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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 22:27:43 GMT -6
I think it's interesting that Americans criticize Arab countries and radical Islamic sects as being "barbaric" on account of their usage of corporal and capital punishments (e.g., stoning, beheading). I think it's even more interesting that many of these same Americans would revere such behaviors should our government codify them as policy. Ah, the similarities between the radical right-wing in the U.S. and terrorist cells abroad... Who cares what you think, Malcolm the Tenth?
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Post by malcolmx on Dec 29, 2006 22:28:10 GMT -6
You know nothing about the real Malcolm X, and why would you think I'm a pacifist? Far from it, I'm a realist.
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Post by grandma on Dec 29, 2006 22:28:50 GMT -6
I think it's interesting that Americans criticize Arab countries and radical Islamic sects as being "barbaric" on account of their usage of corporal and capital punishments (e.g., stoning, beheading). I think it's even more interesting that many of these same Americans would revere such behaviors should our government codify them as policy. Ah, the similarities between the radical right-wing in the U.S. and terrorist cells abroad... Not all Pros and certainly not all Americans. The DP does not have to be barbaric to be efficacious. I have never spoken with you before, MalcomX. You seem very intelligent. I'd like to welcome you to the board. You should post more often.
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 22:29:01 GMT -6
I think it's interesting that Americans criticize Arab countries and radical Islamic sects as being "barbaric" on account of their usage of corporal and capital punishments (e.g., stoning, beheading). I think it's even more interesting that many of these same Americans would revere such behaviors should our government codify them as policy. Ah, the similarities between the radical right-wing in the U.S. and terrorist cells abroad... Tell me how Saddam's execution fits into any of this?
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Post by rugratsgalore on Dec 29, 2006 22:30:03 GMT -6
then we wouldn't have to worry about appeals...which has found many innocent men on death row. Can you please list all the men on death row that have been PROVEN to be innocent and released (not released on a technicality.)
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Post by josephdphillips on Dec 29, 2006 22:31:10 GMT -6
You know nothing about the real Malcolm X, and why would you think I'm a pacifist? Far from it, I'm a realist. I see. So some violence is OK. When?
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Post by malcolmx on Dec 29, 2006 22:34:49 GMT -6
Thank you grandma for your invitation. Rugratsgalore, I would not even bother to list the men who were found by DNA to be innocent. If you really care you would look it up yourself, but you don't so why would I waste my time with a list?
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Post by malcolmx on Dec 29, 2006 22:36:00 GMT -6
Some violence is okay, especially in wars.
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 22:37:41 GMT -6
Thank you grandma for your invitation. Rugratsgalore, I would not even bother to list the men who were found by DNA to be innocent. If you really care you would look it up yourself, but you don't so why would I waste my time with a list? I would say the truth is you know there isn't one. If you could name one you would!
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 22:38:26 GMT -6
Some violence is okay, especially in wars. Then the death of Saddam should fit into that category.
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Post by rugratsgalore on Dec 29, 2006 22:39:13 GMT -6
Nice try. You won't list them because you can't. I want names (lots of them as you proposed) of those exonerated, not having their sentence commuted on a technicality or equally lame excuse. Thank you grandma for your invitation. Rugratsgalore, I would not even bother to list the men who were found by DNA to be innocent. If you really care you would look it up yourself, but you don't so why would I waste my time with a list?
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Post by rugratsgalore on Dec 29, 2006 22:44:15 GMT -6
I've heard conflicting reports about whether the other two condemned were hung. Does anyone know for sure whether or not they were also executed tonight?
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Post by malcolmx on Dec 29, 2006 22:44:16 GMT -6
Okay Stormyweather, I'll give you a few off the top of my head. Willie Rainge, Kenny Adams, Dennis Williams and Verneal Jimerson. After 17 years on death row the real killers were found. I won't give you a long list but trust me there are many, I thought being a Pro you would know that.
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Post by 4GodnCountry on Dec 29, 2006 23:03:12 GMT -6
When did America say hanging is cruel and unusual? Ain't you the nation that worries incase the condemned may feel the *jerk* from a LI needle? Trust me, America would never forcibly hang a person. Really? www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5555State of Washington conducts its last execution by hanging on May 27, 1994. HistoryLink.org Essay 5555 Printer-Friendly Format On May 27, 1994, the State of Washington conducts its last execution by hanging. Charles Rodman Campbell, age 39, was put to death for the 1982 murders of two women and a child. Campbell had a choice between hanging and lethal injection, but he refused to make a choice, so under state law, hanging is used. After this, in accordance with a law on method of execution passed in 1996, the state will use lethal injection to execute criminals condemned to death, unless the defendant chooses hanging. Campbell was convicted of killing Renae Wicklund, her eight-year old daughter Shannah, and a neighbor, Barbara Hendrickson. In a previous rape case, Wicklund had testified that Campbell had attacked and sodomized her and held a knife to her baby's throat in a prosecution that sent him to prison. Upon his release, Campbell committed the murders. He appealed his conviction and sentence for 12 years. Campbell refused to cooperate with the execution. He had to be moved from his cell using pepper spray and he was hanged strapped to a board. It took prison officials 90 seconds to place a hood on his head and to fix the noose before the trap was opened. Death was instantaneous. In 1996, the Legislature amended state law and lethal injection became the authorized method of execution, unless the defendant chooses hanging. Laura
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 23:05:12 GMT -6
Okay Stormyweather, I'll give you a few off the top of my head. Willie Rainge, Kenny Adams, Dennis Williams and Verneal Jimerson. After 17 years on death row the real killers were found. I won't give you a long list but trust me there are many, I thought being a Pro you would know that. Well they were released, not executed.
