Dudley Sharp versus Maud de Boer-Buquicchio

[justicex84]

An eye-for-an-eye opens no eyes, and neither does the death penalty

Author: Maud de Boer-Buquicchio
11 October 2009 - Issue : 855

“Revenge is a kind of wild justice, which the more man’s nature runs to, the more ought law to weed it out.” English writer Francis Bacon was already debating the death penalty during the 16th Century. The right to life, and the right not to be tortured or treated cruelly are surely amongst the most important safeguards for a human being. The Council of Europe has been working for the past 30 years to outlaw capital punishment in Europe. As a result, since 1997, no execution has taken place in any of our 47 member states. Why the move from an eye-for-an-eye justice to banning the death penalty, even for the most heinous crimes?

For a start, the death penalty is irreversible. Miscarriages of justice happen all too often. Nothing can bring back the life of an innocent person executed after having been wrongly convicted. Since 1976, 123 prisoners have been released from death row after being wrongly convicted in the US.

Furthermore – and contrary to widespread perceptions – the death penalty does not deter crime. Statistics and recent data continually prove that there is no link between the death penalty and crime rates. In the United States, states which apply the death penalty have a higher murder rate than those which do not execute people. What we cannot ignore is that surveys of public opinion about the death penalty show that many Europeans are still in favor of the death penalty. They believe that terrorist attacks and suicide bombers who kill innocent people around the world deserve the same fate as their innocent victims. Evidence shows however that murderers are indifferent to any form of sanctions, including the death penalty. If they are already willing to die for their cause, why would they be deterred by capital punishment ?

The death penalty does not help the victims. It undermines the process of mourning and forgiving which can bring peace of mind to those bereaved by crime. Vengeance is a natural human reaction – but the truth is that there is no revenge in death – a dead person cannot feel remorse, regret a crime committed or accept responsibility. No execution has ever brought back to life a loved-one.

The death penalty is always cruel and sometimes executions degrade into torture. The fact that the person executed may have himself or herself committed an atrocious crime cannot be an excuse for a state – a public institution for which we vote and in which we trust – to violate the most basic human right, the right to life.

For all these reasons, two-thirds of all the countries in the world have now abolished the death penalty in law or in practice. The Council of Europe applauds this progress but there is still much work to be done in places where executions continue. Reliable sources estimate that during 2008, more than 2,300 people were put to death in only 25 countries. Nearly 9,000 people were sentenced to death in the same period.

The death penalty is wrong. Let’s end it. Everywhere.

Maud de Boer-Buquicchio is the Deputy Secretary General of the Council of Europe

Dudley Sharp
Ms. de Boer-Buquicchio is wrong on all points.

The death penalty is not revenge, but justice.

More countries retain the death penalty in law, than have abandoned it.

The majority populations of the EU support the death penalty for specific crimes, such as the execution of Saddam Hussein.

Possibly 25, or 0.3%, of the 8000 sentenced to death in the US since 1973, have been released because they were actually innocent. Ms. de Boer-Buquicchio's use of the 123 (now 138), is only a product of her lack of fact checking and is a simple fraud orchestarted by anti death penalty activists.

Deterrence is NOT measured by crimes rates and the implementation of the death penalty. It is a common error. 16 recent studies find for the deterrent effect of the death penalty. Not surprising. All prospects of a negative outcome deter some. There is no exception.

Innocents are more at risk without the death penalty.

I didn't know that the purpose of execution, or any criminal sanction, was the resurrection of the innocents murdered.

Although Ms. de Boer-Buquicchio's ignorance is astounding, it is, also, quite common.

References

"The Death Penalty: Not a Human Rights Violation"
homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/the-dea...

"The Death Penalty: Neither Hatred nor Revenge"
homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/20/the-dea...


The 130 (now 135) death row "innocents" scam
homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03/04/fact-ch...


"The Death Penalty: More Protection for Innocents"
homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/05/the-dea...


"Deterrence and the Death Penalty: A Reply to Radelet and Lacock"
homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/02/deterre...


"Death Penalty, Deterrence & Murder Rates: Let's be clear"
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/03/death-pen...



"Death Penalty Polls: Support Remains Very High - 80%"
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...


"Death Penalty Support: Various Secular & Religious Scholars"
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-pen...

[justicex84]

The death penalty may not bring the victim back to life, or deter violent crime, but, when judiciously applied, with the due process of law, it is a guarantor against recidivism. I'd like to see Ms. de Boer-Buquicchio write as strongly against the holocaust which has claimed so many totally innocent lives in the last 50 years--abortion.

