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Post by phatkat on Jul 17, 2006 14:51:38 GMT -6
If someone's really got it in their head that they want to write to an inmate - ANY prison inmate - they need to be responsible enough to research his crimes and know the facts before they write. For any sane person, some of these crimes (especially anything against children or spouses) should be enough that they would never be able to fall in love with that inmate. Then again, I'll admit to not quite understanding that phenomenon anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 15:12:53 GMT -6
Someone as stupid and creepy as this pen-pal deserved what she got. I doubt many peopel spend time crying over Eva Braun, Hitler's main squeeze. This woman was no better.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 17, 2006 16:03:50 GMT -6
I do think that those kind of websites should offer some protection to their posters (whether they want it or not). You must be a Democrat.
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Post by bigmama on Jul 17, 2006 16:11:16 GMT -6
It's not like his is the only ad for a wife killer though. Does it make that much difference whether he killed a scumpal wife or a regular one or someone else's wife for that matter? I agree as well. It is not much difference between who he killed. However, I do think that those kind of websites should offer some protection to their posters (whether they want it or not). A man that kills one wife, has to be more likely to do so again. And certainly one that befriends a penpal and kills them should not be included on their site. I have a feeling that some of these women do not look at the inmate's crime in detail if at all, so the owners of the websites should do so. Personally, I always wondered about the sanity of any woman that associates themselves with men having violent histories against women. Whether convicted for it or not. And you hear about these men that have gone through several wives. I don't think those sites should exist at all Dea, but since they do, I just don't see any real reason to exclude a murderer who's killed a previous scumpal wife or girlfriend from receiving the benefits of advertising for friends and who knows what else. In a way, that's kind of saying that all the other horrific murders committed by the condemned are somehow not as bad as actually killing one of those very special chosen few who fell in love while corresponding with an imprisoned convict. Kind of like saying "they can rape and kill, even little kids, torture, burn, rob, etc, but *gasp* heaven forbid one of them kill a saintpal, that's where we draw the line, no more letters for that one!" Plus there's no telling what type of women might crawl out from under a rock to flock to one of those most heinous of the heinous. Look how the marriage proposals reportedly poured in for Peterson as he arrived on death row. DeadElvis couldn't have put it better "If you play with turds, you get $hit on your hands."
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Post by Dea on Jul 17, 2006 16:43:32 GMT -6
I do think that those kind of websites should offer some protection to their posters (whether they want it or not). You must be a Democrat. I don't think I'm associated with anything, but I'd rather be a Dem.
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Post by Dea on Jul 17, 2006 16:49:44 GMT -6
I agree as well. It is not much difference between who he killed. However, I do think that those kind of websites should offer some protection to their posters (whether they want it or not). A man that kills one wife, has to be more likely to do so again. And certainly one that befriends a penpal and kills them should not be included on their site. I have a feeling that some of these women do not look at the inmate's crime in detail if at all, so the owners of the websites should do so. Personally, I always wondered about the sanity of any woman that associates themselves with men having violent histories against women. Whether convicted for it or not. And you hear about these men that have gone through several wives. I don't think those sites should exist at all Dea, but since they do, I just don't see any real reason to exclude a murderer who's killed a previous scumpal wife or girlfriend from receiving the benefits of advertising for friends and who knows what else. In a way, that's kind of saying that all the other horrific murders committed by the condemned are somehow not as bad as actually killing one of those very special chosen few who fell in love while corresponding with an imprisoned convict. Kind of like saying "they can rape and kill, even little kids, torture, burn, rob, etc, but *gasp* heaven forbid one of them kill a saintpal, that's where we draw the line, no more letters for that one!" Plus there's no telling what type of women might crawl out from under a rock to flock to one of those most heinous of the heinous. Look how the marriage proposals reportedly poured in for Peterson as he arrived on death row. DeadElvis couldn't have put it better "If you play with turds, you get $hit on your hands." Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't think they should exist either. But its like protecting the mentally challenged. Protect them from themselves a little bit. I wouldn't want to see anyone murdered.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 17, 2006 17:38:12 GMT -6
I don't think I'm associated with anything, but I'd rather be a Dem. The folly of youth.
