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Post by dio on Jun 6, 2005 20:01:59 GMT -6
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E-mail This Article Print-Friendly Format Make WFMY News 2 Your Home Page Robbery, assault and arson, lawmakers are considering a move that would expunge crimes like these from criminal records once a person turns 18.
Greensboro, NC -- Robbery, assault and arson, lawmakers are considering a move that would expunge crimes like these from criminal records once a person turns 18.
The bill has received strong opposition from employers who rely heavily on background checks when they do their hiring.
Irene Blackwell has run a day care for 17-years and says knowing an employees background is a must. She says she's not opposed to second chances, but feel this bill violates employers rights.
"Let it be my decision to hire that person knowing what their background is don't take that right away" says Blackwell.
The bill would only pertain to one-time offenders. More serious crimes such as murder, rape, and other sex crimes would not apply.
The North Carolina Training and Standards Commission is also fighting the bill. The group governs the states law enforcement agencies.
"We unanimously voted to fight this bill says the groups chairman John Glenn "the fact that a convicted felon could become a police officer without anyone knowing is a danger to the public".
If the bill becomes law, convicted offenders would have to pay their fines and complete their punishment in order to get their records expunged
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 7, 2005 9:06:30 GMT -6
Turn 18, Wipe It Clean Netscape,WebTV,Mac users click here E-mail This Article Print-Friendly Format Make WFMY News 2 Your Home Page Robbery, assault and arson, lawmakers are considering a move that would expunge crimes like these from criminal records once a person turns 18. Greensboro, NC -- Robbery, assault and arson, lawmakers are considering a move that would expunge crimes like these from criminal records once a person turns 18. The bill has received strong opposition from employers who rely heavily on background checks when they do their hiring. Irene Blackwell has run a day care for 17-years and says knowing an employees background is a must. She says she's not opposed to second chances, but feel this bill violates employers rights. "Let it be my decision to hire that person knowing what their background is don't take that right away" says Blackwell. The bill would only pertain to one-time offenders. More serious crimes such as murder, rape, and other sex crimes would not apply. The North Carolina Training and Standards Commission is also fighting the bill. The group governs the states law enforcement agencies. "We unanimously voted to fight this bill says the groups chairman John Glenn "the fact that a convicted felon could become a police officer without anyone knowing is a danger to the public". If the bill becomes law, convicted offenders would have to pay their fines and complete their punishment in order to get their records expunged This is very dangerous! I would advocate it if for example the person is 30-40 plus and had not reoffended but to wipe it at 18 is nonsensical. If I do an assessment I need critical info like that dating back before a person is 18 because without that, the assessment is only as good as the info I have access to!
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Post by Dea on Jun 7, 2005 10:46:04 GMT -6
Agreed. But I thought that the records were wiped clean anyway at age 18. At least here in Tennessee. I could be wrong, and it could have been a couple of isolated cases with non-violent charges. But I just assumed that was already the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2005 16:52:39 GMT -6
Most, if not all states expunged juvenile records when a person turned 18. Lately, some states have altered that so violent felonies don't disappear. There are more and more that have been dismantling the juvenile system to make it look more like the adult system. Both ways have pros and cons.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 12, 2005 21:49:30 GMT -6
Most, if not all states expunged juvenile records when a person turned 18. Lately, some states have altered that so violent felonies don't disappear. There are more and more that have been dismantling the juvenile system to make it look more like the adult system. Both ways have pros and cons. What cons? The public has a right to know who its violent people are.
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 13, 2005 3:58:23 GMT -6
Most, if not all states expunged juvenile records when a person turned 18. Lately, some states have altered that so violent felonies don't disappear. There are more and more that have been dismantling the juvenile system to make it look more like the adult system. Both ways have pros and cons. What cons? The public has a right to know who its violent people are. I agree. Some things are silly though. I assessed a guy last week and my info was he was a violent football hooligan. turns out the guy is now 45 years old, and got in a fight at a football match when 16, with no further incidents. I figured out all my myself it was irrelevant.
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Post by RickZ on Jun 13, 2005 9:28:36 GMT -6
I agree. Some things are silly though. I assessed a guy last week and my info was he was a violent football hooligan. turns out the guy is now 45 years old, and got in a fight at a football match when 16, with no further incidents. I figured out all my myself it was irrelevant. Felix, it scares me when these lucid moments erupt from your otherwise fantastical mind. Very scary.
