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Post by starbux on Sept 27, 2012 13:54:31 GMT -6
I think executions should be public. You could have a reality TV show that shows the aspects of the crime, the trial and the final execution. You can have America vote on weather or not they think the last minute stay will go through. We can make a lot of money commercializing it and that money can go back into the criminal justice system. Death will no longer cost more than LWOP.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Sept 27, 2012 15:14:32 GMT -6
How about making a Running Man type show? Condemned inmates fighting on tv like Arnie and his gang? If we brought back public executions lets do it with a bit of showbiz sparkle.
On a more serious note I think public executions would make a lot of folk become Antis, even some Pros. By and large humans do not enjoy death, even the executions of evil people. It has the effect of making people run from it rather than embrace it. Not all of course but I suspect it would make those sitting on the fence become Anti.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Sept 28, 2012 10:01:43 GMT -6
Hell, I'd watch if the only thing they would show is the EKG read out and how it changes.
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Post by deathcub2000 on Sept 28, 2012 11:28:58 GMT -6
After my dad died and after I watched my father-in-law die, my view of death has changed;I am no longer afraid of it. For me,watching someone die with lethal injection would be no different that watching someone fall asleep. It would be far more acceptable than perhaps watchng someone hang or be beheaded, so I don't think it would change a pro to an anti.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Sept 28, 2012 11:47:49 GMT -6
I can only go from personal experience but I knew some folk who thought they were Pro death until they followed the coverage of Karla Faye Tuckers execution. As the hours counted down and they realised what was about to happen, they made up their minds that a real life sentence would be better.
The average man on the street doesn't give the death penalty much thought. They say things like "put all child molesters down" but when it comes to actually doing it, its different. I dont know one way or the other but I personally think it would put quite a few people off if they were to watch a public execution.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 28, 2012 15:35:05 GMT -6
I think executions should be public. You could have a reality TV show that shows the aspects of the crime, the trial and the final execution. You can have America vote on weather or not they think the last minute stay will go through. We can make a lot of money commercializing it and that money can go back into the criminal justice system. Death will no longer cost more than LWOP. I beleive that is exactly what I am going to vote on,the weather!!! As far as Obama, & Mitt we lose either way. That is a public execution.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 28, 2012 15:43:15 GMT -6
As far as DR inmates and public execution, heck no" they get to much attention & sympathy as it is. Like KFT did, it was almost like a public execution.
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Post by starbux on Sept 28, 2012 21:29:04 GMT -6
That is a possibility, unfortunately. I would hate to see that of course. It disgusts me to see criminals getting sympathy. My only point to having them public would be to show, here is a criminal this is his crime, now we are putting that guy to death.
I extremely hate people who show up to prisons on EX-day to have a candle light vigil for a scum bag that is being put to death for a heinous murder. I would not want to see them martyred anymore than necessary.
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Post by moretoasts on Sept 29, 2012 2:51:10 GMT -6
I am all for public executions
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Post by dogrose on Sept 29, 2012 11:17:39 GMT -6
Steve, you talk a lot of sense in your posts here, I agree that public executions could turn the fence sitter anti.
It seems to me that those who want to see others die in such a way are just a little sick.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Sept 29, 2012 14:04:29 GMT -6
Steve, you talk a lot of sense in your posts here, I agree that public executions could turn the fence sitter anti. It seems to me that those who want to see others die in such a way are just a little sick. When im low on scotch, sense returns Cassie
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Post by rayozz on Sept 29, 2012 22:59:10 GMT -6
How about making a Running Man type show? Condemned inmates fighting on tv like Arnie and his gang? If we brought back public executions lets do it with a bit of showbiz sparkle. On a more serious note I think public executions would make a lot of folk become Antis, even some Pros. By and large humans do not enjoy death, even the executions of evil people. It has the effect of making people run from it rather than embrace it. Not all of course but I suspect it would make those sitting on the fence become Anti. It's interesting how our sentiments have changed over time. In Britain, death by hanging was the principal form of execution from Anglo-Saxon times until capital punishment was abolished in 1964. Up to May 1868 all hangings were carried out in public and attracted large crowds who were at least supposed to be deterred by the spectacle, but who more probably went for the morbid excitement and the carnival atmosphere that usually surrounded such events. The modern expression Gala Day is derived from the Anglo-Saxon gallows day. After hangings retreated inside prisons, large crowds would still often gather outside the gates to see the posting of the death notice or to protest the execution.In a matter of 100 years, we've moved from public to private to none. In Australia and England, that is. Some academic must have written a paper on the change.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Sept 30, 2012 3:52:02 GMT -6
Youre not wrong Ray, as many as 200,000 would gather at hangings in Tyburn, it was a real festival atmosphere. They even sold tickets (theres a pic of one in the History section). Think of 200, 000 people. That over double Wembley stadium capacity and it must have been utterly awesome. I for one admit I would have gone, of course I would, who wouldn't? (Cue folk saying that no they wouldnt but they would.) In my blog of Welsh executions (in my sig) I covered the last public exeution in Swansea and folk turned up.
But I guess we 'saw the light', evolved or found televsion instead. Back then we didn't have todays entertainments so executions were like a night at the opera I suppose. Britain when we had the Tyburn Tree in Londeon was a pretty grim place for the poor and I suppose watching criminals hanged was something to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 13:12:27 GMT -6
Public executions would probably REDUCE resistance to executions. Most people would get used to the idea, and they would start realizing that executions are not as gruesome as they have been lead to believe.
The problem is that they're not ready, and neither is the media. The media would play it up until it had people going hysterical over it.
