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Post by rosebud on May 29, 2007 4:24:13 GMT -6
Babysitter faces death for slaying 3-month-old Professing innocence, Texas woman could be 12th woman executed in U.S. The Associated Press Updated: 2:53 p.m. PT May 27, 2007 GATESVILLE, Texas - A neighbor in a suburban Austin neighborhood appeared to be the perfect babysitter for Eryn Baugh's infant son and his 2-year-old sister.
She's the most sweet, endearing person in the world and put forward this good Christian front, Baugh said of Cathy Lynn Henderson, who lived two blocks away. She could sell snow to an Eskimo.
But just weeks after Henderson started working for the Baughs, 3-month-old Brandon was dead and Henderson had fled the state. The infant's body was found buried 60 miles away with his skull crushed, wrapped in his yellow-trimmed white blanket and stuffed into a box that previously held Bartles & Jaymes wine coolers.
Henderson, 50, is set to die in less than three weeks for the 1994 slaying that made her one of the most hated women in Texas. She would be just the 12th woman among the nearly 1,100 convicted killers executed since capital punishment resumed in the United States in 1977.
Henderson insists Brandon died in an accidental fall and that her decision to bury him and flee was made in panic, not in cold blood.
I wasn't thinking clearly
It's apparent I wasn't thinking clearly, Henderson told The Associated Press recently from the states female death row outside Gatesville.
"I think I was in shock, disbelief. I just didn't know what I was doing. That baby was dead. I didn't want to deal with that. There was too much sorrow. It hurt, it hurt," she said, tearing up. When I look back at it, it does kind of look like I was guilty, doesn't it?"
Henderson's case has been championed by Sister Helen Prejean of "Dead Man Walking" fame.
Supporters say new engineering data interpreting Brandon's skull fracture could better support Henderson's contention the child's death was an accident and her life should be spared.
What I would like to happen is to either get a new trial or charge me with what I'm really guilty of, and murder is not one of them, even injury to a child is not one of them,"Henderson said.
I think involuntary manslaughter, negligence, something in those areas, because I did not wake up to intentionally harm Brandon, she said.
Henderson is scheduled to be executed on June 13. It was postponed from last month after her lawyers won a delay.
"We're getting experts, a new kind of expert for head injuries," said Prejean, based in New Orleans. "They look into the physics of it."
Suspect recalls incident
Recalling that morning 13 years ago, Henderson said Brandon was cranky, so she was swinging him around to try to calm him.
"I fell. I stepped on a toy. He flew out of my hands. He hit the bottom of the garage, which had been converted to a playroom,"she said.
After hitting the concrete floor, he stopped breathing, she said. Henderson said she tried CPR for an hour.
Why not call 911?
"I knew that was a dead end,"she replied. "I had tried for too long myself. What good would it have been?"
She fled, driving Brandon's sister and her own preschool daughter to the home of a relative, paying an 11-year-old there $10 to watch them.
"Even though I reacted abnormally, that doesn't make me a bad person,"she said, crying. "I just didn't want to face what happened. I felt responsible. I took a life. That is very hard to deal with, especially a child.
Prosecutors disagree
Travis County prosecutors and Brandon's parents aren't buying it.
"If a child sustains an accidental fall, we're going to freak out and get help," prosecutor Dayna Blazey said. We'are going to run to a neighbor, call 911. That's human nature not to put the baby in a wine cooler box, throw it in the trunk of a car and bury it in a shallow grave. Then she flees to Missouri and changes appearance.
A medical examiner testified Brandon's injuries were inconsistent with an accidental fall of about 4 feet but were the equivalent of a fall from a two-story building.
We are not talking about linear skull fractures, Blazey said. The entire back of his head was shattered.
A change of mind
But in a new appeal filed late last week, Henderson's lawyers included an affidavit from the medical examiner who had previously testified against her.
Dr. Roberto Bayardo, who retired last year as Travis County's chief medical examiner, said based on new scientific evidence presented to him by the experts hired by Henderson's legal team, he cannot determine with a reasonable degree of medical certainty whether Brandon Baugh's injuries resulted from an intentional act or an accidental fall.
Eryn Baugh said Henderson had him completely fooled.
"Just tell me what happened that day. Tell me exactly what she did and why she did it. Then she can ask me for forgiveness. I'll probably give it” once she drops the lies and tells the truth. There's been too many years of lying. We just want her to come clean, he said.
