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Post by mst3k4evur on Dec 6, 2008 14:12:33 GMT -6
I was looking for info on exonerated inmates criminal histories before and after they landed on death row. The claims of Amnesty, DPIC and CCADP would have us believe they are innocent but the violent criminal behavior of those I've found so far seems to indicate they were violent offenders who were released on procedural grounds or because of the weakness of the evidence against them-NOT ACTUAL INNOCENCE.
I've added the criminal histories of these inmates to the wikipedia page on exonerated inmates but I wanted to expand it. Can anyone add names to this list?
Florida Robert Cox: Currently serving a life sentence for armed robbery of a child as a repeat offender after serving an 18 year sentence for kidnapping and assault with a deadly weapon. Also the primary suspect in a triple homicide.
Anthony Ray Peek: Currently serving a life sentence for Sexual Battery.
Willie Brown: Currently serving life for crimes including bank robbery and battery.
Anthony Brown: Currently serving 33 years on drug and firearms charges.
Andrew Golden: 15 years for child molestation.
Joseph Spaziano: Pled guilty to 2nd degree murder after murder conviction and death sentence thrown out. Also serving 50 years for kidnapping, rape and attempted murder.
Illinois Aaron Patterson: Now serving 30 years for heroin trafficking.
Stanley Howard: Now serving 50 years for unrelated kidnapping and rape of two young women and the rape of an elderly woman in her home.
Arizona James Robinson: Later pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit murder, his target was a witness against him in his murder trial.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Dec 6, 2008 14:57:09 GMT -6
Found another one from Florida: Robert Earl Hayes: Plead guilty to manslaughter and arson in a 1987 rape/murder in New York in 2004. He is serving 15 to 45 years. He is also a suspect in several rapes. www.fadp.org/news/Utica-20041119.htm
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Post by me1 on Dec 7, 2008 12:22:07 GMT -6
There one guy on youtube who got freed from death row and is now back in the comunity even though he did the crime!
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Post by me1 on Dec 7, 2008 12:55:43 GMT -6
He blatently looks like a perverted rapist too lol.
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Post by Donnie on Dec 7, 2008 19:03:19 GMT -6
I've added the criminal histories of these inmates to the wikipedia page on exonerated inmates but I wanted to expand it. Can anyone add names to this list? Be sure to check the wikipedia page periodically to put it back on after it has been deleted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 15:55:44 GMT -6
I looked at this page today and I think its a good idea to update it with subsequent crimes. I'd also like to see a list of the crimes for which they were convicted. I suspect that most of these fellows have a pretty scary criminal history to begin with. I think most people get this idea that these people are just some random person off the street that got caught up in an investigation. A lot of people think it could happen to anybody and now that these people are exonorated, they are safe to be around. I'm convinced that if people knew the truth of the situation, support for the death penalty would increase.
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Post by mike5 on Jan 3, 2009 16:57:12 GMT -6
I believe Dudley Sharp has the most in depth article about the so called exoneration list.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 3, 2009 17:14:07 GMT -6
I believe Dudley Sharp has the most in depth article about the so called exoneration list. Dudley Sharpe? Where is that fat little budda? Have'nt heard anything at all from him for years. He used to spout soem crap with his efforts to try to prove God and the bible support the death penalty. What a comedian and utter bullshyter! ;D
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Post by mike5 on Jan 3, 2009 17:19:18 GMT -6
I believe Dudley Sharp has the most in depth article about the so called exoneration list. Dudley Sharpe? Where is that fat little budda? Have'nt heard anything at all from him for years. He used to spout soem crap with his efforts to try to prove God and the bible support the death penalty. What a comedian and utter bullshyter! ;D Must be a different person. The one whose articles I have read are in depth legal analysis which of course would be way above your pointed little head. Do you read stuff you post? It's 99% *bullcrap*.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 3, 2009 17:23:49 GMT -6
Dudley Sharpe? Where is that fat little budda? Have'nt heard anything at all from him for years. He used to spout soem crap with his efforts to try to prove God and the bible support the death penalty. What a comedian and utter bullshyter! ;D Must be a different person. The one whose articles I have read are in depth legal analysis which of course would be way above your pointed little head. Do you read stuff you post? It's 99% *bullcrap*. I kinda figured he's have some dumbshyte fan here somewhere. "Dud"ley is full of shyte, cant really debate and the one occasion we did lock horns he cut and ran crying that he was some sort of International experet and I should just accept his crap without question. A complete fake and grandiose individual full of himself, a complete buffoon, Joe P is trying to emulate him. ;D ;D
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Post by Donnie on Jan 3, 2009 19:54:36 GMT -6
He used to spout soem crap with his efforts to try to prove God and the bible support the death penalty. It is quite clear that God and Jesus support the death penalty for murder. There is not anything in the Bible to the contrary.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 3, 2009 19:55:53 GMT -6
He used to spout soem crap with his efforts to try to prove God and the bible support the death penalty. It is quite clear that God and Jesus support the death penalty for murder. There is not anything in the Bible to the contrary. Uh, and that makes it clear? Well I sure am glad for you!
