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Post by Breka on May 17, 2008 2:49:07 GMT -6
Decades on death row - how is this possible - Just learned that at Florida one deceased on natural cause after spending several decades on death row - and there are some more
What I do not understand - Why can it last that long ?
Would it be better that after a defined time- a death sentence "expires" and be commuted to LWOP ?
If the process in a specific case last that long (more than 10 years) could it be that there are some doubts about to use DP - otherwise they would have gone for it ?
I think to "host" a death-row inmate cost more (per head) than a usual quest in a state facility !
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2008 4:37:42 GMT -6
Thats why you should knock them A.S.A.P
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Post by rick4404 on May 17, 2008 9:09:04 GMT -6
The reason why most state death row inmates spend decades before their executions are carried out is pretty simple. It's the lawyers. Inmates attorneys spend a considerable amount of time filing every last habeas appeal they can come up with in the hopes stalling their client's executions for as long as possible.
Some inmates have been on death row for over twenty years. Others have been executed with what would be considered lightning dispatch (less than 10 years).
It all depends upon how vigorously each state through its attorney general is willing to defend each of these appeals. Some states like California don't put up much of a fight and that's why death row at San Quentin is bursting at the seams and they hardly execute anyone.
Other states are more vigorous than others in defending the various appeals that come along. Texas has a complete section of its attorney general's office which is solely dedicated to the responsibility of representing the State of Texas in the various death penalty appeals. The assistant attorney generals who work in that division only work on capital punishment cases. It would seem that's why Texas carries out more executions by far than any other state. They're willing to vigorously defend the state's position.
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Post by Bull on May 22, 2008 19:48:17 GMT -6
Richard Austin- TN DR since DP reinstated in '77-'78
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Post by trogdor on May 24, 2008 2:53:07 GMT -6
Decades on death row - how is this possible - Just learned that at Florida one deceased on natural cause after spending several decades on death row - and there are some more What I do not understand - Why can it last that long ? Frivolous appeals, retrials, crap like that This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Wrong reasoning. Making frivolous appeal after frivolous appeal has nothing to do with doubt about using the DP. It's about the murderous scum and their slimebag attorneys stooping to whatever level possible to deny justice from being carried out. Host? Usual quest? I have no idea what you are talking about here.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2008 5:19:35 GMT -6
Decades on death row - how is this possible - Just learned that at Florida one deceased on natural cause after spending several decades on death row - and there are some more What I do not understand - Why can it last that long ? Would it be better that after a defined time- a death sentence "expires" and be commuted to LWOP ? If the process in a specific case last that long (more than 10 years) could it be that there are some doubts about to use DP - otherwise they would have gone for it ? Are you saying that it cost more money per head to feed,clothe, watch,transport,& attorneys,etc...etc..than the usual main stream inmate..
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Post by crappieboy on May 30, 2008 6:02:16 GMT -6
These lawyers spend years on details for appeals. But they never deny their client is innocent of murder. It all becomes side tracked. Victims are forgotten. Justice for victims forgotten. Speed forgotten. Witnesses are forgotten, can't remember, or die. Paperwork is repeated so many times names and events are jumbled. That is what defense lawyers want. Justice system for murdered victims is nothing but a farce.
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Post by rick4404 on May 31, 2008 6:27:31 GMT -6
These lawyers spend years on details for appeals. But they never deny their client is innocent of murder. It all becomes side tracked. Victims are forgotten. Justice for victims forgotten. Speed forgotten. Witnesses are forgotten, can't remember, or die. Paperwork is repeated so many times names and events are jumbled. That is what defense lawyers want. Justice system for murdered victims is nothing but a farce. Exactly. A condemned inmate's lawyers can spend years and years on chasing down every possible detail upon which to file yet another appeal. I agree everything becomes side tracked. While judges and lawmakers are working on ways to cut down on the number of frivilous appeals, that will speed up the process somewhat. But since the "one bite of the apple" theory has long since been tossed aside, in reality, I would have to say little if anything has been done on shortening the appeals process in many death penalty cases. On the contrary, it's been lengthened in my best guess estimation. "One bite of the apple" was a legal theory which wound up being enacted as law by several death penalty states. This legal term was coined a few years ago. "One bite of the apple" simply meant that an issue or issues could only be raised once on appeal. The original goal was that a death row inmate's legal counsel would only get one shot at appealing a case. If the appeal was rejected, then they would be barred from filing on those same grounds once again. That's not how things eventually wound up. I'm not sure if this was declared unconstitutional or not.