Henderson insisted she did her job well.
This is the worst bit
"I took good care of Brandon, Henderson insisted. In my mind, I thought I was doing the Baughs a favor by not having to tell them their son was dead.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on May 29, 2007 7:40:06 GMT -6
The more i read about henderson, the more i am convenced she is the queen of Egypt and living in denial. I think some penpals are going to be upset when she is executed for the murder of a child.
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Post by rosebud on May 29, 2007 7:58:20 GMT -6
I would love to believe she is innocent and this was an accident. BUt, I know in my heart it wasn't and she isn't. Too much evidence is stacked against her.
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Post by Kay on May 29, 2007 9:29:52 GMT -6
Some may not want to visit this site, but there are some comments posted by Brandon's Mom and Grandmother and Henderson's daughter that I think are worth reading. We are not offended by those who honestly oppose the death penalty. We are however, deeply offended by those people who proclaim Cathy Lynn Henderson innocent, and who claim this was an accident, when they know nothing about this case or what she really did. Those people who are radical anti dp get stirred up by claims of her innocence on websites such as this one. They ignore the fact that she was found guilty in court. They believe her lies of innocence. They seem to need no other proof of that statement other than Cathy's lies from websites like this who espouse those claims of innocence for her. These same radical anti dp nut jobs, then get on the internet to taunt us by writing hateful things to vilify, and crucify my family. We who have already lost so much, must now also deal with their calumny, deceit, and lies also. They taunt us, tell us that they are glad that Baby Brandon is dead. They say that he is better off dead than with his family. How hurtful do you think those statements are to our family? Fremont, how can you say you believe Cathy killed Baby Brandon in a fit of rage, but did not intend to kill him? The intent to murder takes only a few seconds to form, and only a very few more seconds to act upon. If you will, please try this little experiment. Fremont time at least 5 seconds on a clock. See how many thoughts actually go through your mind during that small amount of time and how many actions you can perform during that 5 second period. It will truly surprise you. I too hope that Cathy's daughters can find peace and happiness after this is over. I also feel compassion for them and their situation. I remember little 4 year old Jennifer sitting at our dining room table eating supper with our family during the time that Cathy was shacking up with another man in Kansas City and our baby was missing. Little Jennifer missed her Mommy terribly and was very sad, lonely and lost. This was not Jennifer's fault. Cathy brought this disaster upon her own children and her own family as well as ours. Jennifer I wish you peace and happiness. I remember the day that Cathy's oldest daughter testified against her in court. She was scared and horrified by all that had happened. Cathy should not have put her own child through the child abuse hell she went through at the hands of her evil mother, Cathy Lynn Henderson. Her oldest daughter suffered much at Cathy's abuse. I hope she can also find peace and happiness when this is over with. I wish you well Melissa, I think about your brave act often. As to the middle daughter, Amber, I never met her, but I did read her post. To Amber I say, as I said to the other girls, I wish you peace and happiness in your future also. Fremont,I will let Melissa know that you have sent her your best wishes so she may read them for herself. Thank you for your kind words and thoughts. Grandmother of Baby Brandon And by Brandon's Mom thank you for your insight. This is the first time I’ve heard anything about what was going on with Cathy other than the fact she had recently lost custody of her 2nd daughter the first of January. The sad truth is my mother had called the same day she murdered Brandon (a Friday) and said she was flying in that day to visit our family for a week. I had tried to call Cathy around 11:00 am to tell her that she wouldn’t have to watch the kids the next week. Unfortunately I was too late. If only… This is the first time I’ve broken down and cried since the execution date was set. I have felt so angry at all the people that oppose the death penalty. I can’t understand why it is inhumane to murder someone that cares so little about life and can take someone else’s especially an innocent baby my baby without any remorse whatsoever. When Cathy was interviewed after the trial she said “of course I loved him if I didn’t I would have thrown him in a trash can”. I’m sorry I have a hard time seeing how that is love. I loved Brandon and always will. I will never be able to forgive myself for not protecting him and I will never believe that it was an accident because of the severity of the injuries. My baby didn’t deserve to die, but Cathy does. Melissa Baugh And from the other side, by Cathy's daughter If Brandon's family heals because of the death of my mother, well, so be it. Again, I try not to judge. I love my mother, she's my mother. I have wonderful memories of her, and I keep those close to my heart. Nobody is born bad, but damaged through the years. There isn't one person on earth who is not God's child, and he loves us all the same. One sin is no worse than the other in God's eyes, and when we are forgiven-that's it. I continue to pray that everybody involved has a angle close by them, and may everyone find peace, and forgivness. dpdiscourse.typepad.com/sisterhelen/2007/02/regarding_cathy.html#comments
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Post by spur on May 29, 2007 9:49:56 GMT -6
OH well... deal with it you killed him be responsible enough to try and do something to correct it.