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 3, 2009 19:56:30 GMT -6
There one guy on youtube who got freed from death row and is now back in the comunity even though he did the crime! He looks nicer than you sound.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 6, 2009 12:15:53 GMT -6
Sorry to sound dense, but want to understand what you are posting. Are the men on your list reoffenders or you want to know if they are reoffenders? Are the crimes you list ones they were exonerated from or ones they are still charged w/committing?
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Post by Tim S on Jan 6, 2009 12:20:55 GMT -6
He used to spout soem crap with his efforts to try to prove God and the bible support the death penalty. It is quite clear that God and Jesus support the death penalty for murder. There is not anything in the Bible to the contrary. So does that mean that God and Jesus rule the USA?
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Post by Tracy on Jan 6, 2009 12:48:44 GMT -6
Interesting info mst3k, proof exonerated doesnt always mean innocent.
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Post by gillypod on Jan 6, 2009 13:21:34 GMT -6
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Post by mst3k4evur on Jan 6, 2009 13:35:54 GMT -6
Sorry to sound dense, but want to understand what you are posting. Are the men on your list reoffenders or you want to know if they are reoffenders? Are the crimes you list ones they were exonerated from or ones they are still charged w/committing? I'm looking for information on men who have been released from death row and have committed violent crimes AFTER release. The above crimes are all crimes they were convicted of after they were 'exonerated'. I believe this shows they were likely guilty of the original crimes and therefor they have 'reoffended'. Robert Earl Hayes being a prime example.
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Post by Tracy on Jan 6, 2009 13:39:27 GMT -6
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Post by gillypod on Jan 6, 2009 13:45:28 GMT -6
Thanks Tracy - There are not a lot of offenders who have been released according to the TDJC site - gotta love the google
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 6, 2009 14:14:39 GMT -6
Sorry to sound dense, but want to understand what you are posting. Are the men on your list reoffenders or you want to know if they are reoffenders? Are the crimes you list ones they were exonerated from or ones they are still charged w/committing? I'm looking for information on men who have been released from death row and have committed violent crimes AFTER release. The above crimes are all crimes they were convicted of after they were 'exonerated'. I believe this shows they were likely guilty of the original crimes and therefor they have 'reoffended'. Robert Earl Hayes being a prime example. Here we may differ as I do believe the past crimes can show a pattern only if related to the current charges before them....for instance, a small time theif's record isn't relevant, imo, if he were facing charges of sexual assault of children. In fact, if there were doubts of guilt, the previous record and lack of relevance to the current case would point me the other way.... Patterson in Illinois is an example...unless he was on dr for a drug related murder, what relevance is his drug trafficking? However, if Golden in Florida was exonerated for the murder of a child and he is serving 15 years for molestation, then that's germaine. Here is where my legal cap goes on and I want to look at each exoneration on its merits and I have to consider that ex-cons are usual suspects when bad things happen around them. Overall, it would help to know what they were exonerated of and no I don't expect you to do that much research...I'll look. But great question and I'm intrigued enough now to want to find out more.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Jan 6, 2009 16:22:35 GMT -6
I'm looking for information on men who have been released from death row and have committed violent crimes AFTER release. The above crimes are all crimes they were convicted of after they were 'exonerated'. I believe this shows they were likely guilty of the original crimes and therefor they have 'reoffended'. Robert Earl Hayes being a prime example. Here we may differ as I do believe the past crimes can show a pattern only if related to the current charges before them....for instance, a small time theif's record isn't relevant, imo, if he were facing charges of sexual assault of children. In fact, if there were doubts of guilt, the previous record and lack of relevance to the current case would point me the other way.... Patterson in Illinois is an example...unless he was on dr for a drug related murder, what relevance is his drug trafficking? However, if Golden in Florida was exonerated for the murder of a child and he is serving 15 years for molestation, then that's germaine. Here is where my legal cap goes on and I want to look at each exoneration on its merits and I have to consider that ex-cons are usual suspects when bad things happen around them. Overall, it would help to know what they were exonerated of and no I don't expect you to do that much research...I'll look. But great question and I'm intrigued enough now to want to find out more. Thanks Lotus. I forgot about the 'usual suspects' problem. I started posting this stuff on wikipedia about a year ago because the exoneration lists gave the impression actual innocence and the idea that a wrongful death sentence could happen to any law abiding citizen. Many of the exonerated (the exception being the