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 13, 2005 9:42:52 GMT -6
I agree. Some things are silly though. I assessed a guy last week and my info was he was a violent football hooligan. turns out the guy is now 45 years old, and got in a fight at a football match when 16, with no further incidents. I figured out all my myself it was irrelevant. Felix, it scares me when these lucid moments erupt from your otherwise fantastical mind. Very scary. Dont worry Rickz, as a pro, most of life is supposed to scare you! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2005 15:05:19 GMT -6
Most, if not all states expunged juvenile records when a person turned 18. Lately, some states have altered that so violent felonies don't disappear. There are more and more that have been dismantling the juvenile system to make it look more like the adult system. Both ways have pros and cons. What cons? The public has a right to know who its violent people are. As Felix pointed out, people tend to grow out of crime. The more serious the crime, the less likely that they will grow out of it, but many people grow out of crime. I think that everyone has done stupid things when they were kids. I used to work with a guy who was charged with dozens of counts of blowing up mailboxes, etc. with fireworks when he was 16. He's in his mid 20's now and he has grown out of that stuff. He became a pilot and hasn't done anything stupid like that since. Can any of us look back to when we were young(er) and not think of some stupid $hit we were involved with that we would never do now, or that we would like to go back and change what we did? The problem with a juvenile record following them for a less serious crime is that they do not have the opportunity to grow out of it because it follows them.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 13, 2005 15:12:19 GMT -6
As Felix pointed out, people tend to grow out of crime. The more serious the crime, the less likely that they will grow out of it, but many people grow out of crime. I think that everyone has done stupid things when they were kids. I used to work with a guy who was charged with dozens of counts of blowing up mailboxes, etc. with fireworks when he was 16. He's in his mid 20's now and he has grown out of that stuff. He became a pilot and hasn't done anything stupid like that since. Can any of us look back to when we were young(er) and not think of some stupid $hit we were involved with that we would never do now, or that we would like to go back and change what we did? The problem with a juvenile record following them for a less serious crime is that they do not have the opportunity to grow out of it because it follows them. No one's going to hold against an adult property crimes committed as a juvenile. However, violent crimes are another matter. That says something about you, regardless of age. People need to know who has a history of violence, whether or not these criminals claim to have "grown" out of it.
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Post by Grey on Mar 19, 2006 12:19:29 GMT -6
Same in Canda...that is faster u do and pay what is sentenced by the court....soooooooooooooo unfair!
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Post by Sandoval on Mar 19, 2006 16:01:18 GMT -6
I hope Governor Easley is against this.
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Post by Dave on Mar 20, 2006 22:15:44 GMT -6
I still had to pay 856 dollars to get my juvenile record whiped clean but I did'nt have any violent crimes on mine though.
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Post by Sandoval on Mar 22, 2006 14:37:37 GMT -6
Dang, thats a lot of money, what was on your juvenile record, if you don't mind me asking? I still had to pay 856 dollars to get my juvenile record whiped clean but I did'nt have any violent crimes on mine though.
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Post by Dave on Mar 22, 2006 15:55:16 GMT -6
Criminal Mishchif (however you spell it) and Possesion of Marijuana under whatever limit they have to get a distrobution charge. I used to know what it was but I forget.
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Post by Sandoval on Mar 22, 2006 15:57:32 GMT -6
Having marijuana should not be a crime. Criminal Mishchif (however you spell it) and Possesion of Marijuana under whatever limit they have to get a distrobution charge. I used to know what it was but I forget.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2006 21:45:51 GMT -6
As Felix pointed out, people tend to grow out of crime. The more serious the crime, the less likely that they will grow out of it, but many people grow out of crime. I think that everyone has done stupid things when they were kids. I used to work with a guy who was charged with dozens of counts of blowing up mailboxes, etc. with fireworks when he was 16. He's in his mid 20's now and he has grown out of that stuff. He became a pilot and hasn't done anything stupid like that since. Can any of us look back to when we were young(er) and not think of some stupid $hit we were involved with that we would never do now, or that we would like to go back and change what we did? The problem with a juvenile record following them for a less serious crime is that they do not have the opportunity to grow out of it because it follows them. No one's going to hold against an adult property crimes committed as a juvenile. However, violent crimes are another matter. That says something about you, regardless of age. People need to know who has a history of violence, whether or not these criminals claim to have "grown" out of it. True. Different people have different standards for certain jobs. For example, Mary says she'll hire someone who had a long history of violence and crime as a child to babysit her children as long as they've grown out of it. Jill says she'd prefer it the babysitter "grew out of it" and had a very small list of crime to begin with it. Ann won't hire anyone who has had a criminal record, regardless of how old they were when the crimes were committed or if they "grew out of it". Also, it's kind of hard to just "grow out of" crime. Quite a few criminals don't.
