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Post by stanb on May 23, 2004 13:52:22 GMT -6
It looks like the fed will execute David Paul Hammer on June 8th . He started the web site DeathRowSpeaks. Any comments?
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Post by SylviasDaddy on May 23, 2004 16:14:51 GMT -6
Death Row may still speak, but David Paul will shut up after the Feds Hammer him!
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Post by Macklin on May 28, 2004 18:04:17 GMT -6
Stanb.... You mean this Hammer... who was, convicted of Kidnapping, Robbery with Firearms, and Shooting with Intent to Kill, in the District Court of Oklahoma County, and was sentenced to four hundred (400) years on each count, to be served consecutively, who then murdered inmate Andrew Marti ? www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeID=10895www.iicacp.org/hammer.html What do I think ? The day he is executed....the world will be a little better off than it was a day before he was exceuted.
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Post by Sandman on May 28, 2004 20:36:52 GMT -6
Amen Macklin...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2004 22:04:57 GMT -6
David Hammer has been the "death row poster boy" for years (see): www.deathrowspeaks.info/Hammer is a master manipulator, and not a bad writer, who has been the spokes-thug for this British based website that believes that putting a "human face on the condemned" will generate revulsion to the idea of capital punishment. Of course, this presumes you forget about the victims. Hammer, who was serving 1,200 years BEFORE he murdered a cellmate, has played the "I'm ready to die, ...oops, want 'nother appeal' card" before but may have overplayed his hand this time. All should feel free to post comments at : "webmaster@deathrowspeaks.info" to suggest a replacement spokes-thug once Hammer has exited, stage left. May I suggest you recommend Keith Nelson who also leaves messages professing love for humanity. Nelson abduced, kidnapped, raped, and murdered by strangulation a ten year old child, Pamela Butler, and is now on fedeal death row because he transported the kid across state lines. Suggest you make the point that if Butler can escape death row, what's the point on imposing it for anyone? Let's make him the next poster boy for a DP referendum.
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Post by TexasLady on Jun 2, 2004 9:32:04 GMT -6
Amazing how they appear to be planning a party, complete with a parade and a slumber party, disguised as a "vigil." www.deathrowspeaks.info/protest.htmlHe's also taken donations to pay for his headstone. It's been purchased and stands in wait. I can't read what it says, does anyone know? Who would donate to this? !? And then there is, of course, the book www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?q3=t230cHDnGD8%253dFavorite quotes from the review: This Autobiography tells the true story of a man whose intelligence and abilites earned him the lable of “Oklahoma’s Public Enemy Number One”. Too bad one of his "abilites" isn't spelling. His knack for story telling will transfix the reader with embarrassingly funny tales of outwitting his captors; a life behind bars; and waiting to die on death row. I'll bet his victims and their families will think it's hilarious. I wonder how he manages making "waiting to die on death row" sound "embarrassingly funny." I might get the e version just to see. David spends his time attempting to make amends where possible, and fighting against child abuse. Oh wait! He's reformed! Let's let him go. David has sought to continue his education at his on expense during the years of his incarceration. And he gets the money from where (I'm assuming that's supposed to be "at his own expense".) He just sounds awfully proud of himself. Public Enemy Number One and all that. Where's the remorse?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2004 20:58:46 GMT -6
Whoops....Mr. Hammer has reversed course and is now appealing his sentence......again.
He has done this before. As I said in an earlier post, Hammer is a manipulator and is making his supporters look even more foolish than normal. They'd bought a tombstone, arranged a vigil, solicited testimonials and figured for a moving memorial.
He did to them exactly what he did to his cell mate to whom he'd promised sex if bound, then murdered the guy. Used them for his own purposes. This character was serving over 1,200 years hard time BEFORE he murdered his cellmate.