likes of Kirk Bloodsworth and Ray Krone) are felons who have committed similar crimes in the past. If you look at the Michael Blair exoneration(which looks to be a case of actual innocense) he was a suspect in the rape and murder of a child because he was a convicted sex offender and plead guilty to molesting three other girls around the same time as the murder. Patterson was convicted of a street robbery and double murder, something I imagine he would be capable of as a feared gang member(by his own admission) before his death sentence. His ability to traffic millions of dollars in heroin speaks to his status in organized crime. Robert Cox was sentenced to death for a murder during an attempted rape in Florida only after he was arrested for kidnapping and assault charges in the attempted rapes of a young woman and a young girl in California. His case was dismissed because while circumstances and his lies investigators pointed to guilt, the Florida Supreme Court felt there was not enough evidence to support a conviction. He was also the prime suspect in a tripple-murder in Missouri. Joseph Spaziano managed to get his death sentence overturned but is still serving a 50 year sentence in the rape, kidnapping and attempted murder of a young woman around the same time as the murder. The two crimes were identical except in that one victim survived.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2009 22:01:18 GMT -6
Okay, so how will you present Curtis McCarty?
The crimes took place in this order: Pam Willis - raped and murdered - 1982 Janelle Fowler - raped and murdered - 1983 unnamed 14 year old - raped - 1985
The legal interaction took place in this order: 1983 - He took the police to the body of Fowler in exchange for his freedom and testimony against an accomplice. 1986 - He was convicted of the Willis murder and the 14 year old's rape. He served his time for the rape while on death row for the Willis murder. 2007 - He was exonorated for the Willis murder.
I think I've got that right. Its pretty confusing. But, I think it definitely shows a pattern.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 7, 2009 9:28:54 GMT -6
Okay, so how will you present Curtis McCarty? The crimes took place in this order: Pam Willis - raped and murdered - 1982 Janelle Fowler - raped and murdered - 1983 unnamed 14 year old - raped - 1985 The legal interaction took place in this order: 1983 - He took the police to the body of Fowler in exchange for his freedom and testimony against an accomplice. 1986 - He was convicted of the Willis murder and the 14 year old's rape. He served his time for the rape while on death row for the Willis murder. 2007 - He was exonorated for the Willis murder. I think I've got that right. Its pretty confusing. But, I think it definitely shows a pattern. I would say the reason for exoneration is crucial. Was it technical matters that blew the case or was it forensic evidence that didn't match up. I was talking this out last night w/my husband and have to say that my emotional gut response is "oops" if we execute a multiple rapist or murderer who just didn't murder "this" person... but that's the beauty and curse of law. There are the facts and then there is law. Sometimes they mesh and serve justice and sometimes they collide and justice is twarthed. It's a frustration any attorney will tell you in any area of law that does happens and when it does it *deleted* off the losing side.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 7, 2009 9:38:15 GMT -6
Here we may differ as I do believe the past crimes can show a pattern only if related to the current charges before them....for instance, a small time theif's record isn't relevant, imo, if he were facing charges of sexual assault of children. In fact, if there were doubts of guilt, the previous record and lack of relevance to the current case would point me the other way.... Patterson in Illinois is an example...unless he was on dr for a drug related murder, what relevance is his drug trafficking? However, if Golden in Florida was exonerated for the murder of a child and he is serving 15 years for molestation, then that's germane. Here is where my legal cap goes on and I want to look at each exoneration on its merits and I have to consider that ex-cons are usual suspects when bad things happen around them. Overall, it would help to know what they were exonerated of and no I don't expect you to do that much research...I'll look. But great question and I'm intrigued enough now to want to find out more. Thanks Lotus. I forgot about the 'usual suspects' problem. I started posting this stuff on wikipedia about a year ago because the exoneration lists gave the impression actual innocence and the idea that a wrongful death sentence could happen to any law abiding citizen. Many of the exonerated (the exception being the likes of Kirk Bloodsworth and Ray Krone) are felons who have committed similar crimes in the past. If you look at the Michael Blair exoneration(which looks to be a case of actual innocense) he was a suspect in the rape and murder of a child because he was a convicted sex offender and plead guilty to molesting three other girls around the same time as the murder. Patterson was convicted of a street robbery and double murder, something I imagine he would be capable of as a feared gang member(by his own admission) before his death sentence. His ability to traffic millions of dollars in heroin speaks to his status in organized crime. Robert Cox was sentenced to death for a murder during an attempted rape in Florida only after he was arrested for kidnapping and assault charges in the attempted rapes of a young woman and