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Post by Anony+ on Dec 15, 2006 16:44:58 GMT -6
Why the hell can't Florida officials get any execution right? First, they messed up with a couple of electrocutions. Now they can't even get a simple needle insertion correct! Morons......
Official says Fla. execution was botched
By RON WORD, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago
OCALA, Fla. - Gov. Jeb Bush suspended all executions in Florida after a medical examiner said Friday that prison officials botched the insertion of the needles when a convicted killer was put to death earlier this week.
Separately, a federal judge in California imposed a moratorium on executions in the nation's most populous state, declaring that the state's method of lethal injection runs the risk of violating the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.
U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel ruled in San Jose that California's "implementation of lethal injection is broken." But he said: "It can be fixed."
In Florida, medical examiner Dr. William Hamilton said Wednesday's execution of Angel Nieves Diaz took 34 minutes — twice as long as usual — and required a rare second dose of lethal chemicals because the needles were inserted clear through his veins and into the flesh in his arms. The chemicals are supposed to go into the veins.
Hamilton, who performed the autopsy, refused to say whether he thought Diaz died a painful death.
"I am going to defer answers about pain and suffering until the autopsy is complete," he said. He said the results were preliminary and other tests may take several weeks.
Bush created a commission to examine the state's lethal injection process in light of Diaz's case, and he halted the signing of any more death warrants until the panel completes its final report by March 1.
The governor said he wants to ensure the process does not constitute cruel and unusual punishment, as some death penalty foes argued bitterly after Diaz's execution. Florida has 374 people on death row; it has carried out four executions this year.
Diaz, 55, was put to death for murdering of the manager of a Miami topless bar during a holdup in 1979.
The medical examiner's findings contradicted the explanation given by prison officials, who said Diaz needed the second dose because liver disease caused him to metabolize the lethal drugs more slowly. Hamilton said that although there were records that Diaz had hepatitis, his liver appeared normal.
Executions in Florida normally take no more than about 15 minutes, with the inmate rendered unconscious and motionless within three to five minutes. But Diaz appeared to be moving 24 minutes after the first injection, grimacing, blinking, licking his lips, blowing and appearing to mouth words.
As a result of the chemicals going into Diaz's arms around the elbow, he had an 12-inch chemical burn on his right arm and an 11-inch chemical burn on his left arm, Hamilton said.
Florida Corrections Secretary James McDonough said the execution team did not see any swelling of the arms, which would have been an indication that the chemicals were going into tissues and not veins.
Diaz's attorney, Suzanne Myers Keffler, reacted angrily to the findings.
"This is complete negligence on the part of the state," she said. "When he was still moving after the first shot of chemicals, they should have known there was a problem and they shouldn't have continued. This shows a complete disregard for Mr. Diaz. This is disgusting."
Earlier, in a court hearing in Ocala, she had won an assurance from the attorney general's office that she could have access to all findings and evidence from the autopsy. She withdrew a request for an independent autopsy.
David Elliot, spokesman for the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, said experts his group had contacted suspected that liver disease was not the explanation for the problem.
"Florida has certainly deservedly earned a reputation for being a state that conducts botched executions, whether its electrocution or lethal injection," Elliot said. "We just think the Florida death penalty system is broken from start to finish."
Florida got rid of the electric chair after two inmates' heads caught fire during executions in the 1990s and another suffered a severe nosebleed in 2000. Lethal injection was portrayed as a more humane and more reliable process.
Twenty people have been executed by lethal injection in Florida since the state switched from the electric chair in 2000.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Dec 15, 2006 16:49:35 GMT -6
Clarence Hill part Duex. *f---*. Does anyone really care if the guy suffers? Stick'em and move on to the next one.
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Post by RickZ on Dec 15, 2006 16:49:58 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but "botched"? Diaz is dead, right? Not a botched execution then, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2006 18:28:32 GMT -6
Reminds me of the scene in the movie The Green Mile, where he is asked that the "F" happened, to which he answers, an execution, a successful one. I'm sorry, but "botched"? Diaz is dead, right? Not a botched execution then, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Dec 15, 2006 22:33:03 GMT -6
Disregard for the murderer....betcha he had no regard when murdering. But Rick is right.....it isn't botched when it does the trick.