Not that this is the first time he's claimed he's ready to die, wrote goodbye letters to stir up the anti's, then backed out. Anyone wanting to remind these good folks they're gullible idiots may do so by dropping a note to Kim Ferguson at the following address (but don't expect to see it posted anywhere):
webmaster@deathrowspeaks.info.
Please keep it civil and to the point. Profane rants are selfish indulgences that don't accomplish anything.
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Post by tulipe on Jun 5, 2004 4:06:31 GMT -6
What do I think ? The day he is executed....the world will be a little better off than it was a day before he was exceuted. You think bad, what about life of G.W. Bush who kills so many persons ? Does he deserve death sentence too ? I'm sure you don't want that, still praying and counting . I don't care about David Paul Hammer but he doesn't deserve death sentence . I'm French and proud of that ! ;D
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Post by Macklin on Jun 5, 2004 4:53:28 GMT -6
Tulipe.....You Wrote:
You think bad, what about life of G.W. Bush who kills so many persons ? Does he deserve death sentence too ? I'm sure you don't want that, still praying and counting . I don't care about David Paul Hammer but he doesn't deserve death sentence .I'm French and proud of that !
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No I think pretty darn good.
Personally I do not like war...but when there is war people do get killed. One can not have a war with out having bloodshed. War is not like playing a video game, and that seems to be the way people like you think.
You asks does Bush desrve the DP ? Actually No...because Bush has at least got the guts to go to war instead of letting nuts blow up buildings here with 1000's of men women and children in them.
Like I said I do not like war, but I support Bush and our troops now that they are there. At least they did not show a yellow streak like the French did....That part about being French I wouldn't be to proud about. As far as David Paul Hammer goes, He recieved The DP for his crimes, and that is exactly what he should recieve according to the laws and punishments of the USA.
Now if you feel that strongly that he doesn't deserve the DP...why don't you adopt him, get him a Visa and let him come and live with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2004 15:20:52 GMT -6
You think bad, what about life of G.W. Bush who kills so many persons ? Does he deserve death sentence too ? I'm sure you don't want that, still praying and counting . I don't care about David Paul Hammer but he doesn't deserve death sentence . I'm French and proud of that ! ;D Hi Tulipe ...welcome to the board. First you need to understand Bush didn't kill anyone. Those condemned were murderers who were tried by a jury who fixed their sentence which was appealed automatically through layers of review. It is the citizens of Texas who approved of the death penalty and the citizens of Texas who impose it. The Governor is an official who is elected to carry out the will of the people, not contest it. I'm sure you're proud of being French. I was in France a couple of weeks ago (actually in DeGalle terminal E-2, the one that collapsed). When I visited the airport bookstore I was amazed to see all the anti-US and anti-Bush propaganda on the shelves. Seemed to have everything written by Michael Moore and George Soros in French and English. Someday I hope the truth comes out about your country's handling of the oil-for-food program and oil exploration deals contingent on lifting of sanctions on Iraq. You may have to swallow a little of that pride.
