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Post by das on Jun 12, 2003 20:45:08 GMT -6
It's good that they caught up with this Angleton sleaze.
I've always found it interesting that so many believe that Texas has a criminal justice system that fails to give due process to the criminal. The opposite is what we actually have here. Murderers slip through the holes in our justice system all the time. Angleton is a prime example of a rich murderer who hired some flim-flam lawyers and beat the rap. Fortunately the feds weren't buying.
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Accused Houston Killer Arrested In Amsterdam - Thu Jun 12, 2003
Robert Angleton was arrested in Amsterdam and was being held for extradition back to the United States, News2Houston reported Thursday.
Angleton's federal murder-for-hire trial is scheduled to begin in Houston on Monday.
FBI (news - web sites) agents told News2Houston that they were worried that the millionaire former bookie would not show up for his trial.
He is facing federal charges of murder-for-hire after being acquitted in state court for the April 1997 shooting death of his wife, Doris Angleton, at her home in the wealthy Houston neighborhood of River Oaks.
Angleton was arrested at his River Oaks home after a three-count federal indictment accused him of conspiracy to commit murder for hire, murder for hire and a firearms charge.
He was acquitted of his wife's murder, but the FBI contends that it has new evidence.
Angleton has pleaded not guilty.
In 1998, his brother, Roger Angleton, committed suicide in jail and left a note saying that he killed Doris Angleton and that Robert was not involved.
U.S. Marshals will bring Angleton back to the United States.
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Post by Mike on Jun 13, 2003 0:39:59 GMT -6
It's good that they caught up with this Angleton sleaze. I've always found it interesting that so many believe that Texas has a criminal justice system that fails to give due process to the criminal. The opposite is what we actually have here. Murderers slip through the holes in our justice system all the time. Angleton is a prime example of a rich murderer who hired some flim-flam lawyers and beat the rap. Fortunately the feds weren't buying. das ______ Accused Houston Killer Arrested In Amsterdam - Thu Jun 12, 2003 Robert Angleton was arrested in Amsterdam and was being held for extradition back to the United States, News2Houston reported Thursday. Angleton's federal murder-for-hire trial is scheduled to begin in Houston on Monday. FBI (news - web sites) agents told News2Houston that they were worried that the millionaire former bookie would not show up for his trial. He is facing federal charges of murder-for-hire after being acquitted in state court for the April 1997 shooting death of his wife, Doris Angleton, at her home in the wealthy Houston neighborhood of River Oaks. Angleton was arrested at his River Oaks home after a three-count federal indictment accused him of conspiracy to commit murder for hire, murder for hire and a firearms charge. He was acquitted of his wife's murder, but the FBI contends that it has new evidence. Angleton has pleaded not guilty. In 1998, his brother, Roger Angleton, committed suicide in jail and left a note saying that he killed Doris Angleton and that Robert was not involved. U.S. Marshals will bring Angleton back to the United States. Maybe I'm missing something in your post. This man is accused of a crime. He hasn't being found guilty of anything. As a matter of fact, he has been acquitted once before. Why can't you just wait for the outcome of the trial, when all the evidence is presented, before labeling him a murderer and guilty as charged? Being charged does not mean you are guilty. "Due process" includes a trial, you know. Let's hope you don't ever get into some jury chair. |
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Post by Scott on Jun 13, 2003 1:08:54 GMT -6
Well, in most cases, the prosecution would not bring charges unless there was some credible evidence to support conviction. However, in high profile murder cases, there sometimes is a rush to judgment. Das clearly values efficiency over quality. He would rather have a system that was good at punishing the guilty – even if that meant that some innocent people would be falsely convicted. He would rather have a highly productive system that one which is highly accurate. Clearly, the former communist Rumania would be to his liking. Margaret Thatcher actually praised the “iron fist” of Nicolae Ceauçescu. That was a country that had a very minimal crime rate, much like Iraq under Saddam Hussian. In general, hard-line totalitarian states have very low crime rates. What we really need, however, is another president like Richard Nixon – who was the most creative and effective president we’ve had on the crime issue (at least during his first term). Sincerely, Scott Maybe I'm missing something in your post. This man is accused of a crime. He hasn't being found guilty of anything. As a matter of fact, he has been acquitted once before. Why can't you just wait for the outcome of the trial, when all the evidence is presented, before labeling him a murderer and guilty as charged? Being charged does not mean you are guilty. "Due process" includes a trial, you know. Let's hope you don't ever get into some jury chair. |
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Post by das on Jun 13, 2003 5:39:57 GMT -6
Scott - That's not true at all. What I want is a highly productive and accurate system which convicts the guilty and frees the innocent. What we have now in Texas is a criminal justice system that favors the criminal, especially a rich one like Angleton. If you will read the news reports on the Angleton case it's about like reading the OJ case. They guy is as guilty as the Pope is Catholic. His aquittal in State Court was a failure of the system. The Feds know it and that's why they're going after him. das Das clearly values efficiency over quality. He would rather have a system that was good at punishing the guilty ? even if that meant that some innocent people would be falsely convicted. He would rather have a highly productive system that one which is highly accurate. Clearly, the former communist Rumania would be to his liking. Scott |