Your not a trained medical professional and had you called immediately following this alleged accident Brandon may be alive today
Three lies in one sentence.... you are making me nauseous
You are responsible, you will face it.... roll up your sleeve.
You are one fuked up lady....me, me, me, I, I, all about you.
God bless this woman.... still a heart of forgiveness even after this puppet show that Henderson has put her through.
This is the correct verdict and the proper sentence for this woman... bring on June 13th
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Post by Lisa on May 29, 2007 9:55:12 GMT -6
Some may not want to visit this site, but there are some comments posted by Brandon's Mom and Grandmother and Henderson's daughter that I think are worth reading. We are not offended by those who honestly oppose the death penalty. We are however, deeply offended by those people who proclaim Cathy Lynn Henderson innocent, and who claim this was an accident, when they know nothing about this case or what she really did. Those people who are radical anti dp get stirred up by claims of her innocence on websites such as this one. They ignore the fact that she was found guilty in court. They believe her lies of innocence. They seem to need no other proof of that statement other than Cathy's lies from websites like this who espouse those claims of innocence for her. These same radical anti dp nut jobs, then get on the internet to taunt us by writing hateful things to vilify, and crucify my family. We who have already lost so much, must now also deal with their calumny, deceit, and lies also. They taunt us, tell us that they are glad that Baby Brandon is dead. They say that he is better off dead than with his family. How hurtful do you think those statements are to our family? Fremont, how can you say you believe Cathy killed Baby Brandon in a fit of rage, but did not intend to kill him? The intent to murder takes only a few seconds to form, and only a very few more seconds to act upon. If you will, please try this little experiment. Fremont time at least 5 seconds on a clock. See how many thoughts actually go through your mind during that small amount of time and how many actions you can perform during that 5 second period. It will truly surprise you. I too hope that Cathy's daughters can find peace and happiness after this is over. I also feel compassion for them and their situation. I remember little 4 year old Jennifer sitting at our dining room table eating supper with our family during the time that Cathy was shacking up with another man in Kansas City and our baby was missing. Little Jennifer missed her Mommy terribly and was very sad, lonely and lost. This was not Jennifer's fault. Cathy brought this disaster upon her own children and her own family as well as ours. Jennifer I wish you peace and happiness. I remember the day that Cathy's oldest daughter testified against her in court. She was scared and horrified by all that had happened. Cathy should not have put her own child through the child abuse hell she went through at the hands of her evil mother, Cathy Lynn Henderson. Her oldest daughter suffered much at Cathy's abuse. I hope she can also find peace and happiness when this is over with. I wish you well Melissa, I think about your brave act often. As to the middle daughter, Amber, I never met her, but I did read her post. To Amber I say, as I said to the other girls, I wish you peace and happiness in your future also. Fremont,I will let Melissa know that you have sent her your best wishes so she may read them for herself. Thank you for your kind words and thoughts. Grandmother of Baby Brandon And by Brandon's Mom thank you for your insight. This is the first time I’ve heard anything about what was going on with Cathy other than the fact she had recently lost custody of her 2nd daughter the first of January. The sad truth is my mother had called the same day she murdered Brandon (a Friday) and said she was flying in that day to visit our family for a week. I had tried to call Cathy around 11:00 am to tell her that she wouldn’t have to watch the kids the next week. Unfortunately I was too late. If only… This is the first time I’ve broken down and cried since the execution date was set. I have felt so angry at all the people that oppose the death penalty. I can’t understand why it is inhumane to murder someone that cares so little about life and can take someone else’s especially an innocent baby my baby without any remorse whatsoever. When Cathy was interviewed after the trial she said “of course I loved him if I didn’t I would have thrown him in a trash can”. I’m sorry I have a hard time seeing how that is love. I loved Brandon and always will. I will never be able to forgive myself for not protecting him and I will never believe that it was an accident because of the severity of the injuries. My baby didn’t deserve to die, but Cathy does. Melissa Baugh And from the other side, by Cathy's daughter If Brandon's family heals because of the death of my mother, well, so be it. Again, I try not to judge. I love my mother, she's my mother. I have wonderful memories of her, and I keep those close to my heart. Nobody is born bad, but damaged through the years. There isn't one person on earth who is not God's child, and he loves us all the same. One sin is no worse than the other in God's eyes, and when we are forgiven-that's it. I continue to pray that everybody involved has a angle close by them, and may everyone find peace, and forgivness. dpdiscourse.typepad.com/sisterhelen/2007/02/regarding_cathy.html#commentsThanks, Kay. That was a very informative thread.