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Post by prodeath on Jun 8, 2004 23:11:02 GMT -6
You think bad, what about life of G.W. Bush who kills so many persons ? Does he deserve death sentence too ? I'm sure you don't want that, still praying and counting . I don't care about David Paul Hammer but he doesn't deserve death sentence . I'm French and proud of that ! ;D Oh lord I knew it was a matter of time before the French chimed in. G.W.Bush is an honorable man, who in the light of crisis took action against the enemies of the world. He has weeded out and either imprisoned or killed alot of people who would of killed millions of people. The French are against the war for three reasons. The French were the largest commerical goods exporter to Iraq. They were making millions of dollars each year off of that arrangement. Second reason is that the French press informs the people of the country to believe that the war is wrong. Third reason is that the French population is made up of 10% muslium. And attacking a Muslium country is bad politics. Because no politian wants to throw away so many votes. These reasons above were the same reasons why the French would not allow us to fly or use thier national waters to transport military supplies and aircraft during the first war with Iraq. To much money at stake. The people of France are for the most parts cowards. They do not like conflict and have proven time and time again that they do not have it in them to defend thier country. So thy shy away from war, in order to remain neutral and make money off of the countries involved. In other words it is another Euro tatic to take pot shots at the American's to keep thier business relation on track with the middle east, all the while knowing the USA would not break off contact and relations for almost anything that they did. Want to buy a French rifle from WW2? It is in mint condition, never fired, dropped once. ProDeath
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Post by tulipe on Jun 10, 2004 15:40:11 GMT -6
French don't have a president like Miterrand, and we do'nt like Bush because we have terrorists attacks more than American . Even if we made nothing . Just a tribute for reagan who killed so many persons with Wars . Now you have again 3 president to kill . Good luck I don't like the most American who pray for their justice and death sentence, my American friends are smart not like those I can meet here .... They prefer Michael Moore than Bush, ironic ? A big man, with a mind a real mind and who doesn't care to bore Stupid American who love death sentence, who love arms, money, and religion . You are poor in your head and heart it 's sad
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2004 17:23:46 GMT -6
French don't have a president like Miterrand, and we do'nt like Bush because we have terrorists attacks more than American . Even if we made nothing . Just a tribute for reagan who killed so many persons with Wars . Now you have again 3 president to kill . Good luck I don't like the most American who pray for their justice and death sentence, my American friends are smart not like those I can meet here .... They prefer Michael Moore than Bush, ironic ? A big man, with a mind a real mind and who doesn't care to bore Stupid American who love death sentence, who love arms, money, and religion . You are poor in your head and heart it 's sad ]Stupid American who love death sentence, who love arms, money, and religion .You are poor in your head and heart it 's sad Very Good Tulipe! Most Americans do love justice, believe in a strong defense, and have faith in God. These are also the people paying their last respects to President Reagan who typified these values. Those Americans who don't share these values tend to be very liberal, very cynical, and contempteous of the American military. I gather that's where you find your American "circle of friends". France has been unable to defend itself for nearly a century now and the U.S. has lead liberation forces twice in the 20th century. France was protected under the NATO nuclear umbrella, even when France withdrew its forces from the organization. When Yugoslavia broke up, it was the U.S., not France, that had to take the lead to resolve the issue because France was unable to do so (as was Germany and the rest of Europe). The U.S. is getting nothing from the war with Iraq except an improvement in world security from the replacement of a terrorist tyranny and the hope of a democratic Arab state. Over the self-interest objections of France. Chirac will not be attending Reagan's funeral, though he is only a short distance away at the G8 conference. The snub is not being missed here and is being added to the list of French insults and treachery. President Bush is going the extra mile to be positive, but the more the French behave like a**holes, the more Senator Kerry's campaign promises of "internationalism" looks like pandering to ingrates. I hope France keeps it up. President Bush will be re-elected in November and French ugliness can claim some of the credit.