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Post by DeadElvis on May 31, 2008 6:53:02 GMT -6
Are you saying that it cost more money per head to feed,clothe, watch,transport,& attorneys,etc...etc..than the usual main stream inmate.. While I can't speak for the poster you quoted, I belive that this is true. The cost of a 20 year stay on DR with all the appeals and added security given to condemnded inmates prior to their execution can be greater than what it costs to house a regular LWOP idiot spending twice that long in prision and dying of natural causes. I may well be wrong but this is a favorite anti-dp argument.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 2, 2008 8:51:41 GMT -6
Are you saying that it cost more money per head to feed,clothe, watch,transport,& attorneys,etc...etc..than the usual main stream inmate.. While I can't speak for the poster you quoted, I belive that this is true. The cost of a 20 year stay on DR with all the appeals and added security given to condemnded inmates prior to their execution can be greater than what it costs to house a regular LWOP idiot spending twice that long in prision and dying of natural causes. I may well be wrong but this is a favorite anti-dp argument. And it's a pretty good one, Kevin, if people refuse to execute murderers here for practical, not moral, reasons.
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Post by Bull on Jun 9, 2008 17:27:50 GMT -6
Richard Austin- TN DR since DP reinstated in '77-'78 Just found out, richard Austin passed on..... he no longer is on TN DR
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2008 8:28:56 GMT -6
Are you saying that it cost more money per head to feed,clothe, watch,transport,& attorneys,etc...etc..than the usual main stream inmate.. While I can't speak for the poster you quoted, I belive that this is true. The cost of a 20 year stay on DR with all the appeals and added security given to condemnded inmates prior to their execution can be greater than what it costs to house a regular LWOP idiot spending twice that long in prision and dying of natural causes. I may well be wrong but this is a favorite anti-dp argument. I say so what if it cost more to fry a dr inmate.. its not like u.s.a is short of a dollar if u do the crime than u do the time. jmo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2008 8:30:55 GMT -6
Richard Austin- TN DR since DP reinstated in '77-'78 Just found out, richard Austin passed on..... he no longer is on TN DR is that sdl dancin around there he can shake that thang
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Post by DeadElvis on Jun 10, 2008 11:01:41 GMT -6
While I can't speak for the poster you quoted, I belive that this is true. The cost of a 20 year stay on DR with all the appeals and added security given to condemnded inmates prior to their execution can be greater than what it costs to house a regular LWOP idiot spending twice that long in prision and dying of natural causes. I may well be wrong but this is a favorite anti-dp argument. I say so what if it cost more to fry a dr inmate.. its not like u.s.a is short of a dollar if u do the crime than u do the time. jmo I agree. It just seems like a rip-off when DR effectively becomes LWOP for most inmates actually sentenced to die for their crimes.
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Post by Bull on Jun 11, 2008 21:29:31 GMT -6
Just found out, richard Austin passed on..... he no longer is on TN DR is that sdl dancin around there he can shake that thang I figured Abby Hoffman could do something positive and 'rave' for good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2008 22:50:37 GMT -6
is that sdl dancin around there he can shake that thang I figured Abby Hoffman could do something positive and 'rave' for good. ;D ;D
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Post by Dea on Jun 14, 2008 16:48:49 GMT -6
I'm beginning to think the courts are making a "statement" by actually sentencing someone to the DP. They want everyone to know this is a horrible person and deserves to die, but..................we're reluctant to actually do it. So let's keep them in solitary cells for a few decades and let the next generation worry about what to do then.
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