[Felix2]

Mar 1, 2010 3:18:40 GMT -6 justicex84 said:

The death penalty may not bring the victim back to life, or deter violent crime, but, when judiciously applied, with the due process of law, it is a guarantor against recidivism. I'd like to see Ms. de Boer-Buquicchio write as strongly against the holocaust which has claimed so many totally innocent lives in the last 50 years--abortion.

Clashed swords with Dudlet Sharpe many years back, he is a clown, and a psuedo religiouns grandiose one at that. Reminds me of a little fat budda who thinks he is making arguement but is merely stating his opinion. To be frank, I dotn know who the other person is - yet! I should state Duddy did not exactly like me either.

[mike5]

Dudley Sharp is a very articulate advocate for capital punishment. He comments on a number of different forums and as you discovered, has his own website.

[Felix2]

Mar 1, 2010 9:05:44 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Dudley Sharp is a very articulate advocate for capital punishment. He comments on a number of different forums and as you discovered, has his own website.

Sorry Mike, I dont agree, Dudley is a religious freak who tries to argue the bible supports the death penalty. We both know there is no irrefutable proof one way or the other in the good book except this clown Jesus who rattles on about forgiveness. Personally dont know how he'd have stated his take on it any clearer.

[mike5]

Mar 1, 2010 10:16:15 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Mar 1, 2010 9:05:44 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Dudley Sharp is a very articulate advocate for capital punishment. He comments on a number of different forums and as you discovered, has his own website.

Sorry Mike, I dont agree, Dudley is a religious freak who tries to argue the bible supports the death penalty. We both know there is no irrefutable proof one way or the other in the good book except this clown Jesus who rattles on about forgiveness. Personally dont know how he'd have stated his take on it any clearer.

I have never read any comment by him that brought up religion. That doesn't mean he hasn't at one time or another, but so what? Since antis bring up the issue all the time, why wouldn't he rebut it? I've certainly seen the issue of Biblical support for/against the death penalty posted on this forum.

[Rev. Agave]

Here is a video of Mr. Sharp kicking a$$ and taking names on the issue of locking up underage murderers for life:

[mike5]

Mock Trial on DP

February 28, 2010 11:44 PM | Posted by Kent Scheidegger

Tuesday starting at 6:30 GMT, there will be a "mock trial" on the death penalty in London. (That is 1:30pm ET or 10:30am PT.) Witnesses for the "defense" will be Paul Cassell, Robert Blecker, and yours truly. The announcement is here. www.legalscholars.ac.uk/pubdocs/downloads/AMICUS_Mock_trial_full_doc.pdf

The "verdict" is probably predetermined. As I understand it, the audience will vote. Given that the audience is people who have paid $100 to attend a fundraiser for an anti-death-penalty organization, a unanimous vote for the other side is a distinct possibility, regardless of the presentations. My experience is that events such as this rarely or never sway the views of anyone whose mind is already made up either way, and not too many "swing votes" attend.

Nonetheless, this is a chance to present the other side to people who have probably never heard anything but the anti side's propaganda. The sponsors do seem to be interested in having the presentations balanced and flew us over for that purpose.

Don't know yet if the event will be available on the Web.

goo.gl/ec9T

[Deleted]

I don't think Jesus was that interested in arguments about the death penalty.

Mar 1, 2010 10:56:16 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 1, 2010 10:16:15 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Sorry Mike, I dont agree, Dudley is a religious freak who tries to argue the bible supports the death penalty. We both know there is no irrefutable proof one way or the other in the good book except this clown Jesus who rattles on about forgiveness. Personally dont know how he'd have stated his take on it any clearer.

I have never read any comment by him that brought up religion. That doesn't mean he hasn't at one time or another, but so what? Since antis bring up the issue all the time, why wouldn't he rebut it? I've certainly seen the issue of Biblical support for/against the death penalty posted on this forum.

[Donnie]

Mar 1, 2010 10:16:15 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Dudley is a religious freak who tries to argue the bible supports the death penalty. We both know there is no irrefutable proof one way or the other in the good book except this clown Jesus who rattles on about forgiveness.

It is not possible to find any Biblical opposition to the death penalty for murder. Even Sister Prejean admits that. She avoids using the Bible in her arguments because she knows the Sciptures well enough to know that the Bible requires that murderers be put to death.

