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Post by CA Resisdent on Jul 5, 2003 20:25:36 GMT -6
Not sure if any of you are following this case or not but wanted to get your input on the direction of this case as well as the likely, not likely death sentence if convicted. Do you think a man with no criminal history, a few bucks in the bank via his parents and a flamboyant attorney (media whore) like Geragos, will ever actually be sentenced to death if convicted of killing his wife and unborn (8 month old) child, then dumping their bodies in the SF Bay? I am for the most part a pro dp supporter but I am also realistic. For the life of me I can not understand the reasoning that California uses when attaching a sentence such as death to a high profile case when it's a known fact that our state really doesn't want to kill murderers or are afraid to do it. Two recent convictions that costs in the millions are Cary Stayner, David Westerfield also comes to mind.. Both very expensive trials. Both resulting in Death Sentences yet the probability of either ever actually seeing the inside of the chamber is less than slim to none... Why does CA continue to dangle this as a false sence of security to the residents of California? I understand the "justice" in it.. I understand the heinousness of the crimes. I also understand that it should apply to the worst (in my book, all "murderers" are the worst regardless of how they kill)... But the truth is that Scott Peterson (ahem. if convicted) will most likely escape that ultimate justice.. Why continue to spend the states resources (which by the way, we are damn near bankrupt in case ya'll haven't heard).... pursuing a sentence that is basically non-exsistent..... ? From what I can tell, a death sentence in CA buys you a nice comfy "protected" environment and a spotlight on your future appeals... Nevermind that they cottle them with all day contact visits 4-5 days each and every week, after all, they murderers have a death sentence hangin over their heads and we should be kinder to them  ... That along with a well balanced diet, rec time from 6am to 1pm....etc. Sounds pretty dam*n good considering the horrors that main population would bring to them..... Just wondering what your thoughts are on California's false presentation of tough on crime or the Peterson case in general.... |
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Post by matthew outside on Jul 5, 2003 23:14:34 GMT -6
thats a typical "love" basket case.....! we do not observe Animals killing their Females so often, do we.....? Uncle Love asks.......are Humans unique because: 1. They use tools.......No!......quite a few animals use tools like Crows, Otters, Chimps etc..... 2. They build dwellings.......No!......many animals build dwellings..... 3. They claim to be "Intelligent"........No!.....many animals have a high degree of intelligence with some like dolphins might even be comparable to that of humans...... No, sorry........Humans are UNIQUE among all the ten million species existing on this planet and all the hundreds of millions to have lived and become extinct, in that they have been "blessed" with the ONLY Female that understands and can be bought with material possesions and money....... (paste in ur browser) vector111.netfirms.com/love.jpg |
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Post by Ed Duncan on Jul 6, 2003 13:00:47 GMT -6
I too, am a "pro reasonable". Only on case by case basis. Neither a "kill em all" pro NOR a "save 'em all" anti. I'm 61, have ties to a DR inmate..
all that being said, you being in CA, and the direction of your message, here's a few serial killers that....be damned, no reason for any of 'em to be alive.
heading the list...
Lawrence "Pliers" Bittaker sentenced '81
Douglas Clark (Sunset Killer) sentenced about ditto.
David (Trailside Killer) Carpenter (probably close to 73yrs old now)
Chas. Ng....y'all know about him, just sentenced recently.
? Suff - little known serial killer
Randy Kraft - considered most prolific serial killer of 'em all.
last by not least.....the Nightstalker.
Ed (I'm up near Buffalo, NY area)
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Post by CA Resident on Jul 6, 2003 18:34:01 GMT -6
Hi Ed... Yes, I too have a link or tie to a DR inmate at San Quentin. He slaughtered my best friend in 1984. I have a strong desire to see this man receive his justice. I don't see that happening. As of right now, he has a voice that reaches many via a website and many, many supporters who encourage him to fight the good fight etc. He not only killed my best friend, he killed four others... Totaling five woman. I am angry to the point of not being able to function at times.... Why is this man still alive and touching other lives after nearly 17 years and counting?  ?? ! Again, I see CA as dangling this as a false sense of security and meanwhile, it's costing millions upon millions... Now Gov. Davis wants the residents of CA to fork over 250 million bucks to rebuild DR at San Quentin because the current situation isn't practical for the forseeable increase in inmates.....Let them live on top of each for all I care.... I would rather have my bucks rebuild our education system or many other worthy causes, thank you very much... No wonder we want a recall on this idiot we call Governor... I know all too well the Serial Killers that reside in CA. I could tell you the horror of having to lock my door while most of them were on the loose around here.. David Carpenter who claimed 14+ lives "Trailside Killer" was killing and leaving bodies in my neighborhood at the time.... I am very familiar with them... And the fact that they are still alive and fighting with our tax money to stay that way, sickens me to my very core. By the way David Carpenter killed in the early 70's only to be paroled and that's when the real killing started.... CA has failed us and I see no change in the future. My main concern is that this whole pursuit of the dreaded "DEATH SENTENCE"... Seems futile and politically motivated... they sure as heck don't have the ability to follow through..... I was just wondering how another Death Sentence for Scott Peterson would somehow be applying justice. I'm sorry you have had to live with this horrible lable.... Victims of crime or survivors of murder victims seem doomed to live a very angry life... I wish I could forget for one day....I bet you do too....  Thanks for responding. |