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Post by beej76 on Jul 17, 2006 20:10:41 GMT -6
I don't think I'm associated with anything, but I'd rather be a Dem. These days, that's a wise choice!
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Post by Stormyweather on Jul 17, 2006 20:59:11 GMT -6
Blind is never the word I had in mind. I'm not against church ministries to prison inmates not even inmates on death row. I'm against people writing love letters and sexual letters to inmates. That's not ministering to them. If a person can't be neutral and control themselves from becoming personally involved they should cease writing to inmates. Yes they need to be ministered to and be brought to realize that what they did wasn't a mistake but a very great sin! They don't need to be coddled, and led to believe that what they did wasn't their fault because something else caused them to do what they did. They don't need to be told nonsense that the state is murdering them. They need to be told that they deserve what they are getting and if they want to be truly save they had better repent of what they did! That's what they need ministered to them. Well, if your so spiritual and knowledgable about what they need ministered to them, then stop acting like every execution is a party and maybe go minister to them to show them their wrongs.... I act like every execution is a party? All I'm glad of is justice is finally served. If they have repented what do they have to worry about. They should feel fortunate that God is willing to forgive them. You shouldn't act like every murderer is a misunderstood individual that if we would all get to know him/her we would realize how nice they really are.
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Post by Stormyweather on Jul 17, 2006 21:01:41 GMT -6
Blind is never the word I had in mind. I'm not against church ministries to prison inmates not even inmates on death row. I'm against people writing love letters and sexual letters to inmates. That's not ministering to them. If a person can't be neutral and control themselves from becoming personally involved they should cease writing to inmates. Yes they need to be ministered to and be brought to realize that what they did wasn't a mistake but a very great sin! They don't need to be coddled, and led to believe that what they did wasn't their fault because something else caused them to do what they did. They don't need to be told nonsense that the state is murdering them. They need to be told that they deserve what they are getting and if they want to be truly save they had better repent of what they did! That's what they need ministered to them. I'm curious how you know what's being written about between DR inmates and their penpals. Boy, you sure have the nitty-gritty of it down pat..................... Been doing it long, have you? Lynne No I don't write to inmates. Just go to the PTO site. You can learn loads there. It was another for penpal who said that's what many letters consist of.
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Post by murphy on Jul 18, 2006 9:57:53 GMT -6
Hi Murphy, Phatckat's not a pro, she's anti, and, I didn't interpret her post to mean that the victim was a fault, I believed she was saying that she felt the system failed society, as is often the case. So many of these people have murdered before, yet they are still released on parole, that to me is a huge problem. Thanks Kay. I can forgive mistaking me for a pro since I haven't been posting much lately. But what in the world would lead someone to think that that post was blaming the victim?? His wife took him to the hospital hoping they would be able to do an accurate psychological assessment and admit him. The only thing I said was that the doc told her to stay away from him, and I threw that in because it was absolutely ludicrous - "Well ma'am, we don't think your husband is dangerous enough to be held, but you should probably get the **** away from him!" I'm sorry, I should have made myself clearer. When I read your post I thought finally, someone has looked into things further and not just the surface. I made the comment about pro's always thinking anti's try to blame the victim and here in this case there is no sympathy for the victim and they blame her for what happened. I meant it as a "general" thing, not just from your post........ sorry that I didn't explain myself better.
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Post by phatkat on Jul 18, 2006 10:51:07 GMT -6
Thanks Kay. I can forgive mistaking me for a pro since I haven't been posting much lately. But what in the world would lead someone to think that that post was blaming the victim?? His wife took him to the hospital hoping they would be able to do an accurate psychological assessment and admit him. The only thing I said was that the doc told her to stay away from him, and I threw that in because it was absolutely ludicrous - "Well ma'am, we don't think your husband is dangerous enough to be held, but you should probably get the **** away from him!" I'm sorry, I should have made myself clearer. When I read your post I thought finally, someone has looked into things further and not just the surface. I made the comment about pro's always thinking anti's try to blame the victim and here in this case there is no sympathy for the victim and they blame her for what happened. I meant it as a "general" thing, not just from your post........ sorry that I didn't explain myself better. Oh....ok.....I can see that now. You mean there are pros blaming the penpal victim, not the first victim (although if a number of people would have done their jobs, there may not have been any victims, and there DEFINITELY shouldn't have been a second victim!) I believe that some people do put themselves in harm's way, but nobody deserves to be murdered.
