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Post by Ariel on Feb 20, 2009 20:18:50 GMT -6
The funny thing about the DP and LWOP is that they are both death sentences within the prison system. That's a very profound point, Andie. I never looked at it that way before. Thanks for presenting such an unusual angle on this subject.
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Post by Californian on Feb 20, 2009 20:25:16 GMT -6
The funny thing about the DP and LWOP is that they are both death sentences within the prison system. That's a very profound point, Andie. I never looked at it that way before. Thanks for presenting such an unusual angle on this subject. The difference is that LWOP is in place at the sole discretion of the courts and/or legislatures. It could be changed or held against the 8th Amendment by any court, or SCOTUS, now or at any time in the future. Dead is dead. Also, the DP is excellent leverage in getting LWOP pleas. And even if a condemned prisoner dies while awaiting execution, we've confined him (or her) for years or decades under conditions that would be unacceptable to confine those serving LWOP.
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Post by Californian on Feb 20, 2009 20:39:39 GMT -6
From today's AP wire. The last paragraph is especially interesting. Illinois man convicted in 1985 murders releasedJOLIET, Ill. (AP) -- A man sentenced to life for knocking on the door of a home before a drug dealer killed four people inside was released from prison Friday after 24 years.Charles Green, 40, of Chicago, was convicted of first-degree murder in 1986. A judge on Thursday reduced Green's sentence to 40 years and ordered him released, assistant public defender Timothy Leeming said. Prosecutors alleged that Green, then 16, was paid $25 by drug dealer Derrick House to knock on a rival drug dealer's door in 1985. Once inside, House allegedly stabbed, shot and burned four people to death. Green appealed his conviction, saying he was not at the crime scene. A Cook County judge ruled in August 2007 that Green was entitled to a new sentencing hearing, though not a new trial. He left the Stateville Correctional Facility on Friday, said Illinois Department of Corrections spokeswoman Januari Smith. House received the death penalty but was released in 2006 after the Illinois Supreme Court reduced his sentence.tinyurl.com/d95pog
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Post by gman on Feb 20, 2009 22:04:23 GMT -6
And, yes, put into the correct context, your comments made perfect sense. Remind me to stop posting after midnight then, always end up having to explain stuff the next morning. Posters remorse.
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 20, 2009 23:32:48 GMT -6
There are some lifers who get attention. Charles Manson, Eric and Lyle Menendez. I'm sure Dennis Rader probably gets his share of love letters too. But they're special 'Course, if I had my druthers, there'd be no opportunity for them to make new friends. Me too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 8:51:23 GMT -6
And, yes, put into the correct context, your comments made perfect sense. Remind me to stop posting after midnight then, always end up having to explain stuff the next morning. Posters remorse. <taps G's shoulder> stop posting after midnight
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 8:57:42 GMT -6
From today's AP wire. The last paragraph is especially interesting. Illinois man convicted in 1985 murders releasedJOLIET, Ill. (AP) -- A man sentenced to life for knocking on the door of a home before a drug dealer killed four people inside was released from prison Friday after 24 years.Charles Green, 40, of Chicago, was convicted of first-degree murder in 1986. A judge on Thursday reduced Green's sentence to 40 years and ordered him released, assistant public defender Timothy Leeming said. Prosecutors alleged that Green, then 16, was paid $25 by drug dealer Derrick House to knock on a rival drug dealer's door in 1985. Once inside, House allegedly stabbed, shot and burned four people to death. Green appealed his conviction, saying he was not at the crime scene. A Cook County judge ruled in August 2007 that Green was entitled to a new sentencing hearing, though not a new trial. He left the Stateville Correctional Facility on Friday, said Illinois Department of Corrections spokeswoman Januari Smith. House received the death penalty but was released in 2006 after the Illinois Supreme Court reduced his sentence.tinyurl.com/d95pog Murder 4 people and be out in less time than a juvenile who knocked on a door.
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Post by Ariel on Feb 21, 2009 9:52:47 GMT -6
That's a very profound point, Andie. I never looked at it that way before. Thanks for presenting such an unusual angle on this subject. The difference is that LWOP is in place at the sole discretion of the courts and/or legislatures. It could be changed or held against the 8th Amendment by any court, or SCOTUS, now or at any time in the future. Dead is dead. Also, the DP is excellent leverage in getting LWOP pleas. And even if a condemned prisoner dies while awaiting execution, we've confined him (or her) for years or decades under conditions that would be unacceptable to confine those serving LWOP. I'm impressed by your frankness, Robert. I support the death penalty but I can't see why death row inmates should be serving their confinement 'under conditions that would be unacceptable to confine those serving LWOP.' Except for some very unusual special cases, there seems no good reason to treat the two sets of prisoners differently.
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Post by Californian on Feb 21, 2009 10:00:25 GMT -6
Except for some very unusual special cases, there seems no good reason to treat the two sets of prisoners differently. Perhaps it's because the condemned prisoner knows that someday, it might be possible that he'll be strapped to a gurney and lethally injected? Yeesh.
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Post by deathcub2000 on Feb 23, 2009 13:03:16 GMT -6
I apologize for not giving credit to the quote, but in essence it was once the death penalty becomes LWOP, then the anti death penalty/LWOP people will try to change the law to a prision sentance with the possibility of parole, because, as you know, people change in prison and deserve another chance. I honestly believe that one of the reason that many lawyers are against the death penalty is that once a prisioner is executed, they will not have a chance at that person being a client. I understand that there is a lot of legal work being done pro bono for death penalty inmates, but how much pro bono work is being done for the accused who are being accused of non-death penalty , non-lwop prisioners? The attourneys profit much more if they can represent the same clients over and over again.
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Post by deathcub2000 on Feb 23, 2009 13:04:10 GMT -6
Sorry, I HAVE to spell check my work before I send it out.
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Post by kingsindanger on Feb 23, 2009 22:25:58 GMT -6
The funny thing about the DP and LWOP is that they are both death sentences within the prison system. Especially in CA and MD.
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