[Deleted]

When I first started reading Dudley Sharp's work he was still posting on this site. I google him every now and then to keep up with what he has to say. I always liked his work, and he certainly kept the antis in a tizzy when he was here. ;D

[Deleted]

Dudley has called me at my home personally.
He never STRESSED Scriptures, but he did help me calm down as a VICTIM.
He knew our case inside and out before he even talked to our family.
He will ALWAYS have my RESPECT and LOYALTY Forever.
He knows what he is talking about and I pity the fool who thinks they can defeat him in a debate.
LOVE YA DUDLEY!!!
Sincerely
Darla

[Felix2]

Mar 10, 2010 0:41:36 GMT -6 @djgurkins said:

Dudley has called me at my home personally.
He never STRESSED Scriptures, but he did help me calm down as a VICTIM.
He knew our case inside and out before he even talked to our family.
He will ALWAYS have my RESPECT and LOYALTY Forever.
He knows what he is talking about and I pity the fool who thinks they can defeat him in a debate.
LOVE YA DUDLEY!!!
Sincerely
Darla

Well I am glad you're taking his calls and not me. He remains and will always remain and grandiose idiot in my eyes when he argues either way oon the bible and the death penalty. The exercise is futile, precisely because it can be argued either way as they say the devil quotes scripture for his own purposes.
In one exchange I did have with Duddy, rather than actually argue the point, he tried to make out that as some renowned authority on the subject of the DP I should simply concede to his viewpoint? The man is a legend in his own mind! His main difficulty then and I suspect its remains his main difficulty is that its not the pro's he needs to get agreement from, its from anti's and those who are wavering and undecided. In that respect I will sleep easy knowing that such a buffoon is the best authority the pro's can wheel out.

[mike5]

Mar 1, 2010 21:40:49 GMT -6 @janet said:

When I first started reading Dudley Sharp's work he was still posting on this site. I google him every now and then to keep up with what he has to say. I always liked his work, and he certainly kept the antis in a tizzy when he was here. ;D

Apparently, they even go crazy over the very mention of his name.

I recommend Sharp's website: www.homicidesurvivors.com/

[mike5]

Oh, and I would have to agree with Sharp - he is extremely knowledgeable about the death penalty.

[Felix2]

Mar 10, 2010 8:51:40 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 1, 2010 21:40:49 GMT -6 @janet said:

When I first started reading Dudley Sharp's work he was still posting on this site. I google him every now and then to keep up with what he has to say. I always liked his work, and he certainly kept the antis in a tizzy when he was here. ;D

Apparently, they even go crazy over the very mention of his name.

I recommend Sharp's website: www.homicidesurvivors.com/

Well your hero worship is interesting to observe, purely from an entertainment point of view. As for keeping anti's in a tizzy "whilst he was here", is that not self evident that at some point he "ran away"? I wonder why.

[Felix2]

Mar 10, 2010 0:41:36 GMT -6 @djgurkins said:

Dudley has called me at my home personally.
He never STRESSED Scriptures, but he did help me calm down as a VICTIM.
He knew our case inside and out before he even talked to our family.
He will ALWAYS have my RESPECT and LOYALTY Forever.
He knows what he is talking about and I pity the fool who thinks they can defeat him in a debate.
LOVE YA DUDLEY!!!
Sincerely
Darla

I dont doubt he would be supportive talking with a victim of that type of crime, as for briefing himself on the details of your particular case befroe calling in a support role, I'd be surprised if he simply looked up your family name and called you without knowing the details, would'nt anyone in that type of instance not do their basic homework? I do not however detract from any support emotional or optherwise he may give to victims, I merely oppose his view of the DP.

[mike5]

Mar 10, 2010 9:27:47 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Mar 10, 2010 8:51:40 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Apparently, they even go crazy over the very mention of his name.

I recommend Sharp's website: www.homicidesurvivors.com/

Well your hero worship is interesting to observe, purely from an entertainment point of view. As for keeping anti's in a tizzy "whilst he was here", is that not self evident that at some point he "ran away"? I wonder why.

People can read his articles and see that he is extremely knowledgeable. You can't change that, Felix.

Your belief that he left the forum because of you is a belief that only you hold. I imagine he left because he could reach more people posting off the forum without any restrictions on readership. And since he has his own website that is linked by some very respected people, why would he continue to post here?

I am sorry that you were so traumatized by your brief encounter with him. Now, GET OVER IT.