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Post by tulipe on Jun 11, 2004 10:40:57 GMT -6
France has been unable to defend itself for nearly a century now and the U.S. has lead liberation forces twice in the 20th century. France was protected under the NATO nuclear umbrella, even when France withdrew its forces from the organization. When Yugoslavia broke up, it was the U.S., not France, that had to take the lead to resolve the issue because France was unable to do so (as was Germany and the rest of Europe). The U.S. is getting nothing from the war with Iraq except an improvement in world security from the replacement of a terrorist tyranny and the hope of a democratic Arab state. Over the self-interest objections of France. Chirac will not be attending Reagan's funeral, though he is only a short distance away at the G8 conference. The snub is not being missed here and is being added to the list of French insults and treachery. President Bush is going the extra mile to be positive, but the more the French behave like a**holes, the more Senator Kerry's campaign promises of "internationalism" looks like pandering to ingrates. I hope France keeps it up. President Bush will be re-elected in November and French ugliness can claim some of the credit. If you know really story of the second war you should know Japoneses were friends with Germans and Japoneses attacked Pearl Arbor for the first thing. The Americans were afraid, because they knew german scientifist were worked out intercontinental missiles for plan to attack America !So before American made nothing, when they feel their country could be attacked they made something, by anticipation for exemple 78 000 deads persons to Hiroshima, 35 000 deads of Nagasaki, 800 000 japonese.So look if American governments had make something for Europa before their exemple Pearl Harbor. In the end of the War don't forget American wanted to be the king of Europa and buit very tall bases to have a feet on our continent and imposed their laws . And fortunately, our General De Gaulle helped french to stay without American bases.Open a book and you will see without acts of the General De Gaulle Europa will speak English ! America is not a democraty but a dictarory and they don't make something for free.Tell me if in Rwanda where there were not any oil, Americans didn't help people of Rwanda, and humanitary help for African people who have been ungry for ages? And why would we say Thanks to a country who still building antipersonal mines who kill thousand of persons every days and who don't care about about ONU laws ! and still refuse to sign the international agreement about pollution when you know America products the most pollution of the world . For this two things I tell you that China and Korea don't sign too and they are dictatory too ! You don't have an amnisty because your country helped our country in the second mondial war, First ! Security of the world exactly, in some months Arabic countries will be attack by your stupid government it i not the security of this par of the world but only interests of your country with oil . We had the unloading to celebrate because we liked the Americans from this generation, but don't forget, the black people were in the first line of the War ... So Chirac couldn't go to the funerals of Reagan an actor who became president like Swarzzi soon ... So you can keep your ideas . Between Kerry or Bush is*crap* or*crap* so .... I really don't care about the new elections in your country because I think if people like you still voting it is really normal to have f..... president like G.W.B. I stop here for all, you don't interest me, I went only for Francis Harris because I'm not for the death sentence or life sentence for a murder !
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Post by GlennF on Jun 11, 2004 14:02:09 GMT -6
If you know really story of the second war you should know Japoneses were friends with Germans and Japoneses attacked Pearl Arbor for the first thing. The Americans were afraid, because they knew german scientifist were worked out intercontinental missiles for plan to attack America !So before American made nothing, when they feel their country could be attacked they made something, by anticipation for exemple 78 000 deads persons to Hiroshima, 35 000 deads of Nagasaki, 800 000 japonese.So look if American governments had make something for Europa before their exemple Pearl Harbor. In the end of the War don't forget American wanted to be the king of Europa and buit very tall bases to have a feet on our continent and imposed their laws . And fortunately, our General De Gaulle helped french to stay without American bases.Open a book and you will see without acts of the General De Gaulle Europa will speak English ! America is not a democraty but a dictarory and they don't make something for free.Tell me if in Rwanda where there were not any oil, Americans didn't help people of Rwanda, and humanitary help for African people who have been ungry for ages? And why would we say Thanks to a country who still building antipersonal mines who kill thousand of persons every days and who don't care about about ONU laws ! and still refuse to sign the international agreement about pollution when you know America products the most pollution