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Post by brumsongs on Jan 30, 2010 8:05:43 GMT -6
I have as much delusion of power as you do, Brums. Like it or not, as the contributors to a cause fall away, the beneficiary eventually expires. "I'm allowing you to continue your responses" Nurse, fetch the screens please. |
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 30, 2010 8:13:40 GMT -6
I have as much delusion of power as you do, Brums. Like it or not, as the contributors to a cause fall away, the beneficiary eventually expires. "I'm allowing you to continue your responses" Nurse, fetch the screens please. LMAO I'll just sit here and watch him continue to burn. ;D |
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Post by Californian on Jan 30, 2010 8:23:06 GMT -6
"I'm allowing you to continue your responses" Nurse, fetch the screens please. LMAO I'll just sit here and watch him continue to burn. ;D The Marquis De Sade redux. ;D |
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Post by phatkat on Jan 30, 2010 8:27:26 GMT -6
Your greatest points to date are that I have either little or no training (which is untrue - I work with these people; do you not think that my agency is going to teach us about them?). Mental illness does not make one unpredictable, rather, my ignorance of them does so. Not every person with a mental illness is a killer or cannibal or harmful to others (I support this claim, and have never denied it.). Black people are special. -Obviously you've had very little training or you weren't paying attention. I'd hardly expect that your employer teaches you that mentally ill inmates - or any class of inmates - are subhuman. -Humanity makes people unpredictable. -You have said that mentally ill people are subhuman, apparently including the ones who have never been violent. That is what I dispute. -ALL people are special. ;D (I'm a therapist. Had to add that one.) I don't think many people here are afraid to say anything to me, especially if they disagree. You know exactly what I meant? So you can read my mind now??  Either quote where I said that I prefer my children to be cared for by the mentally ill or stop saying that I said it...because I didn't. To agree to disagree is to call a truce and end a discussion. We can agree THAT we disagree (which is kind of a duh) but nobody that is still in this conversation is agreeing to disagree just yet. And which is it - am I in elementary school, or am I educated? Or are you just having schoolgirl fantasies about me?  They're being treated and they're still throwing feces? Ah, then again, I'm relatively sane and I may be tempted to throw feces at you.  Seriously though, I know as well as you do that prisons are not mental health treatment facilities, and a number of mentally ill inmates go un- or under-treated while incarcerated. Also, I believe that someone who sees a patient as subhuman will not effectively treat them. And many people who are not diagnosed with a mental illness are still incredibly mentally incompetent. I read English fluently and I said what I meant. Oh, here we go. Running out of options so you've got to throw the "And PS - You're an evil anti!" into it. Irrelevant. We are talking about whether a mental health diagnosis in and of itself lessens one's humanity. I say absolutely not. And PS - amputees are human too. [/quote] |
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Post by mcbox on Jan 30, 2010 9:24:36 GMT -6
Jesus. How many times must I repeat myself?!! I have said in my original post that these are my opinions and have maintained that throughout! No, my job does not teach my opinions.  -Humanity makes people unpredictable? Are you saying that it's within the boundaries of the human condition to naturally exhibit the least expected or most irrational response to a stimulus?  -Yes, that's exactly what I say. -Try convincing someone else. Especially not I. No, I don't have to read your mind when you put it in black and white right before my eyes. I gave you a scenario, you responded that you would "happily place your child in the care of someone with severe depression". Either than can be accurately construed as an affirmation, or you were dodging the answer altogether so as not to incriminate yourself. I will quote you with that statement because that is what you said. Stand up and back your response or go play in your bleeding heart sandbox where you belong. AKA www.antideath-penalty.comFalse. You've got to be kidding me. The bug-eyed sunglasses do so much for your cleavage. You look like a moth searching for a flame. Take off the sunglasses, give me a decent close-up that shows your eyes, and then maybe we'll talk. Until then, put on a sweater and jump in that body of water behind you. On the same note, mental health facilities are not prisons. Your patients are not my patients. Show me some proof that inmates are insufficiently treated for medical conditions. Otherwise, you're totally speculating. Are you really retarded? What point on God's green Earth are you stabbing at?! Please, for the sake of your own dignity and face value, do not voice your claim that you understand English ever again. Oh yes, I am running out of steam, just as I was back when I called Felix the moron he is. You are quickly filling the shoes he left behind, though. I say it is you 3 that ran out of steam some time back when you stopped responding to my points and brought out the condescension as your primary method of defense. I can drag this along as long as you like. I know you'll come, because I hurt your feelings talking about your patients. Heaven forbid that I ever become emotionally attached to an inmate. |
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Post by brumsongs on Jan 30, 2010 9:32:17 GMT -6
Heaven forbid you ever become emotionally attached to anyone, I expect we'll see the aftermath on the news.