I suggest keeping them very low-key, but videotaping the process, and taking some still shots. In cases where there is unlikely to be much sympathy for the offender due to the heinous nature of the crime, release a few seconds of video not of the execution itself but a time close to it, with references to it, like going through the door of the death chamber.
As the public gets used to this, you could escalate at least a bit, maybe with some discretion, and suggestion.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Oct 1, 2012 13:20:36 GMT -6
Pickpockets in Britain, pickpocketed people at public executions of pickpockets. Tongue twister there lol but its true.
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Post by starbux on Oct 1, 2012 13:44:22 GMT -6
How about making a Running Man type show? Condemned inmates fighting on tv like Arnie and his gang? If we brought back public executions lets do it with a bit of showbiz sparkle. On a more serious note I think public executions would make a lot of folk become Antis, even some Pros. By and large humans do not enjoy death, even the executions of evil people. It has the effect of making people run from it rather than embrace it. Not all of course but I suspect it would make those sitting on the fence become Anti. It's interesting how our sentiments have changed over time. In Britain, death by hanging was the principal form of execution from Anglo-Saxon times until capital punishment was abolished in 1964. Up to May 1868 all hangings were carried out in public and attracted large crowds who were at least supposed to be deterred by the spectacle, but who more probably went for the morbid excitement and the carnival atmosphere that usually surrounded such events. The modern expression Gala Day is derived from the Anglo-Saxon gallows day. After hangings retreated inside prisons, large crowds would still often gather outside the gates to see the posting of the death notice or to protest the execution.In a matter of 100 years, we've moved from public to private to none. In Australia and England, that is. Some academic must have written a paper on the change. I wonder what has made us so sissified that we can not stand the sight of death, even though the news will show all kinds of footage of people being slain in the wars. People are hypocrites they will watch other reality TV where there are victims to natural disasters and other tragedies. I guess the difference is those events are already in the past and have happened. I guess what some people wont stomach is the fact that it is happening now. I think wadeco has hit the nail on the head I think if we get more used to it and see the calm way they die is no different than putting down the family dog, than I think people will get used to it. Of course my only concern with my idea would be that tyhe TV show host would go out and assert that the criminal is innocent and try to push that angle. As long as the focus remains solely on the victim and the crime, offering no discussion on criminal innocence than it will not be so bad. I remember in the history books in America that the people would gather from all around to witness a hanging. They would have vendors sell funnel cakes, cotton candy, it sounded like a real hoot. Kids would watch and learn a valuable lesson to crime and punishment but somewhere along the way we got sensitive to death, despite watching it in other areas. I would not mind spending an afternoon at the town square with some fresh baked apple pie watching a felon get his in the end. ;D
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Post by Matt on Oct 1, 2012 14:06:11 GMT -6
Probably not. Why give the condemned a platform?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 1, 2012 14:34:18 GMT -6
It's interesting how our sentiments have changed over time. In Britain, death by hanging was the principal form of execution from Anglo-Saxon times until capital punishment was abolished in 1964. Up to May 1868 all hangings were carried out in public and attracted large crowds who were at least supposed to be deterred by the spectacle, but who more probably went for the morbid excitement and the carnival atmosphere that usually surrounded such events. The modern expression Gala Day is derived from the Anglo-Saxon gallows day. After hangings retreated inside prisons, large crowds would still often gather outside the gates to see the posting of the death notice or to protest the execution.In a matter of 100 years, we've moved from public to private to none. In Australia and England, that is. Some academic must have written a paper on the change. I wonder what has made us so sissified that we can not stand the sight of death, Humm why is it, an antil posted a link to what happens in an execution ( on another site)for a defense of how horrible inhumane execution is) was ok. When I posted a link to (the pics) condition of the bodies of Nicole Simpson, & Ron Goldman, it really pissed them off...
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Oct 1, 2012 16:14:59 GMT -6
to be fair I dont think its good mixing up forum posts. And I dont know what link you posted.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 1, 2012 16:19:21 GMT -6
to be fair I dont think its good mixing up forum posts. And I dont know what link you posted. Do what?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 17:27:33 GMT -6
They really do just go to sleep. That is all it is.
The only people it would be traumatic for would be those that did still love them, if there are any. And it would just be another WAH WAH platform for the drama queen scumpals.
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Post by starbux on Oct 1, 2012 20:37:19 GMT -6
Probably not. Why give the condemned a platform? I prefer giving them a chair with some electrodes instead.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Oct 1, 2012 22:04:04 GMT -6
Also if the execution is televised, won't that mean less of a chance of the executioners screwing up when it comes to the execution?
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Oct 2, 2012 3:35:20 GMT -6
If anyone really wants to see an execution so bad, just record yourself on Youtube going to sleep
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Post by Matt on Oct 3, 2012 12:19:42 GMT -6
I prefer giving them a chair with some electrodes instead. My point was that, were we to televise executions, inevitably we'd be treated to the condemned's words of wisdom, broadcast over the airwaves. I don't care what they have to say.
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Post by starbux on Oct 3, 2012 19:00:12 GMT -6
No I got it LOL I was just playing on the pun Hanging platform vs chair ha ha All serious though I agree with that part I do not care what they have to say either. Just strap them in let them ride.
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Post by Matt on Oct 4, 2012 11:57:24 GMT -6
I gotcha. Yes, I think the very last thing the world needs are these "pearls of wisdom" from a murderer. Along these same lines, I've never understood peoples' fascination with that the condemned ate for a last meal. I mean, really. Who gives a shyt whether they had fried chicken or pizza or Mountain Dew or whatever?
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