[Felix2]

Mar 10, 2010 9:44:18 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 10, 2010 9:27:47 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Well your hero worship is interesting to observe, purely from an entertainment point of view. As for keeping anti's in a tizzy "whilst he was here", is that not self evident that at some point he "ran away"? I wonder why.

People can read his articles and see that he is extremely knowledgeable. You can't change that, Felix.

Your belief that he left the forum because of you is a belief that only you hold. I imagine he left because he could reach more people posting off the forum without any restrictions on readership. And since he has his own website that is linked by some very respected people, why would he continue to post here?

I am sorry that you were so traumatized by your brief encounter with him. Now, GET OVER IT.

Mike, you objedctionable little toe rag, you seem to have a habit of attributing views and such to individuals that they do not hold themselves. I do not think Duddy left this forum because of me, his exchanges with me were via his own e-mail address and mine and not on this forum. The initial ocntact happened if I recall correctly through his own particualr website/blog or whatever it was at that time some years ago. So stop making a complete arse of yourself with your ill formed assumptions that you then proceed to treat as established fact, because otherwise folk like myself will begin to suspec that your grip on actual events is as loose as your arguements for the DP.

[mike5]

Mar 10, 2010 10:05:08 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Mar 10, 2010 9:44:18 GMT -6 mike5 said:

People can read his articles and see that he is extremely knowledgeable. You can't change that, Felix.

Your belief that he left the forum because of you is a belief that only you hold. I imagine he left because he could reach more people posting off the forum without any restrictions on readership. And since he has his own website that is linked by some very respected people, why would he continue to post here?

I am sorry that you were so traumatized by your brief encounter with him. Now, GET OVER IT.

Mike, you objedctionable little toe rag, you seem to have a habit of attributing views and such to individuals that they do not hold themselves. I do not think Duddy left this forum because of me, his exchanges with me were via his own e-mail address and mine and not on this forum. The initial ocntact happened if I recall correctly through his own particualr website/blog or whatever it was at that time some years ago. So stop making a complete arse of yourself with your ill formed assumptions that you then proceed to treat as established fact, because otherwise folk like myself will begin to suspec that your grip on actual events is as loose as your arguements for the DP.

Felix, you truth deficient mick: You are the one who wrote that he "he 'ran away'" after an encounter with you. (Maybe, it's your breath?) ;D

Every time his name is mentioned you over react and repeat your boring story on how you showed him up. To those familiar with your debating skills, it's not very convincing. Go sell your crazy elsewhere. No one is buying it.


P.S.: And as usual, you have to hijack a thread on the death penalty and make it all about you and your "issues." We come here to discuss the DP - not you.

[Californian]

Mike makes another friend.

[mike5]

Mar 11, 2010 9:24:59 GMT -6 Californian said:

Mike makes another friend.

And the old bald guy's dementia gets worse.

[D.E.E.]

Mar 10, 2010 11:21:48 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 10, 2010 10:05:08 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Mike, you objedctionable little toe rag, you seem to have a habit of attributing views and such to individuals that they do not hold themselves. I do not think Duddy left this forum because of me, his exchanges with me were via his own e-mail address and mine and not on this forum. The initial ocntact happened if I recall correctly through his own particualr website/blog or whatever it was at that time some years ago. So stop making a complete arse of yourself with your ill formed assumptions that you then proceed to treat as established fact, because otherwise folk like myself will begin to suspec that your grip on actual events is as loose as your arguements for the DP.

P.S.: And as usual, you have to hijack a thread on the death penalty and make it all about you and your "issues." We come here to discuss the DP - not you.

Mike I know this will bring one of your little rants but the fact is you are as guilty as Felix about hijacking the thread. If you did not feed in to it and stayed on topic it would not get of topic.

You can reply with one of your rants then I will come back and it will be off topic again and guess what you will be just as guilty of taking it off topic as anyone else.

[Californian]

Mar 11, 2010 9:43:13 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 11, 2010 9:24:59 GMT -6 Californian said:

Mike makes another friend.

And the old bald guy's dementia gets worse.

Named a friend on this board yet, Mike? Just one will do.

[mike5]

Mar 11, 2010 10:34:12 GMT -6 D.E.E. said:

Mike I know this will bring one of your little rants but the fact is you are as guilty as Felix about hijacking the thread. If you did not feed in to it and stayed on topic it would not get of topic.