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Post by Californian on Jan 30, 2010 9:33:58 GMT -6
Jesus. How many times must I repeat myself?!! Hopefully, until you begin to make sense. So far, that event seems to be on the far horizon.  |
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Post by mcbox on Jan 30, 2010 10:35:35 GMT -6
Cali, go troll somewhere else.
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Post by Californian on Jan 30, 2010 10:44:09 GMT -6
Cali, go troll somewhere else. Look who's talking! ;D |
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Jan 30, 2010 11:03:33 GMT -6
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 30, 2010 11:11:46 GMT -6
Cali, go troll somewhere else. Cali's not a troll  |
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 30, 2010 11:30:48 GMT -6
Cali, go troll somewhere else. Cali's not a troll This is one of the most priceless comments I have ever heard on the board! LMAO I know this is not professional language but this Mc Box is definitely a "Nut-job"! ;D |
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 30, 2010 11:35:44 GMT -6
Jesus. How many times must I repeat myself?!! I have said in my original post that these are my opinions and have maintained that throughout! No, my job does not teach my opinions. -Humanity makes people unpredictable? Are you saying that it's within the boundaries of the human condition to naturally exhibit the least expected or most irrational response to a stimulus? -Yes, that's exactly what I say. -Try convincing someone else. Especially not I. No, I don't have to read your mind when you put it in black and white right before my eyes. I gave you a scenario, you responded that you would "happily place your child in the care of someone with severe depression". Either than can be accurately construed as an affirmation, or you were dodging the answer altogether so as not to incriminate yourself. I will quote you with that statement because that is what you said. Stand up and back your response or go play in your bleeding heart sandbox where you belong. AKA www.antideath-penalty.comFalse. You've got to be kidding me. The bug-eyed sunglasses do so much for your cleavage. You look like a moth searching for a flame. Take off the sunglasses, give me a decent close-up that shows your eyes, and then maybe we'll talk. Until then, put on a sweater and jump in that body of water behind you. On the same note, mental health facilities are not prisons. Your patients are not my patients. Show me some proof that inmates are insufficiently treated for medical conditions. Otherwise, you're totally speculating. Are you really retarded? What point on God's green Earth are you stabbing at?! Please, for the sake of your own dignity and face value, do not voice your claim that you understand English ever again. Oh yes, I am running out of steam, just as I was back when I called Felix the moron he is. You are quickly filling the shoes he left behind, though. I say it is you 3 that ran out of steam some time back when you stopped responding to my points and brought out the condescension as your primary method of defense. I can drag this along as long as you like. I know you'll come, because I hurt your feelings talking about your patients. Heaven forbid that I ever become emotionally attached to an inmate. You become emotionally attached to an "inmate"? Naw, their standards are far too high for that! |
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 30, 2010 11:37:02 GMT -6
Heaven forbid you ever become emotionally attached to anyone, I expect we'll see the aftermath on the news. |
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 30, 2010 11:37:58 GMT -6
Jesus. How many times must I repeat myself?!! I have said in my original post that these are my opinions and have maintained that throughout! No, my job does not teach my opinions. -Humanity makes people unpredictable? Are you saying that it's within the boundaries of the human condition to naturally exhibit the least expected or most irrational response to a stimulus? -Yes, that's exactly what I say. -Try convincing someone else. Especially not I. No, I don't have to read your mind when you put it in black and white right before my eyes. I gave you a scenario, you responded that you would "happily place your child in the care of someone with severe depression". Either than can be accurately construed as an affirmation, or you were dodging the answer altogether so as not to incriminate yourself. I will quote you with that statement because that is what you said. Stand up and back your response or go play in your bleeding heart sandbox where you belong. AKA www.antideath-penalty.comFalse. You've got to be kidding me. The bug-eyed sunglasses do so much for your cleavage. You look like a moth searching for a flame. Take off the sunglasses, give me a decent close-up that shows your eyes, and then maybe we'll talk. Until then, put on a sweater and jump in that body of water behind you. On the same note, mental health facilities are not prisons. Your patients are not my patients. Show me some proof that inmates are insufficiently treated for medical conditions. Otherwise, you're totally speculating. Are you really retarded? What point on God's green Earth are you stabbing at?! Please, for the sake of your own dignity and face value, do not voice your claim that you understand English ever again. Oh yes, I am running out of steam, just as I was back when I called Felix the moron he is. You are quickly filling the shoes he left behind, though. I say it is you 3 that ran out of steam some time back when you stopped responding to my points and brought out the condescension as your primary method of defense. I can drag this along as long as you like. I know you'll come, because I hurt your feelings talking about your patients. Heaven forbid that I ever become emotionally attached to an inmate. If all else fails and you can't convince them, then confuse them lol  |
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 30, 2010 11:42:29 GMT -6
Heaven forbid that I ever become emotionally attached to an inmate, fact" or one will loose perspective and emotions also come into play.
