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Post by Californian on Jul 13, 2006 17:14:48 GMT -6
All: Remember when I asked in a different thread if any of the scumpal wives were serial scumpals? Well, this is kinda related. My squeeze, a Private Investigator, is taking a summer course at Stanford called 'The Mind of Murder." Each week, they present several actual cases and discuss what happened. Last night's subject was Phillip Jablonski, now on DR in California. Jablonski obtained a scumpal wife in prison, then when he got out, murdered not only her, but her mother, as well. (edit) Did I mention when he married scumpal wifey, he was in the joint for murdering his previous wife? The facts are outlined in the Appeals Court case in this link. So, it appears that being a scumpal wife can be dangerous to one's health! tinyurl.com/rs7rxLastly, when I used Google to get some more info on the guy for this thread, what should pop up but this ad on the CCRAP site: "I ask your indulgence ladies and promise to be as brief as possible, allow me to introduce myself. Lonely death row Teddy-White male, 54 year old, 204 Lbs,6'2, seeking female teddy bear who is nonjudgmental, compassionate and affectionate. I need some who cares, who does not mind writing open hearted and understanding, photo if possible, any age, any ethnicity. I am a professional artist, amateur poet, college educated, sincere, loving, romantic, honest. My interests are football, baseball, art, history and learning about different cultures. Age, sex, race or religion doesn't matter. Open minded, good sense of humour, sincere. Pick up that pen and pay me a visit you will not be disappointed with our relationship. If you are a student and doing research or a person seeking religious testimonies. Please not waste both of our precious time and stamps. I'll not acknowledge these kinds of correspondances.Please don't allow my situation to keep you from writing. Respectfully yours,
Phillip Jablonski C-02477 5-E-95 San Quentin State Prison San Quentin, CA 94964"Hey, some "teddy bear," eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2006 17:32:42 GMT -6
I have to say Californian, the fact that Jablonski was in prison doing time for the murder of his third wife in 1979 when Carol Spadoni met him would have been enough to set the alarm bells ringing for me, let alone marry the guy.
Neither am I saying that she deserved her fate, because I don't think that she did. Especially as she had left the guy. But my greatest sympathy is for her poor mother.
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Post by Californian on Jul 13, 2006 17:39:20 GMT -6
I have to say Californian, the fact that Jablonski was in prison doing time for the murder of his third wife in 1979 when Carol Spadoni met him would have been enough to set the alarm bells ringing for me, let alone marry the guy. Neither am I saying that she deserved her fate, because I don't think that she did. Especially as she had left the guy. But my greatest sympathy is for her poor mother. Yes, I agree. Can we agree that it's a tad irresponsible for the CCRAP board to put up a scumpal request for this clown, given that, well, he's killed the last one?
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Post by murphy on Jul 13, 2006 18:42:46 GMT -6
Just out of curiousity, was the ad on ccapd board put up before or after he killed this woman?
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Post by spur on Jul 13, 2006 18:49:45 GMT -6
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Post by Californian on Jul 13, 2006 19:24:36 GMT -6
Just out of curiousity, was the ad on ccapd board put up before or after he killed this woman? After. What's the matter? don't you think people can change?
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Post by kma367 on Jul 13, 2006 19:42:14 GMT -6
I have to say Californian, the fact that Jablonski was in prison doing time for the murder of his third wife in 1979 when Carol Spadoni met him would have been enough to set the alarm bells ringing for me, let alone marry the guy. Neither am I saying that she deserved her fate, because I don't think that she did. Especially as she had left the guy. But my greatest sympathy is for her poor mother. He probably told her he was innocent, wrongfully convicted, etc. etc. and she believed him. kma367
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Post by murphy on Jul 13, 2006 19:45:36 GMT -6
Just out of curiousity, was the ad on ccapd board put up before or after he killed this woman? After. What's the matter? don't you think people can change? Oh yeah, I do believe people can change.... however, I do believe that ccadp was negligent in putting up an ad after this man was convicted of killing this woman knowing that she started out as a pen pal and that this wasn't the "first" wife he killed should have been a clue. I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem.
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Jul 14, 2006 0:40:39 GMT -6
After. What's the matter? don't you think people can change? Oh yeah, I do believe people can change.... however, I do believe that ccadp was negligent in putting up an ad after this man was convicted of killing this woman knowing that she started out as a pen pal and that this wasn't the "first" wife he killed should have been a clue. I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. And what makes you think the same people in church are not those who post those things? Usually another clueless bunch trying to get the inmate mail.