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Post by murphy on Jul 18, 2006 10:57:14 GMT -6
I'm sorry, I should have made myself clearer. When I read your post I thought finally, someone has looked into things further and not just the surface. I made the comment about pro's always thinking anti's try to blame the victim and here in this case there is no sympathy for the victim and they blame her for what happened. I meant it as a "general" thing, not just from your post........ sorry that I didn't explain myself better. Oh....ok.....I can see that now. You mean there are pros blaming the penpal victim, not the first victim (although if a number of people would have done their jobs, there may not have been any victims, and there DEFINITELY shouldn't have been a second victim!) I believe that some people do put themselves in harm's way, but nobody deserves to be murdered. Exactly what I was trying to say. Take for example the above post from Beedo..... Someone as stupid and creepy as this pen-pal deserved what she got. I doubt many peopel spend time crying over Eva Braun, Hitler's main squeeze. This woman was no better.No one "deserves" to be murdered. When I lived in Fayetteville, NC (Home of the 82nd Airborne) there was a woman that had gone downtown at 2 in the morning to wash her car and was raped. Many said she asked for. While it is her right to wash her when she wants, we all have to use our knowledge and understand that in this society, whether it's right does not mean that we should push the issue and do it. This woman did not deserve to be raped nor did the pen pal wife deserved to be murdered.
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Post by depressio on Jul 24, 2006 10:41:21 GMT -6
No one deserves to be raped and/or murdered, but there are certain steps that people can take to mitigate their risk of such.
One of those is, "Don't develop a love interest with a violent inmate." I'm not sure what the controversy is; it seems like common sense to me. Everyone needs to take at least partial responsibility for their own personal safety. Your mom probably told you when you were young to not hang out with the "wrong crowd". For good reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2006 6:06:20 GMT -6
hmm, this was indeed an interesting case, and i dont think that the penpal ad on CCADP would have been from before, since the murder was in 1991, probably before the existence of CCADP. Yes i am an anti, and i have written to one person on death row, NOT for romance, i'm perfectly happy with my hubby at the moment.... (ask me again in an hour or two.. that can ALWAYS change.. lol) i have really never understood how women can fall in love with or even marry someone in prison.. seriously, when my hubby was in the Army and away, he used to write the MOST wonderful letters.. lol.. i think all men, and even women have the ability to put in words what they know the other person wants to hear, and i think it can be VERY deceiving.. the inmate i wrote, he didnt try that, not on me anyway, but i CAN see i guess how lonely women or women with low self esteem can be swayed by the letters men write.. anyway, i read up on this case, as i found it disturbing.. Evidently the guy was a vietnam vet, he had been evaluated by the Cali VA and they didnt keep him, he was on parole and had been ordered to stay away from his "wife" the case is very disturbing, the images are harsh... and it really should be talked about more, funny i had never heard of it until now.. they did say he suffered from schizophrenia, however he had been taking some classes to be a mechanic i believe it was and was said to be "very intelligent" it also appears he had been married 2 other times, with his first wife it appears he was violent as well as with the 2nd wife whom he killed. for those with strong stomachs i found the appeal he tried, its a PDF file and very graphic.... but i do think all women should read it before they are allowed to write to someone in prison.... even me.. an anti... imagine that... caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/californiastatecases/s041630.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2006 17:38:36 GMT -6
Sorry, but some people do deserve to be murdered....everyone on death row, for example. Further, anyone who has murdered another person, frankly, deserves to be murdered themselves. For me, a scumbag who gives "love and comfort" to a murderer is very close to deserving to get murdered.
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Post by spur on Aug 1, 2006 17:51:15 GMT -6
Beedo.....gezzzz.....you gonna steal my crown brother. I do understand what your saying though. I prefer to word it this way.....
"If a murderer does kill someone..... I would personally rather them kill someone who was responsible for them being back in society or fights for their freedom even when guilty."