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Post by chefmate on Jul 30, 2006 8:52:14 GMT -6
Boy, this one hits to close to home. My son at barely age fourteen managed to get two felonies for robbery even though he only accompanied the other teens and never took a thing he was still there. Now, he has cleaned up his life for the most part and is almost 18....should these be held against him for life??? Need to good input here.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 30, 2006 8:54:30 GMT -6
Boy, this one hits to close to home. My son at barely age fourteen managed to get two felonies for robbery even though he only accompanied the other teens and never took a thing he was still there. Now, he has cleaned up his life for the most part and is almost 18....should these be held against him for life??? Need to good input here. I say yes, they should be held against him for life, and I'm married to an ex-felon.
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Jul 30, 2006 9:06:07 GMT -6
Most, if not all states expunged juvenile records when a person turned 18. Lately, some states have altered that so violent felonies don't disappear. There are more and more that have been dismantling the juvenile system to make it look more like the adult system. Both ways have pros and cons. In fact more are allowing certain employers access to the records. I think it is wise to show that persons potential towards criminal activity. Expunge is hard to get. Certain crimes of course will never be expunged.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2006 9:35:18 GMT -6
I wonder if records are just sealed as long as there are no further problems in some places. rather than expunged?
When we first met with the DA's they said the man who murdered had no juvenile record. But on further investigation they found he did have records of violent crime as a juvenile.
I agree that a history of violent crime should be public information. The employer shoudl be able to decide for themselves what path they want to take with the person. Others shouldn't be taking away from them the right to consider the fact of the history of violent crime involvement.
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Post by Kay on Jul 30, 2006 10:00:29 GMT -6
My oldest son got into quite a lot of scrapes in his early teenage years, he was born rebellious, I'm convinced, and would never, ever back down from a challenge. His attitude resulted in him being involved in several fist fights, among other things, and after trying numerous ways to reach him, we issued an edict and told him, if it happened again, we were going to involve the law.
As you can probably already figure out, it did, and we followed through on our promise, and asked the parents of the young man he fought with to press charges against our son. He received a stint in juvenille services, and a visit to the juvenile prison in San Saba Texas. For my son, this made a difference, and slowy he changed.
We received papers when he was 18, giving us the option of sealing, as JBS said, not expunging his record. In our situation, this seems reasonable to me.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Jul 30, 2006 12:20:15 GMT -6
I would think that violent felonies should stay part of the record. But with minor drug and alcohol crimes, no. But people do grow and change. Financial aid forms have a box for drug convictions for student loans and grants. Not having that money can change a person's life forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2006 12:55:53 GMT -6
My oldest son got into quite a lot of scrapes in his early teenage years, he was born rebellious, I'm convinced, and would never, ever back down from a challenge. His attitude resulted in him being involved in several fist fights, among other things, and after trying numerous ways to reach him, we issued an edict and told him, if it happened again, we were going to involve the law. As you can probably already figure out, it did, and we followed through on our promise, and asked the parents of the young man he fought with to press charges against our son. He received a stint in juvenille services, and a visit to the juvenile prison in San Saba Texas. For my son, this made a difference, and slowy he changed. We received papers when he was 18, giving us the option of sealing, as JBS said, not expunging his record. In our situation, this seems reasonable to me. See now if something should be thought of as the kind of things kids get into and grow out of it is stufff like fighting, minor shoplifting (like lipstick, perfume, etc.) - stuff like that I knew a lot of people that did it once or twice while we were young and then grew up just fine. My daughter's murderer's criminal convictions were for aggravated sexual assault and planting a bomb on a neighbors porch. Those kind of things - aggravated robbery, aggravated sexual assault, planting weapons of destruction, etc. - for heaven's sake those should remain public info IMO.