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Post by DeadElvis on Jul 14, 2006 7:04:26 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I do believe people can change.... however, I do believe that ccadp was negligent in putting up an ad after this man was convicted of killing this woman knowing that she started out as a pen pal and that this wasn't the "first" wife he killed should have been a clue. I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. And what makes you think the same people in church are not those who post those things? Usually another clueless bunch trying to get the inmate mail. True. I also think that these stories do little to motivate those who are looking for love in all the wrong places. They probably think that their particular murderer "pet" is incapable of such things and has truly changed or is truly innocent. It is hard to muster up sympathy for folks when their pets turn on them. Like the old saying: If you play with turds, you get $hit on your hands.
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Post by murphy on Jul 14, 2006 8:43:41 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I do believe people can change.... however, I do believe that ccadp was negligent in putting up an ad after this man was convicted of killing this woman knowing that she started out as a pen pal and that this wasn't the "first" wife he killed should have been a clue. I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. And what makes you think the same people in church are not those who post those things? Usually another clueless bunch trying to get the inmate mail. Do you go to church? If so, does your church have a prison ministry? Some church's do, some don't. I think it would be wrong to judge christian ministries and lump them into the same catagory as ccadp
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Post by Californian on Jul 14, 2006 9:18:54 GMT -6
Really? I think the correct word would not be "wrong," but rather "accurate."
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jul 14, 2006 20:00:09 GMT -6
Just out of curiousity, was the ad on ccapd board put up before or after he killed this woman? Obviously afterward. He did not get a death sentence for the first murder, so he would not have been on CCADP at the time.
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Post by bigmama on Jul 15, 2006 10:09:48 GMT -6
After. What's the matter? don't you think people can change? Oh yeah, I do believe people can change.... however, I do believe that ccadp was negligent in putting up an ad after this man was convicted of killing this woman knowing that she started out as a pen pal and that this wasn't the "first" wife he killed should have been a clue. I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. It's not like his is the only ad for a wife killer though. Does it make that much difference whether he killed a scumpal wife or a regular one or someone else's wife for that matter?
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Post by Moonbeam on Jul 15, 2006 13:41:04 GMT -6
You're right Bigmama, it doesn't (or shouldn't) matter at all. I guess though these women will still think, "he wouldn't do it to me"
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Post by RickZ on Jul 15, 2006 14:13:27 GMT -6
Last night's subject was Phillip Jablonski, now on DR in California. Jablonski obtained a scumpal wife in prison, then when he got out, murdered not only her, but her mother, as well. (edit) Did I mention when he married scumpal wifey, he was in the joint for murdering his previous wife? While I always enjoy reading about Darwin Award winners, what I find reprehensible is the risk to which such Darwin Award winners put their real families, like the mother of the Darwin Award winner you mentioned. I also love the fact that he's still offering to help more Darwin Award nominees achieve their Darwinian fate with his 'I'm lonely on death row' and "seeking female teddy bear who is nonjudgmental" ad. (I bet he doesn't want a judgemental scum-pal!) Time for some 'Truth in Advertizing' Laws to be applied to such ridiculous death row scum-pal ads. At least force the placement of the crime for which they were convicted to be included in any such scum-pal requests.
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Post by Kay on Jul 15, 2006 17:24:55 GMT -6
Last night's subject was Phillip Jablonski, now on DR in California. Jablonski obtained a scumpal wife in prison, then when he got out, murdered not only her, but her mother, as well. (edit) Did I mention when he married scumpal wifey, he was in the joint for murdering his previous wife? While I always enjoy reading about Darwin Award winners, what I find reprehensible is the risk to which such Darwin Award winners put their real families, like the mother of the Darwin Award winner you mentioned. I also love the fact that he's still offering to help more Darwin Award nominees achieve their Darwinian fate with his 'I'm lonely on death row' and "seeking female teddy bear who is nonjudgmental" ad. (I bet he doesn't want a judgemental scum-pal!) Time for some 'Truth in Advertizing' Laws to be applied to such ridiculous death row scum-pal ads. At least force the placement of the crime for which they were convicted to be included in any such scum-pal requests. I like your suggestion Rick, but I'm not sure it would do much to disourage such relationships. A perfect example is a member here, who recently complained about the publicity her pen pal had received. I still wonder why people are interested in forming such a relationship, a conviction of murder and a sentence of death would be more than enough to deter me. On a spiritual level, while I find much comfort and peace in my beliefs, my heart is not generous enough to relate personally to murderers, and if they have a conversion, I feel this is between themselves and God.