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Post by rugratsgalore on Dec 29, 2006 23:11:41 GMT -6
That's ONE case involving all four of the individuals you listed. I'm waiting for the long list of names you mentioned. Okay Stormyweather, I'll give you a few off the top of my head. Willie Rainge, Kenny Adams, Dennis Williams and Verneal Jimerson. After 17 years on death row the real killers were found. I won't give you a long list but trust me there are many, I thought being a Pro you would know that.
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 23:18:04 GMT -6
Okay Stormyweather, I'll give you a few off the top of my head. Willie Rainge, Kenny Adams, Dennis Williams and Verneal Jimerson. After 17 years on death row the real killers were found. I won't give you a long list but trust me there are many, I thought being a Pro you would know that. Malcom I'm not saying our system is perfect. No system or government is. They're run by humans. But if you're waiting for perfect justice there would be no justice. I've said this before, if prosecuters use misconduct then they should be prosecuted. Infact people should spend their time making sure things are done legally and in the right way. Ending the dp isn't going to fix what you want.
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Post by onetwobomb on Dec 29, 2006 23:42:04 GMT -6
When did America say hanging is cruel and unusual? Ain't you the nation that worries incase the condemned may feel the *jerk* from a LI needle? Trust me, America would never forcibly hang a person. The last time America hanged someone was in 1996. And Washington state still has hanging as an execution method.
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 23:54:12 GMT -6
Okay Stormyweather, I'll give you a few off the top of my head. Willie Rainge, Kenny Adams, Dennis Williams and Verneal Jimerson. After 17 years on death row the real killers were found. I won't give you a long list but trust me there are many, I thought being a Pro you would know that. I looked these up being and anti you should know that only two of these men were sentenced to death. All four of them were released but only two from death row. Should we do away with prison for risk of an innocent person being sent to prison?
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 29, 2006 23:55:09 GMT -6
That's ONE case involving all four of the individuals you listed. I'm waiting for the long list of names you mentioned. Okay Stormyweather, I'll give you a few off the top of my head. Willie Rainge, Kenny Adams, Dennis Williams and Verneal Jimerson. After 17 years on death row the real killers were found. I won't give you a long list but trust me there are many, I thought being a Pro you would know that. I looked these names up. Only two were sentenced to death. He listed them as if all four were released from death row.
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Post by ghidra on Dec 29, 2006 23:55:43 GMT -6
I will tell you whats cruel -being Gassed to Death with your Child in your Arms as applied by Saddam.He died easier than he should have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2006 23:58:03 GMT -6
The US could take a lesson or two about capital punishment from Iraq. A token appeal and bam to the gallows. I wonder how long it will be before the video is on the net.
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Post by angelicalewis on Dec 30, 2006 0:45:16 GMT -6
According to Fox News: Witness: Hussein struggled as he was taken from his cell. Shouted "God is great!" before being executed. Apparently he also refused to wear the prison uniform and black hood.
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Post by Californian on Dec 30, 2006 1:13:26 GMT -6
You know nothing about the real Malcolm X, and why would you think I'm a pacifist? Far from it, I'm a realist. As was Malcolm Little, a convicted drug dealer and burglar. Are you one of those Islamic fruit guys? ;D
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Post by Felix2 on Dec 30, 2006 2:30:29 GMT -6
You know nothing about the real Malcolm X, and why would you think I'm a pacifist? Far from it, I'm a realist. But hey, you dont know Joseph, he knows everything about everything and everyone.
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Post by Michael on Dec 30, 2006 3:53:38 GMT -6
So... they hanged Saddam. Well, it´s fair to assume that those who executed him have in a way also executed the thousands of victims to come who will die because of some freedom-fighters now have a new idol. And it was a not very clever move to execute Saddam during the Muslim pilgrimage, he will go to heaven instantly and Allahs wrath will come over us all. Happy new year....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2006 5:03:17 GMT -6
Saddam being fitted for his final necktie.
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Post by Paul on Dec 30, 2006 5:05:10 GMT -6
This is your mistake America, big mistake. Saddam was a dictator and tyran but only his own nation, who suffered a lot under his regime had the right to punish him. And don´t tell me that Iraqi courts are independent( they aren´t because of thousands of US soldiers in their country, of course). Probably you created a new martyr for all the sick jihadists, and the road to peace in Iraq will be longer than ever before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2006 5:38:10 GMT -6
This is your mistake America, big mistake. Saddam was a dictator and tyran but only his own nation, who suffered a lot under his regime had the right to punish him. And don´t tell me that Iraqi courts are independent( they aren´t because of thousands of US soldiers in their country, of course). Do you have any proof that this trial and conviction was not an Iraqi matter? Not empty speculation based on the fact that there are U.S. forces providing security at the behest of the Iraqi Government. Do you actually think that the Iraq tribual would have reached a different verdict if the U.S. was not present? In other words, was he guilty or not? Saddam by all accounts was a secular ruler, there hadn't been any mass reprisals in his name while he was in custody so time will tell what will hapen after his execution. Without the benefit of clairvoyance I dont see many sacrificing their lives for someone who himself wasn't willing to die fighting the 'infidels' and found himself on Iraqi TV being checked for fleas. Just wondering, would you oppose the execution of Osama Bin Laden beacuse it would turn him into a matyr for jihadists as well? Are you certain you're even a Pro?
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Post by beej76 on Dec 30, 2006 7:48:17 GMT -6
The US could take a lesson or two about capital punishment from Iraq. A token appeal and bam to the gallows. I wonder how long it will be before the video is on the net. I think the US could learn something about the swiftness and certainty of punishment. It's disturbing though to read so many accounts of how a trial and process that could have been the beginning of justice in Iraq was more of a sham - not a good start.
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