You can reply with one of your rants then I will come back and it will be off topic again and guess what you will be just as guilty of taking it off topic as anyone else.

Thanks for your usual dishonest rant, grandpa, but the exchange is there for all to read. You and the other hypocrites think you can attack with impunity and hijack any serious thread. You are just as guilty as felix for derailing this thread in that you have contributed nothing but personal attacks. You can reply with another personal attack but you will have just provided more proof of my point.

[Felix2]

Mar 12, 2010 9:09:58 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 11, 2010 10:34:12 GMT -6 D.E.E. said:

Mike I know this will bring one of your little rants but the fact is you are as guilty as Felix about hijacking the thread. If you did not feed in to it and stayed on topic it would not get of topic.

You can reply with one of your rants then I will come back and it will be off topic again and guess what you will be just as guilty of taking it off topic as anyone else.

Thanks for your usual dishonest rant, grandpa, but the exchange is there for all to read. You and the other hypocrites think you can attack with impunity and hijack any serious thread. You are just as guilty as felix for derailing this thread in that you have contributed nothing but personal attacks. You can reply with another personal attack but you will have just provided more proof of my point.

Mike, all this ranting just because I think you're a *deleted*? Thought at your age you'd eb used to folk thinking that about you by now?

[mike5]

Mar 16, 2010 9:47:32 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Mar 12, 2010 9:09:58 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Thanks for your usual dishonest rant, grandpa, but the exchange is there for all to read. You and the other hypocrites think you can attack with impunity and hijack any serious thread. You are just as guilty as felix for derailing this thread in that you have contributed nothing but personal attacks. You can reply with another personal attack but you will have just provided more proof of my point.

Mike, all this ranting just because I think you're a *deleted*? Thought at your age you'd eb used to folk thinking that about you by now?

Correction: You mean all this ranting by you and your friends because I don't buy into your delusional misrepresentations of Sharpe and told you to get over it. Telling lies in a cheap attempt to deflect the fact that you made a fool out of yourself (again) doesn't fool anyone but your fellow group of wankers.

[Deleted]

Mar 1, 2010 10:16:15 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Mar 1, 2010 9:05:44 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Dudley Sharp is a very articulate advocate for capital punishment. He comments on a number of different forums and as you discovered, has his own website.

Sorry Mike, I dont agree, Dudley is a religious freak who tries to argue the bible supports the death penalty. We both know there is no irrefutable proof one way or the other in the good book except this clown Jesus who rattles on about forgiveness. Personally dont know how he'd have stated his take on it any clearer.

Dud ~ Sharp. His parents had a sense of humour at any rate! The dud had a propensity for citing his own 'work' as 'evidence' of what he was saying. Great supporter of MVS though, or more accurately MVS who hung on his every word. So ~ ~ not lil ol me.

[Felix2]

Mar 16, 2010 11:20:34 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 16, 2010 9:47:32 GMT -6 Felix2 said:

Mike, all this ranting just because I think you're a *deleted*? Thought at your age you'd eb used to folk thinking that about you by now?

Correction: You mean all this ranting by you and your friends because I don't buy into your delusional misrepresentations of Sharpe and told you to get over it. Telling lies in a cheap attempt to deflect the fact that you made a fool out of yourself (again) doesn't fool anyone but your fellow group of wankers.

Delusional? Tell me Mike the basis for such a clinical judgement on your bahalf, I am going to enjoy this. Do you actually understand what the term means?

[D.E.E.]

Mar 12, 2010 9:09:58 GMT -6 mike5 said:

Mar 11, 2010 10:34:12 GMT -6 D.E.E. said:

Mike I know this will bring one of your little rants but the fact is you are as guilty as Felix about hijacking the thread. If you did not feed in to it and stayed on topic it would not get of topic.

You can reply with one of your rants then I will come back and it will be off topic again and guess what you will be just as guilty of taking it off topic as anyone else.

Thanks for your usual dishonest rant, grandpa, but the exchange is there for all to read. You and the other hypocrites think you can attack with impunity and hijack any serious thread. You are just as guilty as felix for derailing this thread in that you have contributed nothing but personal attacks. You can reply with another personal attack but you will have just provided more proof of my point.

You are your own point, as I said I knew it would bring on one of your rannts. You of course are as guilty as anyone maybe more so than others of going off topic. What has the last rant got to do with the topic? Yes this is off topic and when you reply you will be off topic as well making you just as guilty.

You young punks (prison term) are fun to watch.