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Post by Katyusha on Mar 14, 2010 6:59:24 GMT -6
There's apparently one God but an endless line of people down here on Earth who are ready to tell us exactly what he thinks - be interesting to hear where they get their exclusive knowledge of God's will. Hilarious. Exactly.Personally,for me,if G-d exists we can communicate with him through our own reason (he bestowed on us).Meaning,doing an objective (as possible) calculation what will serve society as a whole best. Also,I'd like to point out a minor detail: The first murderer,Kain,was not executed (although there were other people around him who were able to do that) but banished.Actually,this would have been a good time for G-d to set a warning example and have the sucker killed but no. Today,we banish murderers from our midst by putting them into prisons .Judaist scholars had a similar idea:They argued,that it's ok to sentence s.o to death but you are not allowed to execute anyone,as only G-d is allowed to strip s.o of his/her live. So the convicted was placed in prison,presumably for the rest of his/her life.If,let's say,he/she slipped on the floor and broke his/her neck,this was taken as obviously G-d executing the guilty. I very much like this idea. |
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Post by D.E.E. on Mar 14, 2010 8:39:41 GMT -6
There's apparently one God but an endless line of people down here on Earth who are ready to tell us exactly what he thinks - be interesting to hear where they get their exclusive knowledge of God's will. Hilarious. Don't do that again it scares me, I have to agree with one of your statements. That just ain't right. |
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Post by ltdc on Mar 14, 2010 11:35:36 GMT -6
There's apparently one God but an endless line of people down here on Earth who are ready to tell us exactly what he thinks - be interesting to hear where they get their exclusive knowledge of God's will. Hilarious. if G-d exists OK, you're going to have to either explain the "if" or the "-"  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 11:56:44 GMT -6
"found God" name droppers  ya ever wonder what God thinks of these people who claim they know him?? Well, these people who have committed horrendous crimes who now have found God will at the end of their human existence meet him. Is he that fooled on late redemption? And are their victims going to be forgiving, from not being given the chance in case of murders to live a full natural life. Or in the case off other crimes, the mental torture their victims suffer for the rest of their natural life. Because the victims who have been murdered will be waiting on the perpetrators as well as God. |
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Post by Donnie on Mar 14, 2010 18:07:52 GMT -6
Judaist scholars had a similar idea:They argued,that it's ok to sentence s.o to death but you are not allowed to execute anyone, as only G-d is allowed to strip s.o of his/her live. The only problem with that idea is that it is contrary to G-d's word in Genesis "Whoever sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed" (Genesis 9-6), and Exodus "He that smiteth a man so that he may die, shall be surely put to death" (Exodus 21:12)". |
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Post by Katyusha on Mar 14, 2010 20:18:32 GMT -6
Judaist scholars had a similar idea:They argued,that it's ok to sentence s.o to death but you are not allowed to execute anyone, as only G-d is allowed to strip s.o of his/her live. The only problem with that idea is that it is contrary to G-d's word in Genesis "Whoever sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed" (Genesis 9-6), and Exodus "He that smiteth a man so that he may die, shall be surely put to death" (Exodus 21:12)". Well,this was human law.G-d himself gave a different example. one could argue that,at the dawn of mankind,this kind of banishment was possible as there were not so many humans Kain could run into.Be that as it may,in the past life-imprisonment normally meant an inhumane,early death,also there no facilities that could measure themselves with what we have today. Btw,although Judaism in theory condoned the DP in reality the standarts for it were/are so high it is virtually impossible to be executed. ;D |
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Post by Katyusha on Mar 14, 2010 20:22:27 GMT -6
OK, you're going to have to either explain the "if" or the "-" the "if" is for me being an agnostic and 1. not knowing 2. not really caring,its not really important,because,if he exists,he's there no matter what the "-" is a way to set the word "god" apart from the way it is normally written and thus honouring its idea. |
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Post by johnnyrep on Mar 15, 2010 2:55:28 GMT -6
Judaist scholars had a similar idea:They argued,that it's ok to sentence s.o to death but you are not allowed to execute anyone, as only G-d is allowed to strip s.o of his/her live. The only problem with that idea is that it is contrary to G-d's word in Genesis "Whoever sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed" (Genesis 9-6), and Exodus "He that smiteth a man so that he may die, shall be surely put to death" (Exodus 21:12)". The problems don't stop there by any means. |
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Post by Lauren on Mar 15, 2010 7:53:42 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure Berkowitz and Moore confused God with Waldo.
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Post by ltdc on Mar 15, 2010 11:43:52 GMT -6
OK, you're going to have to either explain the "if" or the "-" the "if" is for me being an agnostic and 1. not knowing 2. not really caring,its not really important,because,if he exists,he's there no matter what the "-" is a way to set the word "god" apart from the way it is normally written and thus honouring its idea. as I figuered. looks like you don't want to offend him/her, just in case  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2010 20:25:04 GMT -6
in what way? you mean the fact that forgiveness, while a virtue, is not a free pass from judgement, punishment, and justice? I'm pretty sure both Christ and God suscribe to that concept. the thief on the cross comes to mind The fact that pros would sacrifice all the good that comes from a rehabilitated murderer just to appease their thirst for revenge. As for your comment about Christ and the thief on the cross. Christ could not save the life of the thief on the cross because to do so would be breaking the law of the land which is a sin and Christ was sinless. That does not mean we have to support capital punishment. As much as I oppose it I'm not going to sabotage an execution because that would be sin. Breaking the law of the land. Opposing capital punishment on the other hand is not illegal, and is not sin. Well, I don't have a thirst for revenge (most of the time) and oppose the death penalty. The latter has nothing to do with the former, btw. My want is for justice ~ and for making this ball a safer place, far as possible. Once someone has murdered (a choice, btw) they've crossed a line that they can't atone for, ever, here. I want murderers kept in prison until death walks in and grabs them, probably much less kindly than their execution (ooo, that does sound a wee bit mean  ). I don't care what becomes of them as they stand before their maker (if they do) but the 'right' thing for them to do is to minister BEHIND BARS, and in fact, insist upon staying there. Then I (others, too, perhaps) might buy they're transformation. |
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). I don't care what becomes of them as they stand before their maker (if they do) but the 'right' thing for them to do is to minister BEHIND BARS, and in fact, insist upon staying there. Then I (others, too, perhaps) might buy they're transformation. 