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Post by RED on Dec 16, 2006 8:51:31 GMT -6
Agree. They use the term "botched" as problematic and unusual. To my knowledge, only Willie Francis' execution was botched. Love, RED I'm sorry, but "botched"? Diaz is dead, right? Not a botched execution then, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Kay on Dec 16, 2006 10:20:07 GMT -6
I agree that the end result was not botched, however the procedure itself was, the needles were incorrectly inserted. Surely, if the death penalty is to continue, it's important that the general public percieve the procedure to be as clinical and painless as possible. It would seem to me that situations such as this can only serve to inflame others, who otherwise probably wouldn't have an opinion.
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Post by onetwobomb on Dec 16, 2006 11:47:41 GMT -6
I agree that the end result was not botched, however the procedure itself was, the needles were incorrectly inserted. Surely, if the death penalty is to continue, it's important that the general public percieve the procedure to be as clinical and painless as possible. It would seem to me that situations such as this can only serve to inflame others, who otherwise probably wouldn't have an opinion. I agree. Personally, I couldn't care less if the executee feels pain or not. But if we're going to keep the DP going strong, it's important to keep executions as humane as possible. Because if it gets ugly, anti DP lawyers and activist judges will get even more stays and appeals for DR inmares.
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Post by hotnosh on Dec 16, 2006 13:32:54 GMT -6
Agree. They use the term "botched" as problematic and unusual. To my knowledge, only Willie Francis' execution was botched. Love, RED I'm sorry, but "botched"? Diaz is dead, right? Not a botched execution then, as far as I'm concerned. That's complacent, lazy BS, RED. Of course the doesnt matter coz hes dead routine may be alright now. I will remind you of Diaz when its a long time before the unprofessionalism of Florida DOC staff is put the the test again. If you were that inefficient, you'd be canned. This thread says only what a load of sick, revenge-consumed scumpros drag this board thru the sewers The #1 scumpro Phillips doesnt appear to have woken up yet. Maybe he's slashed his wrists at the prospect of no executions in CA.
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Post by Californian on Dec 16, 2006 13:34:45 GMT -6
Agree. They use the term "botched" as problematic and unusual. To my knowledge, only Willie Francis' execution was botched. Love, RED That's complacent, lazy BS, RED. Of course the doesnt matter coz hes dead routine may be alright now. I will remind you of Diaz when its a long time before the unprofessionalism of Florida DOC staff is put the the test again. If you were that inefficient, you'd be canned. This thread says only what a load of sick, revenge-consumed scumpros drag this board thru the sewers The #1 scumpro Phillips doesnt appear to have woken up yet. Maybe he's slashed his wrists at the prospect of no executions in CA. You seem crabby today, Nosh. Your scumpal girlfriend throw you over for someone with deeper pockets? ;D
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Dec 16, 2006 14:49:58 GMT -6
That's complacent, lazy BS, RED. Of course the doesnt matter coz hes dead routine may be alright now. I will remind you of Diaz when its a long time before the unprofessionalism of Florida DOC staff is put the the test again. If you were that inefficient, you'd be canned. This thread says only what a load of sick, revenge-consumed scumpros drag this board thru the sewers The #1 scumpro Phillips doesnt appear to have woken up yet. Maybe he's slashed his wrists at the prospect of no executions in CA. You seem crabby today, Nosh. Your scumpal girlfriend throw you over for someone with deeper pockets? ;D
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Post by Californian on Dec 17, 2006 20:42:49 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but "botched"? Diaz is dead, right? Not a botched execution then, as far as I'm concerned. Ya know, Rick, ya gotta watch that attitude. Remember, LI has been successful because most of us have had the experience of putting down a beloved pet. We all know how it goes; inject the animal, it goes to sleep. That's the attraction to Joe Average for LI. When it goes bad because the State can't even use everyday medical equipment like a Jelco catheter for the procedure, but instead cheaps out with a plain ol' large bore needle that can cut through the vein and infiltrate, I worry. As I've said many times, that state needs to hire some old retired paramedic as executioner, and get a list of the very inexpensive and ordinary equipment used in hospitals every day, and use it.
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Post by RickZ on Dec 18, 2006 8:51:29 GMT -6
I agree that the end result was not botched, however the procedure itself was, the needles were incorrectly inserted. Were they? I didn't know that if true. Or was there something about the medical history of the inmate, himself, that caused all the hand-wringing? You know, kay, that might be the problem in a nutshell. We are trying to make the death penalty appear painless and clinical. Maybe it should be a little messy, like the smell of burned flesh or gasping inmates breathing in gas. Such executions inspire fear in the inmate and the general public. But having a medical procedure done, and going under the anesthesia, make it almost benign. Instead, make the death penalty something to avoid at all costs. That would increase its deterrence value.