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Post by spur on Jul 30, 2006 17:56:25 GMT -6
Boy, this one hits to close to home. My son at barely age fourteen managed to get two felonies for robbery even though he only accompanied the other teens and never took a thing he was still there. Now, he has cleaned up his life for the most part and is almost 18....should these be held against him for life??? Need to good input here. Just curious....two felonies by the time he was 14.....where was his parents during the time he needed them growing up? Oh BTW....before you throw "Because his father died" as a reason....it wont work with me.....I never had a dad and I have zero felonies. Please use excuse number two
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Post by chefmate on Aug 2, 2006 9:04:30 GMT -6
Boy, this one hits to close to home. My son at barely age fourteen managed to get two felonies for robbery even though he only accompanied the other teens and never took a thing he was still there. Now, he has cleaned up his life for the most part and is almost 18....should these be held against him for life??? Need to good input here. I say yes, they should be held against him for life, and I'm married to an ex-felon. Joseph, the difference is he was only 13 years old and your wife was much older I assume when she committed her crimes....the whole premise of juvenile justice is the fact the majority of kids under 18 don't have the mental capacity to make the same decisions adults do. And before you open that can of worms, yes, there are some juveniles who commit adult crimes and should be punished as such.
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Post by Felix2 on Aug 2, 2006 9:07:08 GMT -6
I say yes, they should be held against him for life, and I'm married to an ex-felon. Joseph, the difference is he was only 13 years old and your wife was much older I assume when she committed her crimes....the whole premise of juvenile justice is the fact the majority of kids under 18 don't have the mental capacity to make the same decisions adults do. And before you open that can of worms, yes, there are some juveniles who commit adult crimes and should be punished as such. Have you never done anything wrong Joseph, and if not, in whose opinion.? You are consistently harsh and mean and in total denial of any concept of mercy or forgiveness, quite frankly, you sound like you are dead inside.
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Post by chefmate on Aug 2, 2006 9:27:53 GMT -6
Boy, this one hits to close to home. My son at barely age fourteen managed to get two felonies for robbery even though he only accompanied the other teens and never took a thing he was still there. Now, he has cleaned up his life for the most part and is almost 18....should these be held against him for life??? Need to good input here. Just curious....two felonies by the time he was 14.....where was his parents during the time he needed them growing up? Oh BTW....before you throw "Because his father died" as a reason....it wont work with me.....I never had a dad and I have zero felonies. Please use excuse number two Both his parents were with him giving him the proper way to go but he didn't take that course. His brother who is two years older, has never given a bit of trouble yet raised under the same roof...so you tell me why one does right and the other goes off in the wrong way. I'm sorry, but he took his dads dying very hard....they were close. You never had a dad so it's a bit different in that you never bonded and then watched him slowly die.....it is not an excuse but one of the factors. I had to go to work a week after my husband died and we had no one to help take care of us......so he was unattended till I got home and to tell you the truth, I was a mess myself and lost for the first year or two...I guess the best quote I ever heard was 'never judge another till you've walked in their shoes.' I will always believe some can overcome terrible situations and others can't .......that is human weaknesses. We have come to a point almost six years later that the three of us are slowing making our way back to life again. Most of you would not agree with my choices but that's okay...the main thing is for my son to keep working on the right choices and staying clean and sober. I think the worst nightmare was the half year or so he was using meth...but we've come through that also and are moving forward. I used to beat myself thinking I was a lousy mother for my son to have done the things he did, but then I looked at my older son who was raised under the same circumstances and he is almost perfect so I know it wasn't my parenting skills but my son's lousy judgement that caused him to follow the wrong path. another footnote.......not an excuse, but he also was diagnosed ADD with depression so we are seeing a mental health specialist and he is on prescriptions to ease his symptoms. I have gone through hell and back to ensure this child does not end up a criminal and in state prison........and I have done it ALONE under some lousy conditions. Always am happy to answer any questions anyone may have.....for the most part, my life is an open book except for one area where people are narrow minded.
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Post by rain on Aug 2, 2006 12:14:36 GMT -6
cheffie: "I used to beat myself thinking I was a lousy mother for my son to have done the things he did, but then I looked at my older son who was raised under the same circumstances and he is almost perfect so I know it wasn't my parenting skills but my son's lousy judgement that caused him to follow the wrong path."Thank you for the openness in your post. It is not always the parents fault when a juvenile makes bad decisions. I also have seen many a household who had wonderful children that also had evil ones. Same parenting - different children. Parents should not have to shoulder all the blame for acts of juveniles who choose to make bad mistakes. Yes, sometimes it is the parents fault but people like to throw the blame on them way too much. jmo. Meth. I hate drugs. Anytime that is involved it changes the whole ball game because it makes people do things they normally would not. It has and is ruining many lives and families. Good parenting means nothing if drugs are involved.
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Post by chefmate on Aug 2, 2006 23:29:35 GMT -6
Thank you Rain.........I'm glad that some do understand that parents are not always at fault.
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