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Post by bigmama on Jul 15, 2006 18:07:13 GMT -6
While I always enjoy reading about Darwin Award winners, what I find reprehensible is the risk to which such Darwin Award winners put their real families, like the mother of the Darwin Award winner you mentioned. I also love the fact that he's still offering to help more Darwin Award nominees achieve their Darwinian fate with his 'I'm lonely on death row' and "seeking female teddy bear who is nonjudgmental" ad. (I bet he doesn't want a judgemental scum-pal!) Time for some 'Truth in Advertizing' Laws to be applied to such ridiculous death row scum-pal ads. At least force the placement of the crime for which they were convicted to be included in any such scum-pal requests. I like your suggestion Rick, but I'm not sure it would do much to disourage such relationships. A perfect example is a member here, who recently complained about the publicity her pen pal had received. I still wonder why people are interested in forming such a relationship, a conviction of murder and a sentence of death would be more than enough to deter me. On a spiritual level, while I find much comfort and peace in my beliefs, my heart is not generous enough to relate personally to murderers, and if they have a conversion, I feel this is between themselves and God. Of course you're right, does anyone seriously believe these scumpals don't ferret out the facts of their pet's murder(s) immediately upon becoming their scumpal, if not before? Please. Go blow sunshine up someone else's skirt with that nonsense about not wanting to know until he's ready to tell... right... wink wink...
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Post by phatkat on Jul 15, 2006 18:57:33 GMT -6
Interesting side note: his name came up in my ethical issues in counseling class today. Apparently his first murder set an important precedent in the field - his then wife took him to the hospital twice in one day (apparently he agreed to go) because she was afraid he was going to hurt her. Instead of checking into his background (which included rape), they assessed that he was no danger and let him go. One doctor even told his wife to stay away from him. After he killed her, their daughter sued the hospital and won, putting more pressure on hospitals in the future to hold a dangerous person and do a thorough mental assessment. Looks like there were plenty of mistakes made with this guy - after the hospital missed the boat, he only did what, five years for murder?
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Jul 17, 2006 1:10:03 GMT -6
And what makes you think the same people in church are not those who post those things? Usually another clueless bunch trying to get the inmate mail. Do you go to church? If so, does your church have a prison ministry? Some church's do, some don't. I think it would be wrong to judge christian ministries and lump them into the same catagory as ccadp I do go to church which is a moot point and I speak from experience with those groups. I have 25 years working with all those groups who come in. Again I was in Corrections. Next.
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Post by rosebud on Jul 17, 2006 4:53:45 GMT -6
Isn;'t it sweet the CCADP board helping him find his next victim. Lets hope he never escapes.
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Post by phatkat on Jul 17, 2006 7:16:33 GMT -6
Lets hope he never escapes. Oh right, because people escape from San Quentin aaaaalllll the time. You pros pick the strangest things to worry about.
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Post by murphy on Jul 17, 2006 8:55:17 GMT -6
Interesting side note: his name came up in my ethical issues in counseling class today. Apparently his first murder set an important precedent in the field - his then wife took him to the hospital twice in one day (apparently he agreed to go) because she was afraid he was going to hurt her. Instead of checking into his background (which included rape), they assessed that he was no danger and let him go. One doctor even told his wife to stay away from him. After he killed her, their daughter sued the hospital and won, putting more pressure on hospitals in the future to hold a dangerous person and do a thorough mental assessment. Looks like there were plenty of mistakes made with this guy - after the hospital missed the boat, he only did what, five years for murder? It's funny how I have seen people get upet here because they think the anti's always seem to blame the victim....... yet here is a case where the pro's are blaming the victim....
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Post by Stormyweather on Jul 17, 2006 9:13:17 GMT -6
I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. Blind is never the word I had in mind. I'm not against church ministries to prison inmates not even inmates on death row. I'm against people writing love letters and sexual letters to inmates. That's not ministering to them. If a person can't be neutral and control themselves from becoming personally involved they should cease writing to inmates. Yes they need to be ministered to and be brought to realize that what they did wasn't a mistake but a very great sin! They don't need to be coddled, and led to believe that what they did wasn't their fault because something else caused them to do what they did. They don't need to be told nonsense that the state is murdering them. They need to be told that they deserve what they are getting and if they want to be truly save they had better repent of what they did! That's what they need ministered to them.
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Post by jennaleigh on Jul 17, 2006 10:05:08 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I do believe people can change.... however, I do believe that ccadp was negligent in putting up an ad after this man was convicted of killing this woman knowing that she started out as a pen pal and that this wasn't the "first" wife he killed should have been a clue. I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. It's not like his is the only ad for a wife killer though. Does it make that much difference whether he killed a scumpal wife or a regular one or someone else's wife for that matter? Absolutely agree, bigmama. The issue shouldn't be who he killed, but rather that he killed, period.