of the world . For this two things I tell you that China and Korea don't sign too and they are dictatory too ! You don't have an amnisty because your country helped our country in the second mondial war, First ! Security of the world exactly, in some months Arabic countries will be attack by your stupid government it i not the security of this par of the world but only interests of your country with oil . We had the unloading to celebrate because we liked the Americans from this generation, but don't forget, the black people were in the first line of the War ... So Chirac couldn't go to the funerals of Reagan an actor who became president like Swarzzi soon ... So you can keep your ideas . Between Kerry or Bush is*crap* or*crap* so .... I really don't care about the new elections in your country because I think if people like you still voting it is really normal to have f..... president like G.W.B. I stop here for all, you don't interest me, I went only for Francis Harris because I'm not for the death sentence or life sentence for a murder ! I've never read an article with so much bullsh*t. Thinking back, we British and the Americans should have kept the Germans in France in 1944. If there is any hassle it comes from the French. They have had their ar*ses kicked so many times in history. Remember Agincourt, Waterloo, Franco-Prussian War and WW2 just to name afew? Without help from outside they would be a biotope for frogs. Why the WW2 victors gave them a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council is beyond me, it has obviously gone to their (big) heads. It peeves them no end that Bush dared do something without getting permission from the French. They are a self proclaimed superpower, but just THINKING you're great doesn't mean you are great. If it wasn't for America, then you lot would be goose-stepping around shouting Heil Hitler. Yeah, times change now you apparently are sliming up to the Muslim countries, you obviously didn't want Saddam out of power eh, and who helped the Argentine dictators with Exocet missiles during the Falklands War? You need a Foreign legion to do your dirty work, probably because you can't find anyone who is capable in the whole of France. You keep talking about humaneness, before you criticise other countries try looking at your own history. What about the mass murder of the Huguenots? The Thirty Years War? Your Revolution. Even AFTER your revolution your government murdered thousands of innocents. Then you'll go and say this was a long time ago, what about the French atrocities in Algeria and Indo-China? But innocents have never been your priority, as we can see for your apparent love of murderers when you criticise punishing them. You seem to have gone from one extreme to the other, first mass murdering thousands of innocents and then the exact opposite by demanding murderers to be let loose. P.S. And another thing, you mate De Gaulle was pro death penalty, at least HE still had a little common sense left in him. It was only the traitor to the people Mitterand who abolished it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2004 20:42:10 GMT -6
Amazing how they appear to be planning a party, complete with a parade and a slumber party, disguised as a "vigil." www.deathrowspeaks.info/protest.htmlHe's also taken donations to pay for his headstone. It's been purchased and stands in wait. I can't read what it says, does anyone know? Who would donate to this? !? Best I can make out of it Texaslady It says "The journey _____ _________ and I am forever free" The two blanks may be "has ended"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2004 22:33:14 GMT -6
If you know really story of the second war you should know Japoneses were friends with Germans and Japoneses attacked Pearl Arbor for the first thing. The Americans were afraid, because they knew german scientifist were worked out intercontinental missiles for plan to attack America !So before American made nothing, when they feel their country could be attacked they made something, by anticipation for exemple 78 000 deads persons to Hiroshima, 35 000 deads of Nagasaki, 800 000 japonese.So look if American governments had make something for Europa before their exemple Pearl Harbor. In the end of the War don't forget American wanted to be the king of Europa and buit very tall bases to have a feet on our continent and imposed their laws . And fortunately, our General De Gaulle helped french to stay without American bases.Open a book and you will see without acts of the General De Gaulle Europa will speak English ! America is not a democraty but a dictarory and they don't make something for free.Tell me if in Rwanda where there were not any oil, Americans didn't help people of Rwanda, and humanitary help for African people who have been ungry for ages? And why would we say Thanks to a country who still building antipersonal mines who kill thousand of persons every days and who don't care about about ONU laws ! and still refuse to sign the international agreement about pollution when you know America products the most pollution of the world . For this two things I tell you that China and Korea don't sign too and they are dictatory too ! You don't have an amnisty because your country helped our country in the second mondial war, First ! Security of the world exactly, in some months Arabic countries will be attack by your stupid government it i not the security of this par of the world but only interests of your country with oil . We had the unloading to celebrate because we liked the Americans from this generation, but don't forget, the black people were in the first line of the War ... So Chirac couldn't go to the funerals of Reagan an actor who became president like Swarzzi soon ... So you can keep your ideas . Between Kerry or Bush is*crap* or*crap* so .... I really don't care about the new elections in your country because I think if people like you still voting it is really normal to have f..... president like G.W.B. I stop here for all, you don't interest me, I went only for Francis Harris because I'm not for the death sentence or life sentence for a murder ! Hi Tulipe…<br> I had a problem understanding your post. It was more of an emotional rant than a discussion but let me see if I got your points, (assuming you’re still around). 1. Point: America used atomic weapons on Japan to terrorize Germany because the Germans were working on atomic weapons. Reply. Nope: Germany was defeated before the U.S. bombed Japan. Truman bombed Japan because the alternate was an invasion which would have cost more American and Japanese lives than were lost in the bombing. The shock of Hiroshima and Nagasaki resulted in surrender and the quick rebuild of Japan as a constitutional democracy. Incidentally, the U.S. rebuilt Japan and helped rebuild France after the war 2. Point: America wanted to colonize Europe, and would have done so were it not for DeGaulle. Reply: Not really: In case it missed your attention, the U.S. put DeGaulle’s troops in front of the convoys that liberated Paris and after the surrender of Japan began one of the largest demobilizations in history. Hardly the actions of a nations looking for colonies – who told you that, Michael Moore?? The U.S. forces remaining in Europe protected it from the Soviets including support for Greece during the civil war and support for Germany during the Berlin Airlift 3. America is a dictatorship. If American interests aren’t involved, America doesn’t get involved. Otherwise, why would America not have intervened in Rwanda. Reply: The U.S. tries not to get unilaterally involved in military action where U.S. interests and security are not involved. The American voter wouldn’t stand for it. Are you suggesting France would support it? Then where was France when France had the opportunity to get involved in Rwanda? The U.S. has never had a colony in Africa, France has had plenty. Perhaps you’d like to discuss French policy and tactics in Algeria? 4. Why should anyone thank a nation that: a. Point: Still uses landmines Reply. The U.S. is eliminating all landmines that do not self-destruct or go inert after a specified period of time. However, the U.S. is maintaining security along the Korean DMZ and outposts elsewhere and mines are effective in protecting forces. France doesn’t help anyone but itself so it’s free to criticize. Go ahead and be self-righteous. b. Point: Won’t sign the anti-pollution treaty (Kyoto Protocols?) Reply: The Kyoto accord presume variations in global temperatures are due to greenhouse gases. Not only unproven, but the treaty exempts the huge developing nations such as India and China from identical controls. If accepted, it would crease an economic disaster justified by an unproven theory exempting developing nations dumping increasing amounts of pollutants. c. Point: You forgot to mention the U.S. refuses to join the International Criminal Court (ICC) probably an oversight on your part, so I thought I’d enter it for you. (You can thank me later) Reply: The ICC. I’m sure every third world dictator would like the opportunity to charge the U.S. with war crimes in Brussels. France doesn’t care, France is not a nation with global responsibilities and would like to curtail U.S. influence any way it can. hy should the U.S. agree to a treaty with the U.N. which is putting nations like Sudan on the human rights committee even as they engage in genocide and slavery. Has France objected to this appointment? Why not? The U.S. has. 5. Point. The war in Iraq is about oil and something about “blacks” that doesn’t seem to make sense or fit in, but maybe you were just tired at that point. Reply: :I have no idea what this refers to except that, when all else fails, liberals default to race as some sort of global rationalization. Lets address French racism honestly. The Vichy government, with the collaboration of an unseemly portion of the French population, participated in Jewish Genocide. Anti Semitism in Europe in general, and France (and Germany) in particular seems to be increasing. Perhaps you should pay more attention within your own borders before criticizing the most racially diverse and tolerant nation on the planet Just as a general observation. Obnoxious French behavior is getting annoying and its not just the U.S. Your new E.U. partners in central Europe don’t appreciate the patronization and the British don’t seem much impressed either. There is a saying: “What goes around, comes around”, very similar to the biblical: “what you sew, so shall you reap”. France has sown a field of bile, enjoy the harvest.
