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Post by whitediamonds on May 31, 2015 11:07:38 GMT -6
Me thinks that is rehabilitation at it's finest, forever lasting.
Comes with a forever warranty & with fringe benefits too.
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Post by bernard on May 31, 2015 14:53:09 GMT -6
Me thinks that is rehabilitation at it's finest, forever lasting. Comes with a forever warranty & with fringe benefits too. There are several problems with advocating for the dp for sexual abuse of a minor. The first is drawing an appropriate line. If Jim is born one day before Sally, they date throughout their teens, and on his eighteenth birthday she seduces him, you want to give him lethal injection? Even in the case where the offender is older and the victim a clear child, you have to decide what it is that you think deserves death. Is it: (1) Doing something that whitediamonds finds sexually repugnant. (2) Traumatizing a child. I assume it's (2), but then why aren't you advocating death for other forms of traumatizing a child? (You don't seem to care about traumatizing a child by executing its father.)
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Post by whitediamonds on May 31, 2015 15:01:42 GMT -6
Guess you did not bother to read a teacher ped did this to 20 some kids. China cares about their kids. Barney.........
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Post by bernard on May 31, 2015 18:11:32 GMT -6
Guess you did not bother to read a teacher ped did this to 20 some kids. China cares about their kids. Barney......... I want to punish pedophiles because they traumatize kids. But what do you want to punish them for? You have no problem with traumatizing kids if that's a consequence of executing their parents.
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Post by nate on Oct 7, 2015 16:32:31 GMT -6
just people being sadistic.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 7, 2015 16:49:51 GMT -6
Putin, has a ;new way of dealing with peds just read in today's news.
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Post by bernard on Oct 26, 2015 1:24:01 GMT -6
Putin, has a ;new way of dealing with peds just read in today's news. If you admire Putin so much, you should move to Russia.
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 2, 2015 9:17:24 GMT -6
Putin, has a ;new way of dealing with peds just read in today's news. If you admire Putin so much, you should move to Russia. I will say this about Putin, he has a beautiful & classy wife.
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Post by nate on Mar 2, 2016 16:38:18 GMT -6
No, that's certainly not enough. Take their property AND their liberty. Sex crimes where there is consent are not violent, by definition. Children who are under the age of consent are, by definition, unable to give consent. Paedophiles abuse children who are under the age of consent and their actions are the most vile and violent of crimes. Hate to be contrary but the actions of the pedophile may have done no harm at all and may not be vile or violent. Each incident is a separate experience felt by an individual. In fact,the police and family,public response to the 'crime' might be the most traumatic of all.
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Post by nate on Mar 2, 2016 16:40:25 GMT -6
Putin, has a ;new way of dealing with peds just read in today's news. He has his own way of dealing with 'sex crimes' between consenting adults as well. He's a fascist.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 29, 2016 14:21:18 GMT -6
If you turned out to be wrong, and rehabilitation was possible, would you agree with the individual being detained after he has paid his debt until the rehabilitation is complete? It's not that I believe rehabilitation to be impossible, however one defines "rehabilitation." It's that "rehabilitation" is irrelevant. The purpose of incarceration isn't "rehabilitation." It's punishment. Nothing more.
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Post by bernard on Mar 29, 2016 14:59:03 GMT -6
If you turned out to be wrong, and rehabilitation was possible, would you agree with the individual being detained after he has paid his debt until the rehabilitation is complete? It's not that I believe rehabilitation to be impossible, however one defines "rehabilitation." It's that "rehabilitation" is irrelevant. The purpose of incarceration isn't "rehabilitation." It's punishment. Nothing more. Then an upshot of your view is that once the sentence is completed you have to let the pedo go even if you know he will immediately reoffend.
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Post by nate on Mar 30, 2016 15:00:21 GMT -6
its such a hot button subject for some and amusement for others and terribly painful for still others. I can be objective because its quite distant in my life -its only something Ive heard and read about. But even with all the witch hunting,I am aware there are evil people in the world who care nothing for the pain they cause others children or otherwise.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 31, 2016 17:17:07 GMT -6
Then an upshot of your view is that once the sentence is completed you have to let the pedo go even if you know he will immediately reoffend. Yup, just like any other criminal who has paid his debt to society.