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Post by Charlene on Jun 13, 2003 9:28:59 GMT -6
Great news; I had not heard that he was missing! Interesting that he is being tried on murder after being acquited. Bet we will hear lots of whining about that! I feel so bad for his twin daughters who have lost their mother and probably their father. It's good that they caught up with this Angleton sleaze. I've always found it interesting that so many believe that Texas has a criminal justice system that fails to give due process to the criminal. The opposite is what we actually have here. Murderers slip through the holes in our justice system all the time. Angleton is a prime example of a rich murderer who hired some flim-flam lawyers and beat the rap. Fortunately the feds weren't buying. das ______ Accused Houston Killer Arrested In Amsterdam - Thu Jun 12, 2003 Robert Angleton was arrested in Amsterdam and was being held for extradition back to the United States, News2Houston reported Thursday. Angleton's federal murder-for-hire trial is scheduled to begin in Houston on Monday. FBI (news - web sites) agents told News2Houston that they were worried that the millionaire former bookie would not show up for his trial. He is facing federal charges of murder-for-hire after being acquitted in state court for the April 1997 shooting death of his wife, Doris Angleton, at her home in the wealthy Houston neighborhood of River Oaks. Angleton was arrested at his River Oaks home after a three-count federal indictment accused him of conspiracy to commit murder for hire, murder for hire and a firearms charge. He was acquitted of his wife's murder, but the FBI contends that it has new evidence. Angleton has pleaded not guilty. In 1998, his brother, Roger Angleton, committed suicide in jail and left a note saying that he killed Doris Angleton and that Robert was not involved. U.S. Marshals will bring Angleton back to the United States. |
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Post by showdog on Jul 13, 2003 13:23:52 GMT -6
No rich people go on death row. There are none at present. This is perhaps the most wildly unfair aspect of our death penalty. Rich folks such as Jon Benet Ramsey's parents, or Ted Kennedy, "agree" to meet with authorities after long negotiations with their $1000/hout lawyers. Poor schmucks who can't afford effective counsel "confess" after two day psycho interrogations with no counsel present.
If we ever did start to execute wealthy murderers, the powers that be would shuit down the DP faster than voltage through Old Sparky. The wealthy go to prisons with golf courses and weekend passes.
No one can seriously argue we apply the penalty fairly. The DP is awarded disproportionately to black folks in southern states with consolation- prize lawyers. The quality of legal counsel is the number one factor in the DP - not the details of the alleged crime. If you agree to give every accused capital criminal a legal dream team , then I'll believe you're interested in justice.
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Post by TheShadow on Jul 13, 2003 14:04:21 GMT -6
No rich people go on death row. There are none at present. This is perhaps the most wildly unfair aspect of our death penalty. Rich folks such as Jon Benet Ramsey's parents, or Ted Kennedy, "agree" to meet with authorities after long negotiations with their $1000/hout lawyers. Poor schmucks who can't afford effective counsel "confess" after two day psycho interrogations with no counsel present. I didn't know that the parents of Jon Benet Ramsey had been charged, little lone found guilty. Also if you look into it there are a few millionaires on Death Row, one of them is a woman from California who had a net worth of over $300,000,000. It stands to reason that there are less millionaires on death row for 2 reasons. 1 there are allot less of them 2. They are less likely to commit a murder If we ever did start to execute wealthy murderers, the powers that be would shuit down the DP faster than voltage through Old Sparky. The wealthy go to prisons with golf courses and weekend passes. Please show me where anyone who was convicted of 1rst degree murder with aggravated factors is doing their time in a white collar crime prisonNo one can seriously argue we apply the penalty fairly. The DP is awarded disproportionately to black folks in southern states with consolation- prize lawyers. The quality of legal counsel is the number one factor in the DP - not the details of the alleged crime. If you agree to give every accused capital criminal a legal dream team , then I'll believe you're interested in justice. Could you please provide proof about this fact? I am not always in favour of the death penalty, but you aren't helping the cause by making comments that you can't back up |
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Post by Bob on Jul 15, 2003 15:26:26 GMT -6
If you came to Canada you would really weep.
Maximum possible sentence - life; with possibility of parole after 25 years; day parole after 22 years.
Crime for which that sentence is available - multiple first degree murder. Kill two people and you've reached the max.; all the rest will be freebees!
Case: Karla Homulka - a notorious sex killer, who with her husband kidnapped, tortured, raped and then killed victims - got just 12 years in prison (where she has been allowed to throw parties and live it up!). She will be out in 2005. Only public outrage has kept her in prison this long. She was eligible for parole already after serving only one-third of her sentence.
We have sex offenders paroled into neighbourhoods where a horrific sex murder has just taken place (happened in Toronto last week); we have a prison in British Columbia with horse riding stables and a golf course; we have a corrections system which funds programs like "breathing together" - apparently sitting together in a circle and "feeling the love".
Be happy for what you've got. Up here the liberals are in charge and you would literally never stop throwing up!
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Post by janto on Jul 31, 2003 14:55:35 GMT -6
Short question: Does Mr. Angleton face the DP or will the procecutor only seek a life sentence?
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