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Post by tulipe on Jun 12, 2004 4:04:39 GMT -6
I've never read an article with so much bullsh*t. Thinking back, we British and the Americans should have kept the Germans in France in 1944. If there is any hassle it comes from the French. They have had their ar*ses kicked so many times in history. Remember Agincourt, Waterloo, Franco-Prussian War and WW2 just to name afew? Without help from outside they would be a biotope for frogs. Why the WW2 victors gave them a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council is beyond me, it has obviously gone to their (big) heads. It peeves them no end that Bush dared do something without getting permission from the French. They are a self proclaimed superpower, but just THINKING you're great doesn't mean you are great. If it wasn't for America, then you lot would be goose-stepping around shouting Heil Hitler. Yeah, times change now you apparently are sliming up to the Muslim countries, you obviously didn't want Saddam out of power eh, and who helped the Argentine dictators with Exocet missiles during the Falklands War? You need a Foreign legion to do your dirty work, probably because you can't find anyone who is capable in the whole of France. You keep talking about humaneness, before you criticise other countries try looking at your own history. What about the mass murder of the Huguenots? The Thirty Years War? Your Revolution. Even AFTER your revolution your government murdered thousands of innocents. Then you'll go and say this was a long time ago, what about the French atrocities in Algeria and Indo-China? But innocents have never been your priority, as we can see for your apparent love of murderers when you criticise punishing them. You seem to have gone from one extreme to the other, first mass murdering thousands of innocents and then the exact opposite by demanding murderers to be let loose. P.S. And another thing, you mate De Gaulle was pro death penalty, at least HE still had a little common sense left in him. It was only the traitor to the people Mitterand who abolished it. You don't answer to the real questions, you don't know what answering because you're a b...stard, and you have nothing logical to answer at what I wrote. The frog who laugh a lot because stupidities like that mean so much how much Americans who are for death penalty are so poor in their mind[/b]
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Post by GlennF on Jun 12, 2004 13:53:58 GMT -6
You don't answer to the real questions, you don't know what answering because you're a b...stard, and you have nothing logical to answer at what I wrote. The frog who laugh a lot because stupidities like that mean so much how much Americans who are for death penalty are so poor in their mind [/b] [/quote] I see you got another bout of French sickness! Never mind you should be used to it by now!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2004 12:14:11 GMT -6
You sound like a typical Frenchman, Tulipe, and by that I mean you sound immoral, idiotic, and cowardly.
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Post by tulipe on Jun 13, 2004 13:16:14 GMT -6
You sound like a typical Frenchman, Tulipe, and by that I mean you sound immoral, idiotic, and cowardly. It is so easy to think you're always right ! Death penalty is the most bad thing in this world, I feel you don't think anything but you count, you pray,and you love arms ! it is all, I love Michael Moore, and not stupid men like you ! You have not any arguments to show you're right! It makes me laught . You love so much my country you know only the word Frog ! VERY GOOD ! Do you know Quentin Tarantino who gave the goldpalm of Cannes Festival to Michael Moore, and WE ARE STUPID ... But think think, the most of actors don't like G.W.B, don't want war and you say I sound stupid ! B..stard !
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Post by tulipe on Jun 15, 2004 8:37:36 GMT -6
I like this forum because in France we cannot meet so stupid discussions, with celebration of deaths ! Look at your future président : The world will be very happy with that like president !
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Post by tulipe on Jun 15, 2004 8:38:29 GMT -6
You sound like a typical Frenchman, Tulipe, and by that I mean you sound immoral, idiotic, and cowardly. I'm a girl ... who sounds immoral, idiotic and cowardly ? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2004 9:37:54 GMT -6
Just go back to your brothel and service some more Al-Quaidan Morroccans. Leave such things as rational thought to us Americans, where we can still tell the difference between an innocent life and the life of a depraved murderer. You are clearly unable to think beyond pathetic sloganeering. Try helping someone who needs help if you are such a humanitarian, instead of losing sleep over pyschopathic killers and rapists. Try reading into the life and adventures of Steven Oken, and then try thinking whether your efforts are better served trying to save him or somebody starving to death or dying of AIDS in Africa.