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Post by arizonavet on May 29, 2007 10:14:55 GMT -6
Kay.... Muchos Gracias.....loved it!
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Post by kma367 on May 29, 2007 10:34:16 GMT -6
Does she not realize that this alone demonstrates how cold-blooded she is?
She claims she didn't want to tell the Baughs that Brandon was dead, but telling them she sold him, or gave him away to his grandmother who then took him to Oklahoma was okay. Yeah, right!
Calling 911 was a dead end because she tried CPR for an hour? She should've called 911 and done CPR until they got there and then let them try to help Brandon. It's not her call to say whether medical intervention could help or not.
I know exactly why she didn't call 911. Because she knew that the doctors at the ER wouldn't believe that Brandon's catastrophic injuries occurred in an accidental fall (and she obviously hadn't had time to concoct the accidental fall story, yet).
It's also disturbing that Dr. Bayardo would change his opinion based on research from Henderson's defense team that is not scientifically accepted.
This is a capital murder case because of Brandon's age and not the manner in which he died. Changing the story about how he died isn't going to change the fact that he was a 3-month-old infant, or that she buried his body instead of getting him help.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 10:43:19 GMT -6
I found this interesting, from the page that Kay linked above as well: "I quote from this website. "And write to the suffering parents, the Baugh family, who are going through their own agonizing hell of loss of their three-month-old son. Pray for them. Surround them with love and compassion.
They all need it."
Yes, they do need it along, with the rest of the family. But Sister Prejean you still have not contacted my suffering, son or daughter-in-law. He has tried to contact you to talk several time. They would like to hear from and so would my husband and I.
You have lots of words of encouragement and love for the woman who maliciously murdered my grandbaby, took his little body out and buried it in the countryside and refused to tell us where he was buried, but you have no words of the same for our family.
You mouth those words on this website as though you had, but you have never reached out to us. Why not? Are we not worthy of God's love too? Or is it because we are not murderers and there is no publicity for you and your order in helping us through our grief?
I am awaiting an answer from you.
Grandmother of Baby Brandon
P.S. Sister Prejean, Cathy did not accidentally kill Baby Brandon. She murdered him by bashing his little skull into an eggshell fracture. His infant skull was still soft and un-calcified, so it was much harder to damage his skull than it would have been for an older child's skull. There was extensive damage to the occipital and parietal bones of Baby Brandon's skull with 1/8 inch separation of the fractures, leading our 2 Forensic Pathologists and Cathy's own hired Forensic Pathologist to all 3 conclude it was not an accident, it was murder.
No matter how many so called experts you hire to perjure themselves on Cathy Lynn Henderson's behalf, she murdered our baby and she will pay for it with her soul."So the forensic pathologist, that hotnosh goes on about having changed his mind, was not the only one. No others changing their minds based on nebulous theories (or changed/new excuses from the murderer) And interesting that the prejean sister is once again claiming to have tried to reach out to MVS - MVS who have actually tried to contact her, and been ignored. The entry I quoted above was from 4/15/07.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 10:51:35 GMT -6
............ my god. There are always the if only's, as this case demonstrates so effectively. If only this woman had been prosecuted for abusing her own children. There ought to have been a tattoo on her forehead to forwarn all who might trust her.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 11:35:55 GMT -6
Kay.... Muchos Gracias.....loved it! What's to love?