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Post by Kirk on Jul 6, 2003 19:13:31 GMT -6
Not sure if any of you are following this case or not but wanted to get your input on the direction of this case as well as the likely, not likely death sentence if convicted. Do you think a man with no criminal history, a few bucks in the bank via his parents and a flamboyant attorney (media *deleted*) like Geragos, will ever actually be sentenced to death if convicted of killing his wife and unborn (8 month old) child, then dumping their bodies in the SF Bay? I am for the most part a pro dp supporter but I am also realistic. For the life of me I can not understand the reasoning that California uses when attaching a sentence such as death to a high profile case when it's a known fact that our state really doesn't want to kill murderers or are afraid to do it. Two recent convictions that costs in the millions are Cary Stayner, David Westerfield also comes to mind.. Both very expensive trials. Both resulting in Death Sentences yet the probability of either ever actually seeing the inside of the chamber is less than slim to none... Why does CA continue to dangle this as a false sence of security to the residents of California? I understand the "justice" in it.. I understand the heinousness of the crimes. I also understand that it should apply to the worst (in my book, all "murderers" are the worst regardless of how they kill)... But the truth is that Scott Peterson (ahem. if convicted) will most likely escape that ultimate justice.. Why continue to spend the states resources (which by the way, we are *darn* near bankrupt in case ya'll haven't heard).... pursuing a sentence that is basically non-exsistent..... ? From what I can tell, a death sentence in CA buys you a nice comfy "protected" environment and a spotlight on your future appeals... Nevermind that they cottle them with all day contact visits 4-5 days each and every week, after all, they murderers have a death sentence hangin over their heads and we should be kinder to them ... That along with a well balanced diet, rec time from 6am to 1pm....etc. Sounds pretty dam*n good considering the horrors that main population would bring to them..... Just wondering what your thoughts are on California's false presentation of tough on crime or the Peterson case in general.... My only comment is we aren't being fair to Scott Peterson. We have charged him with the murder of a unborn child. A person isnt a human being until they live outside of their mothers womb. In my opinion this guy shouldnt even be tried for that murder, only for his wife. With giving him the death penalty I agree with you that it will do no good. The guy wont be executed ever. After all Californias last execution was January 2002, when Stephen Anderson was executed. |
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Post by CA Resident on Jul 6, 2003 19:38:58 GMT -6
Ahhhhhh, well without getting into the whole argument of Abortion or right to life issue.... Scott Peterson's child whom they had decided to call Conner, was nearly 8 months .... 7 and 3 weeks in gestation.... He was quite capable of living outside of the womb and would have survived without a doubt... My daughter was born at exactly 8 months and was 9.25 lbs... and fiesty as all hell.... He should very much be charged with that murder. Absolutely..... I believe he should and is being charged with PREMEDITATION Murder 1 of his child... Even if he didn't plan Laci's murder (some think this is the case), while failing to help his unborn child, he premeditated his murder... CA is not being in the least bit unfair to this guy. If he is found to have killed his family, he should have the worst imaginable happen to him and it shouldn't take 17+ years. Unfortunately, that will never, every happen... He will probably marry again, have lot's of pen pals and a nice safe life... he will be behind bars but it's said that it only takes 6 months to adjust... He'll be fine... On the otherhand, his family is dead... |
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Post by heather on Jul 26, 2003 19:21:40 GMT -6
TEXTI agree with you in that Scott should be charged for the killing of both Laci and Connor - but then again I think that most rational human beings would agree with us in that a baby that far along is infact a "human being". Okay so Heather doesn't want to get into the "when is a baby actually alive" arguement so I will move onto another topic....I have watched Fox News (yea their flashy programs have me hooked) rather closely and up until a few weeks ago they were in fact the "Scott Peterson" network. I personally feel that he killed Laci. This crap about a cult and whatnot is just the Defense's way of stirring up the mud in the media and polluting the possible jury pool. Should he be tried - and found guilty - is the DP the answer? He appears to show no remorse...sometimes rather cocky looking....which irritates the hell outta me. I guess I would have to think about a it a little longer but my gutt tells me yes, he should be sentenced to death when and if he is found guilty. But death 20 years from now? Or should he be sentenced to LWOP and be stuck in a cell with "Big Bubby" who likes Scott's pretty little face....hmmmm.....I wonder what Laci's mother and step-father and father want....maybe i once knew and have forgotten..... www.lacipeterson.comhave a good one! heather
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... That along with a well balanced diet, rec time from 6am to 1pm....etc. Sounds pretty dam*n good considering the horrors that main population would bring to them..... 
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