a young girl in California. His case was dismissed because while circumstances and his lies investigators pointed to guilt, the Florida Supreme Court felt there was not enough evidence to support a conviction. He was also the prime suspect in a tripple-murder in Missouri. Joseph Spaziano managed to get his death sentence overturned but is still serving a 50 year sentence in the rape, kidnapping and attempted murder of a young woman around the same time as the murder. The two crimes were identical except in that one victim survived. Unfortunately with the men you bring up it sounds like bad guys got away with one they didn't do and as I said in my post to factsofthecase, it's a downfall of the legal process. In the Spaziano case it definitely sounds like he picked the "right" victim and the prosecution picked the "wrong" victim to prosecute. IMO, your info would serve to further push prosecutors away from pleading out remaining death eligible cases where the defendant has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death in one case. Hold that out in abeyance to get him with at a later date... course as I type this my mind instantly goes to problems with that stance. Everything from witness testimony over time diminishing, forensic evidence at risk of being lost or damaged.... etc. Maybe there's not a good answer and that's as pathetic a non-answer as I can give. The law is fallible but overall it works when used to the fullest measure. You can only pray you get it right the first time to assure no further victims. This isn't the movie Minority Report, pre-crimes units don't exist, so you sadly have to hold those accountable after the crime and try and enact as much prevention as possible, but even then it doesn't often work. I really hate this topic now. You bummed me out! j/k but it does make the vigilante argument stronger when you look at felon after felon seemingly getting away with other heinous crimes b/c he was improperly prosecuted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 12:33:32 GMT -6
Vigilantism is definitely not the answer. I hate to even see that word mentioned. But, warning people, and educating the public on the real inner workings of the death penalty are the right things to do. I accept that the legal system isn't perfect. I don't see these cases as winning and losing. I see these cases with fear and danger. This posting didn't bum me out. It made me feel better. A lot better.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 7, 2009 12:52:50 GMT -6
Vigilantism is definitely not the answer. I hate to even see that word mentioned. But, warning people, and educating the public on the real inner workings of the death penalty are the right things to do. I accept that the legal system isn't perfect. I don't see these cases as winning and losing. I see these cases with fear and danger. This posting didn't bum me out. It made me feel better. A lot better. I'm against viligilantism is all cases... all cases...that being said, I am bummed when a criminal gets heralded as an exonoree in the public until you do a check on his actual crimes and realize he probably should be on death row. This is where I see your fear and danger, so we are just using different words for the same responses I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 16:19:01 GMT -6
I agree with you, Lotus Flower. Even the reason for the exonorations are tricky, and must be thoroughly examined. Take my example, again. This guy was exonorated because the DNA for the semen didn't match his. On the surface, that seems pretty straight forward.
But, he admitted he was there to the police, the unusual murder weapon was manufactured at his employment, they had his fingerprints, and he used this exact same excuse (I was there, but my friend did it) in the other murder. Just because the semen wasn't his, doesn't mean he wasn't there.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Jan 7, 2009 23:53:15 GMT -6
Thanks Lotus. I forgot about the 'usual suspects' problem. I started posting this stuff on wikipedia about a year ago because the exoneration lists gave the impression actual innocence and the idea that a wrongful death sentence could happen to any law abiding citizen. Many of the exonerated (the exception being the likes of Kirk Bloodsworth and Ray Krone) are felons who have committed similar crimes in the past. If you look at the Michael Blair exoneration(which looks to be a case of actual innocense) he was a suspect in the rape and murder of a child because he was a convicted sex offender and plead guilty to molesting three other girls around the same time as the murder. Patterson was convicted of a street robbery and double murder, something I imagine he would be capable of as a feared gang member(by his own admission) before his death sentence. His ability to traffic millions of dollars in heroin speaks to his status in organized crime. Robert Cox was sentenced to death for a murder during an attempted rape in Florida only after he was arrested for kidnapping and assault charges in the attempted rapes of a young woman and a young girl in California. His case was dismissed because while circumstances and his lies investigators pointed to guilt, the Florida Supreme Court felt there was not enough evidence to support a conviction. He was also the prime suspect in a tripple-murder in Missouri. Joseph Spaziano managed to get his death sentence overturned but is still serving a 50 year sentence in the rape, kidnapping and attempted murder of a young woman around the same time as the murder. The two crimes were identical except in that one victim survived. Unfortunately with the men you