go away. Come back when you have a real argument. actually, don't come back at all.

Donnie had an intelligent reply. Yours was stupid.

[TerryMik]

RE: NICOLE'S STATEMENT:

"As stated in the Ten Commandments in the Bible, "thou shalt not kill." I don't understand how you can believe in one part of the Bible but not another. Ultimate justice is in God's hands, with His convinction as the murderer dies, as stated "an eye for an eye.""

Why should the American public have to support individuals that have commited heinous crimes against society? To me this isn't fair to the American public that obey the law and pay taxes.

I agree with the DP, if they are convicted in a court of law for their actions against society and convicted to death, we should not have to pay for all their "rights" to medical health, education and all the other luxery's they receive in prison.

[okiefrommuskogee]

I don't think the "eye for an eye" argument is right for a Christian to argue...because that was the old covenant...the new covenant is that of Christ...turn the other cheek, love one another as thyself, forgiveness, etc. However, God states clearly throughout the Bible that sin leads to death. God has also commanded Christians to respect government and pray for the country's leaders. The "Ten Commandments" were commandments for individuals to follow. In other words, a person should not take it upon themself to end someone's life. However, a person convicted of a violent crime is tried by a jury...a representation of society...and empowered by God as a part of the government. Therefore I believe they have the power to end someone's life if that person is found guilty of a violent crime. Unfortunately, there is a great deal of corruption and prejudice in the system...which makes it even more important that juries take their time to come to the correct decision. Ultimately, if someone is wrong accused and put to death, then that innocent person's blood is on the head of the person or people who misled the jury. It is obviously a regrettable result if an innocent person is put to death or jailed, but I believe that we try as hard as possible to ensure that people receive fair trials. And, all it takes is a LITTLE doubt to find a person "not guilty." Anyways, the system isn't perfect...and it NEVER will be since we are only human. But America's justice system is extremely fair in the whole scheme of things...there are plenty of chances for appeals (which the taxpayers pay for), loopholes in laws, etc. But I do agree that we need to continue to strive to eliminate prejudice and corruption from the justice system.

[Nicole]

My AIM and Yahoo screenname is NikkiH0378. E-mail is [e-mail]. I'm from Bartlesville, Oklahoma, and go to Oklahoma State University in Stillwater, Oklahoma. Everyone who believes in the Death Penalty are stupid idiots. That includes YOU!

Nicole Herron

[Donnie]

This post from Nicole is a fake. The Nicole described in the post did not post it.

Guest-Nicole said:

Everyone who believes in the Death Penalty are stupid idiots.
Nicole Xxxxxxx

['Guest']

Who is the owner of this message board?