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Post by selene71 on Dec 18, 2006 9:58:38 GMT -6
If the procedure with the needles was performed incorrectly, that individual should be counseled on the correct procedure--just like any other SOP that's handled incorrectly. Things happen. Of course, when a person's life(or death in this case), I can see why the issue is being talked up so much.
If you ask me, I'd say that we can't expect executions to go like clockwork every time, all the time. If it's an equipment failure, fix it for next time; if it's a performance issue, counsel the individual on correct procedure for next time and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
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Post by Felix2 on Dec 18, 2006 10:07:40 GMT -6
If the procedure with the needles was performed incorrectly, that individual should be counseled on the correct procedure--just like any other SOP that's handled incorrectly. Things happen. Of course, when a person's life(or death in this case), I can see why the issue is being talked up so much. If you ask me, I'd say that we can't expect executions to go like clockwork every time, all the time. If it's an equipment failure, fix it for next time; if it's a performance issue, counsel the individual on correct procedure for next time and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. Youre right, a bit like sex really, is'nt it?
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Post by Breka on Dec 18, 2006 10:18:30 GMT -6
I do understand - this case needs to be revealed - In case there was a mistake made (and it appears to be, unless DIAZ was Superman to cope that long with the drugs) then this must be cleared to avoid that this happens again. (A training course in January at Texas might be helpful for the staff) But this is no reason to question the DP as unconstitutional at all . Maybe the method ! But I doubt very much America wants the Guillotine - so stop argue about L.I. and get on with it !
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Post by selene71 on Dec 18, 2006 10:35:14 GMT -6
If the procedure with the needles was performed incorrectly, that individual should be counseled on the correct procedure--just like any other SOP that's handled incorrectly. Things happen. Of course, when a person's life(or death in this case), I can see why the issue is being talked up so much. If you ask me, I'd say that we can't expect executions to go like clockwork every time, all the time. If it's an equipment failure, fix it for next time; if it's a performance issue, counsel the individual on correct procedure for next time and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. Youre right, a bit like sex really, is'nt it? The moment I come of my shell and say something constructive, you have to add the sexual feature to it, Felix. Gee, thanks a lot--sheesh!
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Post by Felix2 on Dec 18, 2006 10:37:33 GMT -6
Youre right, a bit like sex really, is'nt it? The moment I come of my shell and say something constructive, you have to add the sexual feature to it, Felix. Gee, thanks a lot--sheesh! You mean I am that reliable? See, I have a positive self image! LOL
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Post by TexasLady on Dec 18, 2006 10:45:16 GMT -6
Oh darn, I'm all choked up.... As said, it wasn't "botched." He's dead. He's not going to ever kill another person. He lived 27 years longer than his victim. I found this interesting, "But Diaz appeared to be moving 24 minutes after the first injection, grimacing, blinking, licking his lips, blowing and appearing to mouth words" when another site said that he was snoring. As for whether he was in pain, probably not, but even if he were, so what? Bu-bye.
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Post by oslooskar on Dec 18, 2006 14:30:32 GMT -6
As for whether he was in pain, probably not, but even if he were, so what? The Eighth Amendment that’s what!
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Post by onetwobomb on Dec 18, 2006 14:55:36 GMT -6
As for whether he was in pain, probably not, but even if he were, so what? The Eighth Amendment that’s what! Where does the Eigth Ammendment say executions have to be absolutely pain free?
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2006 18:04:44 GMT -6
Simple solution: FIRING SQUAD! It's quick & simple.
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Post by spur on Dec 18, 2006 19:43:10 GMT -6
If the procedure with the needles was performed incorrectly, that individual should be counseled on the correct procedure--just like any other SOP that's handled incorrectly. Things happen. Of course, when a person's life(or death in this case), I can see why the issue is being talked up so much. If you ask me, I'd say that we can't expect executions to go like clockwork every time, all the time. If it's an equipment failure, fix it for next time; if it's a performance issue, counsel the individual on correct procedure for next time and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. I completely agree.....as with all occupations we all must do the best we can....standards and policy are in place and must be adhered to in order to maintain the position..... if the person who inserted the needle was unable to perform their job satisfactorily....then find someone who can and show they were counseled and the person responsible removed from their position. I don't give a rats ass personally if it hurts or not..... but if your job description is to hit a vein then hit it.....thank you for playing and please submit your application to the hospital for specimen collection. This is stupid....how many of "us" have had a vein missed when drawing blood....it suxs don't it..... but don't change the system..... and hold up progress. NEXT! in the words of the great Agaveman
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Post by Grey on Dec 18, 2006 20:45:26 GMT -6
He was a murderer! His victim suffered more pain then him!!! Where is the amendment for the victims cause I'd really like to know.