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Post by murphy on Jul 17, 2006 10:57:58 GMT -6
I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. Blind is never the word I had in mind. I'm not against church ministries to prison inmates not even inmates on death row. I'm against people writing love letters and sexual letters to inmates. That's not ministering to them. If a person can't be neutral and control themselves from becoming personally involved they should cease writing to inmates. Yes they need to be ministered to and be brought to realize that what they did wasn't a mistake but a very great sin! They don't need to be coddled, and led to believe that what they did wasn't their fault because something else caused them to do what they did. They don't need to be told nonsense that the state is murdering them. They need to be told that they deserve what they are getting and if they want to be truly save they had better repent of what they did! That's what they need ministered to them. Well, if your so spiritual and knowledgable about what they need ministered to them, then stop acting like every execution is a party and maybe go minister to them to show them their wrongs....
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Post by Kay on Jul 17, 2006 11:25:49 GMT -6
Interesting side note: his name came up in my ethical issues in counseling class today. Apparently his first murder set an important precedent in the field - his then wife took him to the hospital twice in one day (apparently he agreed to go) because she was afraid he was going to hurt her. Instead of checking into his background (which included rape), they assessed that he was no danger and let him go. One doctor even told his wife to stay away from him. After he killed her, their daughter sued the hospital and won, putting more pressure on hospitals in the future to hold a dangerous person and do a thorough mental assessment. Looks like there were plenty of mistakes made with this guy - after the hospital missed the boat, he only did what, five years for murder? It's funny how I have seen people get upet here because they think the anti's always seem to blame the victim....... yet here is a case where the pro's are blaming the victim.... Hi Murphy, Phatckat's not a pro, she's anti, and, I didn't interpret her post to mean that the victim was a fault, I believed she was saying that she felt the system failed society, as is often the case. So many of these people have murdered before, yet they are still released on parole, that to me is a huge problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 12:45:10 GMT -6
I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. Blind is never the word I had in mind. I'm not against church ministries to prison inmates not even inmates on death row. I'm against people writing love letters and sexual letters to inmates. That's not ministering to them. If a person can't be neutral and control themselves from becoming personally involved they should cease writing to inmates. Yes they need to be ministered to and be brought to realize that what they did wasn't a mistake but a very great sin! They don't need to be coddled, and led to believe that what they did wasn't their fault because something else caused them to do what they did. They don't need to be told nonsense that the state is murdering them. They need to be told that they deserve what they are getting and if they want to be truly save they had better repent of what they did! That's what they need ministered to them. I'm curious how you know what's being written about between DR inmates and their penpals. Boy, you sure have the nitty-gritty of it down pat..................... Been doing it long, have you? Lynne
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Post by Dea on Jul 17, 2006 13:08:00 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I do believe people can change.... however, I do believe that ccadp was negligent in putting up an ad after this man was convicted of killing this woman knowing that she started out as a pen pal and that this wasn't the "first" wife he killed should have been a clue. I'm not as blind as most people think and actually do not believe in "pen pal" sites like the ccadp because there are not securities put on there. Through church, ministries or places like that I don't see a problem. It's not like his is the only ad for a wife killer though. Does it make that much difference whether he killed a scumpal wife or a regular one or someone else's wife for that matter? I agree as well. It is not much difference between who he killed. However, I do think that those kind of websites should offer some protection to their posters (whether they want it or not). A man that kills one wife, has to be more likely to do so again. And certainly one that befriends a penpal and kills them should not be included on their site. I have a feeling that some of these women do not look at the inmate's crime in detail if at all, so the owners of the websites should do so. Personally, I always wondered about the sanity of any woman that associates themselves with men having violent histories against women. Whether convicted for it or not. And you hear about these men that have gone through several wives.
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Post by phatkat on Jul 17, 2006 14:48:41 GMT -6
It's funny how I have seen people get upet here because they think the anti's always seem to blame the victim....... yet here is a case where the pro's are blaming the victim.... Hi Murphy, Phatckat's not a pro, she's anti, and, I didn't interpret her post to mean that the victim was a fault, I believed she was saying that she felt the system failed society, as is often the case. So many of these people have murdered before, yet they are still released on parole, that to me is a huge problem. Thanks Kay. I can forgive mistaking me for a pro since I haven't been posting much lately. But what in the world would lead someone to think that that post was blaming the victim?? His wife took him to the hospital hoping they would be able to do an accurate psychological assessment and admit him. The only thing I said was that the doc told her to stay away from him, and I threw that in because it was absolutely ludicrous - "Well ma'am, we don't think your husband is dangerous enough to be held, but you should probably get the **** away from him!"
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