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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 17, 2018 9:49:21 GMT -6
Will be about Charles Mason. It;s now 50 yrs ago & he "finally" died at 83 recently.
I Know when will his name & attention go away. From what I understand it is mostly from a child to the gruesome crimes committed, & how he got these young followers of his to be at his command.
The young followers were pretty much like any young impressionable, lost trying to find themselves teens before Mason. It is worth taking a look at how a monster is born. His childhood, jail, prison & even society were all a series of creating a monster.
The large piece of this puzzle is how did he get mental control, besides drugs of course? I mean these murders were insanely gruesome, no human remorse at all. How do you program this kind of mental control?
Look what Hitler did on a mass scale? Scary indeed.
How the hell? I see some insight into what created a monster with Manson, yet how did these young followers get so brutally insanely controlled by him, coming from average backgrounds?
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Post by hawg on Sept 17, 2018 10:40:52 GMT -6
...yet how did these young followers get so brutally insanely controlled by him, coming from average backgrounds? how did Hillary actually get votes? human's are strange creatures.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 17, 2018 10:56:27 GMT -6
...yet how did these young followers get so brutally insanely controlled by him, coming from average backgrounds? how did Hillary actually get votes? human's are strange creatures. Scary isn't it.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 21, 2018 9:17:34 GMT -6
how did these young followers get so brutally insanely controlled by him, coming from average backgrounds? This is kind of a stupid question, implying, as it does, that Charles Manson's powers of persuasion were at all extraordinary or formidable. We are each born with sufficient "programming" to commit acts of murder. That is who we are. We are merely waiting for sufficient inducements to do it.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 21, 2018 9:57:48 GMT -6
how did these young followers get so brutally insanely controlled by him, coming from average backgrounds? This is kind of a stupid question, implying, as it does, that Charles Manson's powers of persuasion were at all extraordinary or formidable. We are each born with sufficient "programming" to commit acts of murder. That is who we are. We are merely waiting for sufficient inducements to do it. Speaking for yourself Joe? It took Manson 2 yrs to program them( by using drugs, booze, music & isolation. Even Manson knew which ones would be capable of carrying out his plan. Even sober no remorse, real remorse. No nightmares. Yes, some are capable Manson knew that & also knew not all are, even under those conditions. That sounds like an excuse that anti's use to protect murderers from the DP. That's like saying only the poor kill.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 24, 2018 14:13:06 GMT -6
Speaking for yourself Joe? No, I speak for everyone. Evolution, biology, thousands of years of human history and common sense don't lie. Each and every one of us is capable of murder. That is the whole point of making it illegal. It took Manson 2 yrs to program them (by using drugs, booze, music & isolation. Even Manson knew which ones would be capable of carrying out his plan. How, then, do you explain their convictions? They weren't even held partially to blame. They all got the death penalty. Even sober no remorse, real remorse. No nightmares. Yes, some are capable Manson knew that & also knew not all are, even under those conditions. That sounds like an excuse that anti's use to protect murderers from the DP. This is gibberish. Killing someone, and killing him/her with malice, is not nearly as hard as it sounds. Every one of us can think of a circumstance when s/he would do it, and do it without the slightest degree of guilt. Furthermore those opposed to capital punishment are just as opposed to murder as you are. As a matter of fact, most of the time jurors in capital cases spare the lives of those convicted of murder. Are they making excuses for the killers?