Its funny and its been mentioned by so many people here that we hear about one "botched" execution and the fact that he suffered "pain" it manages to stop all executions...
however the governer forgets that the victims were not given a sedative, they were brutally murdered for no reason.
Here is the NEW admendment:
Though shall not suffer cruel or unusual treatment...except for the murderer.... ------------------------- and if people continue to murder well that just proves my theory..their idiots and pain don't mean a thing and they do want to die.....
Later Days, Andie
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 20:48:27 GMT -6
If the procedure with the needles was performed incorrectly, that individual should be counseled on the correct procedure--just like any other SOP that's handled incorrectly. Things happen. Of course, when a person's life(or death in this case), I can see why the issue is being talked up so much. If you ask me, I'd say that we can't expect executions to go like clockwork every time, all the time. If it's an equipment failure, fix it for next time; if it's a performance issue, counsel the individual on correct procedure for next time and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. I completely agree.....as with all occupations we all must do the best we can....standards and policy are in place and must be adhered to in order to maintain the position..... if the person who inserted the needle was unable to perform their job satisfactorily....then find someone who can and show they were counseled and the person responsible removed from their position. I don't give a rats ass personally if it hurts or not..... but if your job description is to hit a vein then hit it.....thank you for playing and please submit your application to the hospital for specimen collection. This is stupid....how many of "us" have had a vein missed when drawing blood....it suxs don't it..... but don't change the system..... and hold up progress. NEXT! in the words of the great Agaveman Agree with both of you wholeheartedly. If someone is going to do the job they should do it to the best of their ability. Re-training or re-assignment is obviously in order - if nothing else because of all the caterwauling. You know guys, every time I go with my husband for the tests he has after his heart attack, we spend the first 30 or 45 minutes with them looking for a vein, one after another they try until they finally find one that will cooperate. But they make darned sure it is in the right place before they start pumping stuff in. They should know how to do that much at least. But I still have to shake my head when I read the posts and articles of outrage because this proven brutal savage murderer might have hurt for a few minutes. We stood and watched my daughter dying of those mortal wounds for 2 days people. I know an MVS mom who spent a week watching her son die. We are not the only ones. And our children never murdered anyone. Perspective please.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 20:51:11 GMT -6
Simple solution: FIRING SQUAD! It's quick & simple. I am with you on this one, Tony. Sounds good to me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 20:54:47 GMT -6
He was a murderer! His victim suffered more pain then him!!! Where is the amendment for the victims cause I'd really like to know.
Its funny and its been mentioned by so many people here that we hear about one "botched" execution and the fact that he suffered "pain" it manages to stop all executions...
however the governer forgets that the victims were not given a sedative, they were brutally murdered for no reason.
Here is the NEW admendment:
Though shall not suffer cruel or unusual treatment...except for the murderer.... ------------------------- and if people continue to murder well that just proves my theory..their idiots and pain don't mean a thing and they do want to die.....
Later Days, Andie
You got it right too, Andie! Bless you!!
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Post by oslooskar on Dec 19, 2006 4:06:51 GMT -6
Where does the Eigth Ammendment say executions have to be absolutely pain free? It doesn’t say executions have to be “absolutely pain free”. The Eighth Amendment is there only to ensure that the punishment inflicted upon a person, who is convicted of a crime, is proportional to the crime. This means that a criminal, who is being executed, must not feel more pain than those who have been executed for similar offenses.
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Post by Californian on Dec 19, 2006 8:27:29 GMT -6
Please cite the court case enacting this standard.
You realize, of course, it's impossible to know?
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Post by ltdc on Dec 19, 2006 10:32:44 GMT -6
Where does the Eigth Ammendment say executions have to be absolutely pain free? It doesn’t say executions have to be “absolutely pain free”. The Eighth Amendment is there only to ensure that the punishment inflicted upon a person, who is convicted of a crime, is proportional to the crime. This means that a criminal, who is being executed, must not feel more pain than those who have been executed for similar offenses. so which is it? first you say "proportional to the crime", then you define it as proportional to other executions if it was really proportional to the crime, then I suppose we could toruture them first
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