bring up it sounds like bad guys got away with one they didn't do and as I said in my post to factsofthecase, it's a downfall of the legal process. In the Spaziano case it definitely sounds like he picked the "right" victim and the prosecution picked the "wrong" victim to prosecute. IMO, your info would serve to further push prosecutors away from pleading out remaining death eligible cases where the defendant has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death in one case. Hold that out in abeyance to get him with at a later date... course as I type this my mind instantly goes to problems with that stance. Everything from witness testimony over time diminishing, forensic evidence at risk of being lost or damaged.... etc. Maybe there's not a good answer and that's as pathetic a non-answer as I can give. The law is fallible but overall it works when used to the fullest measure. You can only pray you get it right the first time to assure no further victims. This isn't the movie Minority Report, pre-crimes units don't exist, so you sadly have to hold those accountable after the crime and try and enact as much prevention as possible, but even then it doesn't often work. I really hate this topic now. You bummed me out! j/k but it does make the vigilante argument stronger when you look at felon after felon seemingly getting away with other heinous crimes b/c he was improperly prosecuted. Oh I'm not bashing the legal system, simply looking to provide background on the exonerated that DPIC never will. I was hoping people would be able to add to what I;ve already found. (Thanks factsofthecase ) As for vigilantism, leave that to people like... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 23:20:16 GMT -6
Mst3k4evur: I was reading some articles by Dudley Sharp and came across the following from this link. A good article. Dudley posits that 84% of the exonerees are actually guilty of the crime for which they were exonerated. That means that only 20 of the 130 listed are actually innocent of the crime for which they were convicted. homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/the-innocence-fraud-of-death-penalty-opponents.aspxClarence Smith -- he was removed from the "innocents" list when it was pointed out that this supposedly innocent defendant was convicted in federal court of charges which included the murder for which he had been acquitted in the Louisiana state court. Delbert Tibbs - the Florida Supreme Court candidly conceded that it should not have reversed Tibbs' conviction since the evidence was legally sufficient. The state prosecutor stated that "Tibbs was never an innocent man wrongly accused. He was a lucky human being. He was guilty, he was lucky and now he is free." Richard Neal Jones-- At the very least, Jones was present at the murder scene and a party to the conspiracy leading to the murder. His culpability would appear to be no less than that of the actual murderers. Jerry Bigelow-- conviction and death sentence were reversed for a reasons unrelated to his guilt. Patrick Croy-- There was no dispute Croy killed the police officer. John C. Skelton-- the court majority explained: “ . . . the evidence against appellant leads to a strong suspicion or probability that appellant committed the capital offense . . ." Dale Johnston-- Prior to retrial, the court excluded incriminating statements Johnston made during his initial interrogation as well as incriminating evidence seized due to the interrogation. The prosecution then dismissed the case. Jimmy Lee Mathers-- The dissent points out that there was still ample evidence of Mathers’ guilt Bradley Scott-- the available circumstantial evidence "could only create a suspicion that Scott committed this murder." Jay C. Smith-- the appeals court explained, “Our confidence in Smith’s convictions for the murder of Susan Reinert and her two children is not the least bit diminished -- if anything, the courts have repeatedly reaffirmed their conclusion that Smith was “actually guilty”. Smith’s inclusion on the DPIC List is a “false exoneration” at its most extreme. Andrew Golden-- the state court noted as follows: "The finger of suspicion points heavily at Golden. A reasonable juror could conclude that he more likely than not caused his wife's death." Troy Lee Jones--The California Supreme Court held that while the evidence of Jones’ guilt was not overwhelming, it still suggested Jones’ guilt. Benjamin Harris--Harris admitted taking turns with Bonds in shooting Turner and admitted having a motive to murder Turner. Robert Hayes-- Nothing about Hayes’ retrial changes the appeals court’s original observation that evidence existed to establish Hayes’ guilt. Jeremy Sheets-- The appellate court decision explains that Sheets was convicted of a racially motivated murder of a young African American girl. The evidence of Sheets’ guilt included the tape-recorded statements of an accomplice named Barnett, who had died prior to Sheets’ trial. The Nebraska Supreme Court reversed the conviction because Sheets could not cross-examine the dead accomplice. Larry Osborne-- A friend and potential accomplice, who died prior to trial, implicated Osborne in a grand jury proceeding. However, this witness then died prior to the first trial. His grand jury testimony was read at Osborne’s first trial and that conviction was reversed because there was no opportunity for Osborne to cross-examine the witness. On retrial, without the grand jury testimony of the dead witness, the prosecution had insufficient evidence to convince the jury of Osborne’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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