Here's your 15 perscriptions now go home and get better.
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Post by phatkat on Jan 30, 2010 11:44:34 GMT -6
Jesus. How many times must I repeat myself?!! I have said in my original post that these are my opinions and have maintained that throughout! No, my job does not teach my opinions. I hope not. Wonder what your superiors would say if they know how you really felt? Sometimes people do something that we don't at all expect, yes, because people have their own reasons that we don't understand. Other people tend to be full of surprises. That's what makes us so damn interesting. To me, labeling people with a chemical imbalance as subhuman is unexpected and irrational....but it happens. Geez, you can't even quote someone. My exact quote was: "Hey, you know what? I know plenty of people with a history of severe depression and I would have them babysit my child in a heartbeat." NOT that I would happily place my child in the care of someone I don't know with a mental illness (which is what you're trying to imply), just like (I hope) you wouldn't place your child in the care of someone you barely know just because they have no history of mental illness. I'm talking about people I know well and trust who had a rough patch in their lives and developed the skills and strength to deal with it. They're doing very well. Possibly better than you are. Not interested in talking. I'm willing to bet my fiancee's way hotter than you anyway. Obviously I was joking, not inviting a critique from someone the same age as my father. Ew. I could find evidence if I decide it's worth the time to look. I used to consult with the psychiatric director (the official title escapes me now, but that's what he was) of two of my state's big prisons. He was a good source of info. Recognizing someone's humanity is not nearly the same as emotional attachment. [/quote] |
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Post by phatkat on Jan 30, 2010 11:47:13 GMT -6
Until then, put on a sweater and jump in that body of water behind you. Who swims in a sweater? Sounds like something someone PSYCHOTIC would do.  |
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Jan 30, 2010 11:58:28 GMT -6
I think Phatkat is a wonderful person and a great friend. Cali is ANYTHING but a troll...Felix is simply Felix...also a wonderful person and very helpful.
But you mcbox, are simply a nut.
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Post by mcbox on Jan 30, 2010 12:47:02 GMT -6
Elric, I specifically remember you making a comment in my specific regard, "Mcbox, you are the man. Honky, you are anything but".
-I'm pretty sure they could care less. I will make it a point to ask my lieutenant, though.
-Lame.
-What facts changed from one quote to the next? I do apologize, as I thought you had at least the common sense to realize that I intended those parameters as known acquaintances, in the very least. I guess I really do need to start drawing you pictures. I can't believe this; I'm ready to quit discussing this with you now, because you have stepped into the undeniably ludicrous. You're telling me that a 'rough patch' in someone's life is the same as being diagnosed with a severe mental illness?
-I've never been offered the cover of GQ or anything, but I can agree with you on one thing: I am undoubtedly old enough to be your father at 31. I was also joking, as I have been happily married for 7 years now to a wonderful woman who is anything but subservient to me.
Ah!, but it is worth the time to look! It is because I don't believe you for one minute. Prove something to me - go on, I dare you to.
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Post by wrench on Jan 30, 2010 13:58:31 GMT -6
Cali, go troll somewhere else. we gotta ask charlene to put a sticky on this quote. priceless. |
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Post by mcbox on Jan 30, 2010 14:05:35 GMT -6
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Post by phatkat on Jan 30, 2010 15:20:29 GMT -6
Elric, I specifically remember you making a comment in my specific regard, "Mcbox, you are the man. Honky, you are anything but". -I'm pretty sure they could care less. I will make it a point to ask my lieutenant, though. -Lame. -What facts changed from one quote to the next? I do apologize, as I thought you had at least the common sense to realize that I intended those parameters as known acquaintances, in the very least. I guess I really do need to start drawing you pictures. I can't believe this; I'm ready to quit discussing this with you now, because you have stepped into the undeniably ludicrous. You're telling me that a 'rough patch' in someone's life is the same as being diagnosed with a severe mental illness? -I've never been offered the cover of GQ or anything, but I can agree with you on one thing: I am undoubtedly old enough to be your father at 31. I was also joking, as I have been happily married for 7 years now to a wonderful woman who is anything but subservient to me. Ah!, but it is worth the time to look! It is because I don't believe you for one minute. Prove something to me - go on, I dare you to. That one was my bad. I gave your profile a quick glance and read your post count as your age. Plus, your antiquated views on mental illness are more of what I would expect from the older crowd. (No offense to anyone else here. Some of you pleasantly buck that stereotype. ) Ah, you change the rules of the game. No matter. I would choose someone I trust, someone my kids liked, someone who happened to be available at the time I needed a sitter. That may or may not include an imperfect mental health history, but as long as I knew that person was taking care of him/herself and was not in the throes of depression or psychosis, I would be good with it. Happy now? I still think it's entirely possible that I'm prettier than you. Here: www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/02/20/20mental.html |
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Post by mcbox on Jan 30, 2010 16:35:27 GMT -6
Touche. It's about time. But they also commented that it is due to the sheer number of them that they are not getting the treatment they need. In no way are they being denied assistance out of indifference. I never changed anything. It's common sense that my scenario would have been defaulted on whether it's safe to leave your child with strangers. C'mon. Yeah, I understand you lack common sense, but that's hardly a new discovery. It's possible:  Not one of my best pics, but it's the only one I have on photobucket at the moment. My wife had taken it just after we had climbed a 700ft. sand dune. Give me a few moments to dig up a reply, I'm cooking and eating dinner soon. |
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Post by brumsongs on Jan 30, 2010 16:37:29 GMT -6
Why the long face?