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Post by oslooskar on Sept 24, 2018 16:58:13 GMT -6
Killing someone, and killing him/her with malice, is not nearly as hard as it sounds. Every one of us can think of a circumstance when s/he would do it, and do it without the slightest degree of guilt. True! I know from personal experience that if not for the fear of consequences I would have been the real life version of Paul Kersey, the main character portrayed by Charles Bronson in Death Wish.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 25, 2018 8:49:03 GMT -6
Speaking for yourself Joe? No, I speak for everyone. Evolution, biology, thousands of years of human history and common sense don't lie. Each and every one of us is capable of murder. That is the whole point of making it illegal. It took Manson 2 yrs to program them (by using drugs, booze, music & isolation. Even Manson knew which ones would be capable of carrying out his plan. How, then, do you explain their convictions? They weren't even held partially to blame. They all got the death penalty. Even sober no remorse, real remorse. No nightmares. Yes, some are capable Manson knew that & also knew not all are, even under those conditions. That sounds like an excuse that anti's use to protect murderers from the DP. This is gibberish. Killing someone, and killing him/her with malice, is not nearly as hard as it sounds. Every one of us can think of a circumstance when s/he would do it, and do it without the slightest degree of guilt. Furthermore those opposed to capital punishment are just as opposed to murder as you are. As a matter of fact, most of the time jurors in capital cases spare the lives of those convicted of murder. Are they making excuses for the killers? You brought up the movie Death Wish in another post reply. Seems to me he had the nerve to walk alone at night & was attacked. He did know he would be, he shot them in self defense. They attacked him first he did not provoke. Speak for yourself I had situations were I may have thought of killing someone, never did. I have always had a gun & know how to use it. Some people find to many excuses to kill not all of us. You cannot speak for all mankind. As far as the DP, some who kill then kill themselves too. We need & it is justified to have a DP for (some) depending on circumstances of their capability of thinking like your saying we all" have & will do again. Murder for the personal desire they want to murder. As prison has proven. Some people commit suicide like some of our vets, hard to live with then come back to life as we live it. Abortion some women say its my body, no if it was your body you would have died. Yes, some find reasons to kill, at least our vets it was self defense ugly but, self defense.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 25, 2018 16:07:53 GMT -6
You brought up the movie Death Wish in another post reply. I did not. You have me confused with someone else. Speak for yourself I had situations were I may have thought of killing someone, never did. I have always had a gun & know how to use it. That you haven't been motivated doesn't mean you never will be. You would do it for money. Anyone would, if the price was right. You would do it if you expected your victim would go on to kill someone, or had already done so. You would do it if someone was breaking into your home even if your life wasn't in danger. You would certainly be more likely to do it if it were legal. You cannot speak for all mankind. I don't have to. History, sociology, biology, psychology all buttress the irrefutable statement. As far as the DP, some who kill then kill themselves too. We need & it is justified to have a DP for (some) depending on circumstances of their capability of thinking like your saying we all" have & will do again. Murder for the personal desire they want to murder. As prison has proven. This isn't even remotely logical. No state "needs" capital punishment. It's hardly ever used and as such can never serve as moral instruction to the people most likely to commit murder.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 25, 2018 16:55:29 GMT -6
You brought up the movie Death Wish in another post reply. I did not. You have me confused with someone else. Speak for yourself I had situations were I may have thought of killing someone, never did. I have always had a gun & know how to use it. That you haven't been motivated doesn't mean you never will be. You would do it for money. Anyone would, if the price was right. You would do it if you expected your victim would go on to kill someone, or had already done so. You would do it if someone was breaking into your home even if your life wasn't in danger. You would certainly be more likely to do it if it were legal. You cannot speak for all mankind. I don't have to. History, sociology, biology, psychology all buttress the irrefutable statement. As far as the DP, some who kill then kill themselves too. We need & it is justified to have a DP for (some) depending on circumstances of their capability of thinking like your saying we all" have & will do again. Murder for the personal desire they want to murder. As prison has proven. This isn't even remotely logical. No state "needs" capital punishment. It's hardly ever used and as such can never serve as moral instruction to the people most likely to commit murder. Yes, that was Osk who brought up the movie " Death Wish. We will have to agree to disagree. Only ones who need to be gone are the ones I already mentioned. At least some killers have some value, they kill themselves too. Many very poor people have not nor will kill for or $$$. History & all those mentioned cannot speak for every individual as a 100 % . Also I do not have any victims. Coming from a guy that says, all that murder should get the DP. No 3 degrees,murder is murder. Then according to history etc we would all be dead, no mankind left over the centuries.
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