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Post by arizonavet on May 29, 2007 12:52:43 GMT -6
Some may not want to visit this site, but there are some comments posted by Brandon's Mom and there are some comments posted by Brandon's Mom and Grandmother and Henderson's daughter that I think are worth reading. We are however, deeply offended by those people who proclaim Cathy Lynn Henderson innocent, and who claim this was an accident, when they know nothing about this case or what she really did. These same radical anti dp nut jobs, then get on the internet to taunt us by writing hateful things to vilify, and crucify my family. They taunt us, tell us that they are glad that Baby Brandon is dead. They say that he is better off dead than with his family. How hurtful do you think those statements are to our family? Got tired of cutting & pasting.... Loved it.
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Post by Kay on May 29, 2007 12:58:41 GMT -6
But in my opinion, people that would taunt a grieving family aren't antis at all, not even decent human beings.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 29, 2007 15:20:30 GMT -6
Kay.... Muchos Gracias.....loved it! What's to love? More information on the case, maybe?
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Post by Stormyweather on May 29, 2007 15:21:23 GMT -6
But in my opinion, people that would taunt a grieving family aren't antis at all, not even decent human beings. If I could say it better I would but I think you've said it well.
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Post by arizonavet on May 29, 2007 15:26:29 GMT -6
But in my opinion, people that would taunt a grieving family aren't antis at all, not even decent human beings. If I could say it better I would but I think you've said it well. I'm working on a serious case of jealousy here....the coin & the flag..... Now I've got them too......(maniacal cackle)
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Post by Stormyweather on May 29, 2007 15:27:05 GMT -6
They taunt us, tell us that they are glad that Baby Brandon is dead. They say that he is better off dead than with his family. How hurtful do you think those statements are to our family? People like this deserved to be slapped.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 29, 2007 15:28:14 GMT -6
I'm working on a serious case of jealousy here....the coin & the flag..... Now I've got them too......(maniacal cackle) Coveting is a sin.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 29, 2007 17:56:33 GMT -6
Does anyone know how her latest appeal is going? I'm worried I guess.
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Post by beej76 on May 29, 2007 18:06:42 GMT -6
Does anyone know how her latest appeal is going? I'm worried I guess. I googled it - yes, a pro Cathy site, but seems like there's frequent updates. Looks like the appeal was just filed a few working days ago. www.savecathyhenderson.org/
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Post by Kay on May 29, 2007 19:50:28 GMT -6
Does anyone here really believe that she acccidentaly dropped baby Brandon? I certainly do not. I believe she lost her temper and abused that poor helpless baby
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 20:01:32 GMT -6
Does anyone here really believe that she acccidentaly dropped baby Brandon? I certainly do not. I believe she lost her temper and abused that poor helpless baby ......... well, I suppose anything is possible. But, after reading more about her (about her temper, and previous record of child abuse), after having read already all her squirming and lying, I do believe she murdered little Brandon. I hope that she never gets out of prison. People who prey on children are the lowest of the low, IMO.
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Post by spur on May 29, 2007 20:10:24 GMT -6
Does anyone here really believe that she acccidentaly dropped baby Brandon? I certainly do not. I believe she lost her temper and abused that poor helpless baby If anyone could ever make me an Anti.... it would be you.... thanks for telling it like you feel it really is Kay!
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Post by kma367 on May 29, 2007 20:24:11 GMT -6
I agree with you, Kay. If it had been an accident, she would've called 911 and gotten help, rather than burying Brandon miles away and fleeing from Texas. She also wouldn't have lied about it when questioned later.
Hopefully the court in Texas will be unable to buy the "accident" story because of those facts, as well.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 29, 2007 20:32:11 GMT -6
Does anyone here really believe that she acccidentaly dropped baby Brandon? I certainly do not. I believe she lost her temper and abused that poor helpless baby I agree. I think by the time she realized she went too far it was too late.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 23:27:29 GMT -6
What I want to know is, if she is so "innocent" and this was "accidental", then WHY did she bury the baby after he fell and flee to Missouri? That alone right there tells me she is guilty as leaving the scene of the crime. If it we're accidental wouldn't you call 911 and try to get help for the baby instead of fleeing?