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Post by tulipe on Jun 15, 2004 12:48:56 GMT -6
Just go back to your brothel and service some more Al-Quaidan Morroccans. Leave such things as rational thought to us Americans, where we can still tell the difference between an innocent life and the life of a depraved murderer. You are clearly unable to think beyond pathetic sloganeering. Try helping someone who needs help if you are such a humanitarian, instead of losing sleep over pyschopathic killers and rapists. Try reading into the life and adventures of Steven Oken, and then try thinking whether your efforts are better served trying to save him or somebody starving to death or dying of AIDS in Africa. Don't worry I make and made that !
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Post by Rick Z on Jun 28, 2004 13:39:12 GMT -6
Tulipe,
I must say that I find your French attitude against the Death Penalty as legally exercised in America unsurprising, almost blase, if you will. My question is where were the caring French when Saddam was murdering his innocent subjects (like the Kurds WITH chemical weapons), when the rape rooms were in full swing (no pun intended), when the childrens' prisons were overflowing??? Where were those protests on the Champs de Lysee when those atrocities were occuring??
** sounds of crickets chirping **
Maybe the French people will wake up and from their voluntary slumber when the Eiffel Tower is blown apart by some Islamo-fascist. Until then, keep drinking that espresso and smoking those Galoises while criitizing a country willing to do your dirty work to keep your quaint cafes open and your small minds closed.
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Post by SHD on Jul 1, 2004 16:25:37 GMT -6
Tulipe.....You Wrote: You think bad, what about life of G.W. Bush who kills so many persons ? Does he deserve death sentence too ? I'm sure you don't want that, still praying and counting . I don't care about David Paul Hammer but he doesn't deserve death sentence .I'm French and proud of that ! My Reply: No I think pretty darn good. Personally I do not like war...but when there is war people do get killed. One can not have a war with out having bloodshed. War is not like playing a video game, and that seems to be the way people like you think. You asks does Bush desrve the DP ? Actually No...because Bush has at least got the guts to go to war instead of letting nuts blow up buildings here with 1000's of men women and children in them. Like I said I do not like war, but I support Bush and our troops now that they are there. At least they did not show a yellow streak like the French did....That part about being French I wouldn't be to proud about. As far as David Paul Hammer goes, He recieved The DP for his crimes, and that is exactly what he should recieve according to the laws and punishments of the USA. Now if you feel that strongly that he doesn't deserve the DP...why don't you adopt him, get him a Visa and let him come and live with you. Please strick to commneting on the validity of the death penalty. You dont know the circumstances surrounding the French decision to only support United Nations sanctioned action in Iraq. I served in the M/E with many French airmen and your comment about a "yellow streak" is ill imformed at best.
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Post by english lady on Jul 12, 2004 3:36:44 GMT -6
i think the DP is government murder by proxy, David Paul Hammer should not be executed but given life without parole, what he did was terribly wrong but killing him is not going to bring back the victims. I do not see how it is right for the government to murder someone, surely they are doing exactly the crime that they are punishing someone for.
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Post by Rick Z on Jul 12, 2004 7:13:30 GMT -6
i think the DP is government murder by proxy, . . . I do not see how it is right for the government to murder someone, surely they are doing exactly the crime that they are punishing someone for. No offense, ma'am, but state sanctioned execution is not murder. Murder is "the unlawful, malicious, intentional killing of one human being by another." State sanctioned execution is homicide: "The killing of any human being by another." The difference between the two is one word, but full of import: Unlawful. As far as I remember, our Federal government, and many states, had legislation that was proposed, passed by the appropriate legislative bodies, and enacted into law. When a defendant is proven guilty of murder in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt and sentenced in accordance with the proper guidelines, that makes their executions state sanctioned homicides, hence, lawful.
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Post by english lady on Jul 13, 2004 1:06:50 GMT -6
It may be different wording but in theory it is the same. In my mind no killing is lawful.
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