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Post by mcbox on Jan 30, 2010 17:06:28 GMT -6
Read the post again. It's in there.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 30, 2010 17:24:58 GMT -6
Touche. It's about time. But they also commented that it is due to the sheer number of them that they are not getting the treatment they need. In no way are they being denied assistance out of indifference. I never changed anything. It's common sense that my scenario would have been defaulted on whether it's safe to leave your child with strangers. C'mon. Yeah, I understand you lack common sense, but that's hardly a new discovery. It's possible: Not one of my best pics, but it's the only one I have on photobucket at the moment. My wife had taken it just after we had climbed a 700ft. sand dune. Give me a few moments to dig up a reply, I'm cooking and eating dinner soon. I agree all the education in the world, best schools, does no good at the end if one lacks good ole common sense !!! |
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Post by phatkat on Jan 30, 2010 18:15:26 GMT -6
Touche. It's about time. But they also commented that it is due to the sheer number of them that they are not getting the treatment they need. In no way are they being denied assistance out of indifference. I never changed anything. It's common sense that my scenario would have been defaulted on whether it's safe to leave your child with strangers. C'mon. Yeah, I understand you lack common sense, but that's hardly a new discovery. It's nice to see someone actually willing to post a pic of themselves after criticizing someone else's appearance. I won't return the favor though; this isn't hotornot.com. Here is what you said about me (which is, by the way, untrue): "I'll take it as a given that you would leave your child with anyone with a mental disorder." That's a direct quote. It's also ridiculous, and it certainly sounds like you're implying that I would leave my child with, well, ANYONE with a mental disorder. I didn't know that there were at least some caveats attached to that anyone on your end. No matter. I clarified what I did mean so it would be ridiculous for you to assign my statement any more meaning. I didn't say that inmates were not getting proper medical care out of indifference, although you don't get much more indifferent than to claim that someone isn't human. I also know that the treatment they get or don't get isn't up to you, thank God. |
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Post by mcbox on Jan 30, 2010 20:16:05 GMT -6
I know I look like hell. You can see my right eye is actually swollen from a sty. This pic was taken before I quit smoking, and I wasn't exactly prepared for the trek. I was sort of embarrassed to see a couple twice our age walking back down like nobody's business.  So to settle this straggling argument, which, of the two choices you were given, word for word, would you choose? Knowing what you know now, which is it? Answer, and I won't even bother to debate the issue further. Not with you anyway. I believe Brums owes me a few answers that he has conveniently avoided. He's the one who started all this crap anyhow - it would only be right if he ended it. |
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Post by brumsongs on Jan 31, 2010 6:07:17 GMT -6
People suffering from mental illness are as diverse a group as those who do not. This diversity also exists within those with the same diagnosis. Mental illness is something I would factor in to a babysitting decision along with many other variables- it would not, per se, be a gamebreaker. I still suspect you are confused about the difference between mental illnesss and personality disorders. The latter have no real fixed treatment and are not understood well at all. The very definition of the former is that effective treatment is available. As I am "finishing" this I'll end with a word of caution. be very careful when bandying around terms such as "subhuman." I have, in the past, been treated for mental health issues (There you go Mike5- early Xmas present) and am in a position to tell you definitively that your self confidence in judging the extent of others' humanity (when healthy or not) is misplaced.
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Either quote where I said that I prefer my children to be cared for by the mentally ill or stop saying that I said it...because I didn't.
Seriously though, I know as well as you do that prisons are not mental health treatment facilities, and a number of mentally ill inmates go un- or under-treated while incarcerated. Also, I believe that someone who sees a patient as subhuman will not effectively treat them.