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Post by rosebud on May 30, 2007 5:01:46 GMT -6
What I want to know is, if she is so "innocent" and this was "accidental", then WHY did she bury the baby after he fell and flee to Missouri? That alone right there tells me she is guilty as leaving the scene of the crime. If it we're accidental wouldn't you call 911 and try to get help for the baby instead of fleeing? Don't forget she had time to pack and make a to-do list. If she was innocent, then calling that 911 after doing CPR for an hour would have shown at least she had a caring bone in her body. But, wouldn't a worried INNOCENT person not have called 911 when that baby stopped breathing, then done CPR. Wouldn't an INNOCENT persons first thought be for the baby not her own skin? A baby's skull is so very pliable. It takes a massive impact blow to shatter the back of a baby's head in. There is a case on my SBS support group that tells a tale of a baby falling from a rope bridge, she was found with just a few scratches on her. God knows what Cathy did to that baby that day, all I can say is that she is determined to take it to her grave. The parents like me will find it hard to find peace, not knowing what happened in that small time we left our babies with a monster. I see pictures of her crying, full of guilt not remorse. It's so easy to say the words I am sorry. I don't ever think she has. I want this family to have justice, justice myself and my daughter never had. I still have my baby and I thank god for that. But, I know the pain the Baughs are going through and I have them in my heart. God bless all the Baugh family.
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Post by arizonavet on May 30, 2007 9:50:58 GMT -6
But, wouldn't a worried INNOCENT person not have called 911 when that baby stopped breathing, then done CPR. Claire....I don't think so, I'm no authority, just some military/medical training, but if the patient (victim, in this case), is actually not breathing.....clearing the air passageway, then propper CPR is critical....personally, I doubt this piece of selfish sub-human garbage, ever took the time to learn ANYTHING that could possibly have benefited anybody except herself. She intentionally did it....I'm sure, but the reason she isn't admitting to it....is she knows that already anti-dp Judges, possibly in other jurisdictions may have trouble seeing what we see. I still don't think she'll ever sip, "the warden's coctail" Claire....you're impressive. We take for granted in America, that at least half our country is pro-dp... Not so in the UK.....they've swallowed almost every morsel of Socialist/anti-dp/leftist, crap there ever was. Kudo's to an independent thinker!
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Post by Felix2 on May 30, 2007 9:53:25 GMT -6
But, wouldn't a worried INNOCENT person not have called 911 when that baby stopped breathing, then done CPR. Claire....I don't think so, I'm no authority, just some military/medical training, but if the patient (victim, in this case), is actually not breathing.....clearing the air passageway, then propper CPR is critical....personally, I doubt this piece of selfish sub-human garbage, ever took the time to learn ANYTHING that could possibly have benefited anybody except herself. She intentionally did it....I'm sure, but the reason she isn't admitting to it....is she knows that already anti-dp Judges, possibly in other jurisdictions may have trouble seeing what we see. I still don't think she'll ever sip, "the warden's coctail" Claire....you're impressive. We take for granted in America, that at least half our country is pro-dp... Not so in the UK.....they've swallowed almost every morsel of Socialist/anti-dp/leftist, crap there ever was. Kudo's to an independent thinker! You said you have military/medical training, which is presumeably US? Is that why you're calling yourself a vet? ;D
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Post by arizonavet on May 30, 2007 10:35:54 GMT -6
Claire....I don't think so, I'm no authority, just some military/medical training, but if the patient (victim, in this case), is actually not breathing.....clearing the air passageway, then propper CPR is critical....personally, I doubt this piece of selfish sub-human garbage, ever took the time to learn ANYTHING that could possibly have benefited anybody except herself. She intentionally did it....I'm sure, but the reason she isn't admitting to it....is she knows that already anti-dp Judges, possibly in other jurisdictions may have trouble seeing what we see. I still don't think she'll ever sip, "the warden's coctail" Claire....you're impressive. We take for granted in America, that at least half our country is pro-dp... Not so in the UK.....they've swallowed almost every morsel of Socialist/anti-dp/leftist, crap there ever was. Kudo's to an independent thinker! You said you have military/medical training, which is presumeably US? Is that why you're calling yourself a vet? ;D Huh? Mmmmmm, perhaps I Am "getting it".... Double meaning perhaps.....veterinarian (isn't that a person who only eats vegetables).....and military veteran? Arizonavet.....Quartermaster 2nd Class....U.S.N.R....12 years. (almost everyone here knows my real name now, but I've been repeatedly warned, that it might be a real dumb idea)
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