Kenneth Allen Mc Shyt for example was paroled by the state of Texas even though the POS was on deathrow. Texas put the brakes on executions and this piece of whale shyt somehow had his sentence commuted to life. Somehow this hot steaming corn infested turd slip through our systems sewer pipe of ethical and political weakness.......he killed several more people once the board paroled him. Instead of innocent people being sadistically raped, tortured and murdered by the nutsack.....I would have rather it been the ones responsible for his release.
They wouldn't have deserved it however it would have been the responsible victims for lack of a better term.
I hate murderers and no one deserves it.....but I kinda like the way your thinking....carry on
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Post by Kay on Aug 1, 2006 18:22:34 GMT -6
Beedo.....gezzzz.....you gonna steal my crown brother. I do understand what your saying though. I prefer to word it this way..... "If a murderer does kill someone..... I would personally rather them kill someone who was responsible for them being back in society or fights for their freedom even when guilty." Kenneth Allen Mc Shyt for example was paroled by the state of Texas even though the POS was on deathrow. Texas put the brakes on executions and this piece of whale shyt somehow had his sentence commuted to life. Somehow this hot steaming corn infested turd slip through our systems sewer pipe of ethical and political weakness.......he killed several more people once the board paroled him. Instead of innocent people being sadistically raped, tortured and murdered by the nutsack.....I would have rather it been the ones responsible for his release. They wouldn't have deserved it however it would have been the responsible victims for lack of a better term. I hate murderers and no one deserves it.....but I kinda like the way your thinking....carry on Hello Spur, Are you saying that simply because someone opposes the death penalty, they are somehow responsible, if they are murdered?
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Post by spur on Aug 1, 2006 19:09:08 GMT -6
Beedo.....gezzzz.....you gonna steal my crown brother. I do understand what your saying though. I prefer to word it this way..... "If a murderer does kill someone..... I would personally rather them kill someone who was responsible for them being back in society or fights for their freedom even when guilty." Kenneth Allen Mc Shyt for example was paroled by the state of Texas even though the POS was on deathrow. Texas put the brakes on executions and this piece of whale shyt somehow had his sentence commuted to life. Somehow this hot steaming corn infested turd slip through our systems sewer pipe of ethical and political weakness.......he killed several more people once the board paroled him. Instead of innocent people being sadistically raped, tortured and murdered by the nutsack.....I would have rather it been the ones responsible for his release. They wouldn't have deserved it however it would have been the responsible victims for lack of a better term. I hate murderers and no one deserves it.....but I kinda like the way your thinking....carry on Hello Spur, Are you saying that simply because someone opposes the death penalty, they are somehow responsible, if they are murdered? No, Im saying that if a murderer is released back into society..... and they chose to again take a life its easier for me to deal with my anger if they took the life of the ones responsible for them being back on the streets. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself very well....maybe I should have just left Beedo's comment alone because I mostly agree with what he said.....but no one deserves to be murdered. Its like I don't feel I should have to die of AID's...... for two other strangers having unprotected sex that I have never met......let the ones who light the fire get burned....pretty soon they will stay away from the matches. Please tell me how you even pulled that thought from what I wrote.....I made it clear I felt that those people voted on a board to release McShyt from prison....I would have rather had them be the victims instead of people who had nothing to do with his release.... if in fact there had to be victims....which there were victims as a result of their bad decision. OK....maybe I see where your going and I think I agree with what you said.... but Im refering to a POS who has alreay been convicted and released of murder.
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Post by Kay on Aug 1, 2006 19:25:47 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying your post Spur. I understand better to what you were referring. Edited to add, I still disagree
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 13:25:26 GMT -6
Amen Spur, I get what you are saying. Its kind of like you sort of hope a liberal judge who takes it easy on violent criminals gets mugged some day....I guess nobody deserves it, but if its got to happen to somebody, why not have it teach somebody a lesson.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 18:30:01 GMT -6
As for his pen pal/wife goes....duhhh!
If he was locked up for killing his wife then why ....it doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the pen pal wasn't ment to be in the gene pool. I do feel sorry for her mother.
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