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Post by bernard on Apr 1, 2016 20:26:27 GMT -6
Then an upshot of your view is that once the sentence is completed you have to let the pedo go even if you know he will immediately reoffend. Yup, just like any other criminal who has paid his debt to society. If you would release him knowing he is going to reoffend, you might as well give him a lift to the kindergarten.
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 4, 2016 11:48:06 GMT -6
If you would release him knowing he is going to reoffend, you might as well give him a lift to the kindergarten. In the United States, it isn't constitutional to punish someone for a crime before it's been committed. Whether or not someone reoffends is not the concern of criminal law, either. The justice system is not in place to make bad people into good people.
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Post by bernard on Apr 4, 2016 17:09:59 GMT -6
If you would release him knowing he is going to reoffend, you might as well give him a lift to the kindergarten. In the United States, it isn't constitutional to punish someone for a crime before it's been committed. But it is constitutional to indefinitely section people who have a dangerous sickness. In your state of California, for example, they pretty much section pedophiles permanently. Of course it is. The notion of "reoffending" has no meaning outside of criminal law. Yet everyone around here claims that job of the death penalty is to ensure the murderer never kills again. A kind of ultimate rehabilitation. "Me thinks that is rehabilitation at it's finest, forever lasting." - whitediamonds
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 5, 2016 13:46:41 GMT -6
But it is constitutional to indefinitely section people who have a dangerous sickness. In your state of California, for example, they pretty much section pedophiles permanently. Which is a joke in California. There are so many sexual registrants, the police no longer track any of them. Of course it is. The notion of "reoffending" has no meaning outside of criminal law. My point is that criminal law doesn't exist to prevent crime. Yet everyone around here claims that job of the death penalty is to ensure the murderer never kills again. A kind of ultimate rehabilitation. An insincere claim, and one I do not share.
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Post by bernard on Apr 6, 2016 14:41:31 GMT -6
Of course it is. The notion of "reoffending" has no meaning outside of criminal law. My point is that criminal law doesn't exist to prevent crime. That's an interesting claim. Can you prove it?
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 6, 2016 17:18:10 GMT -6
That's an interesting claim. Can you prove it? Crimes are defined as acts of volition. Only free will determines whether or not someone will commit a crime. The law can only punish someone for acting illegally. It can't prevent crime, nor should it.
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Post by bernard on Apr 6, 2016 19:12:25 GMT -6
That's an interesting claim. Can you prove it? Crimes are defined as acts of volition. Only free will determines whether or not someone will commit a crime. The law can only punish someone for acting illegally. It can't prevent crime, nor should it. That seems to imply that a cop ought not to prevent a crime in progress, but instead let it finish and then arrest the offender.
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 7, 2016 13:34:52 GMT -6
That seems to imply that a cop ought not to prevent a crime in progress, but instead let it finish and then arrest the offender. That is exactly what they do. They prevent what they can, but that is not their primary function.
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Post by bernard on Apr 7, 2016 22:15:45 GMT -6
That seems to imply that a cop ought not to prevent a crime in progress, but instead let it finish and then arrest the offender. That is exactly what they do. No it isn't. That's more like it. Then you concede it is a secondary function, no?
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 8, 2016 14:16:52 GMT -6
Then you concede it is a secondary function, no? Not even secondary. Where I live, they're wholly ineffective.
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Post by bernard on Apr 9, 2016 14:30:50 GMT -6
Then you concede it is a secondary function, no? Not even secondary. Where I live, they're wholly ineffective. "They prevent what they can" you said. Whether they're effective or not, that shows that they take it to be part of their duties.
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Post by Donnie on Apr 22, 2016 4:53:10 GMT -6
That seems to imply that a cop ought not to prevent a crime in progress, but instead let it finish and then arrest the offender. What is a crime in progress if it is not a crime?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 25, 2016 21:54:51 GMT -6
That seems to imply that a cop ought not to prevent a crime in progress, but instead let it finish and then arrest the offender. What is a crime in progress if it is not a crime? It may not be a crime until they arrive & confirm it actually is a crime in progress when they get shot at?
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Post by bernard on Apr 26, 2016 11:15:10 GMT -6
That seems to imply that a cop ought not to prevent a crime in progress, but instead let it finish and then arrest the offender. What is a crime in progress if it is not a crime? Imagine a situation which is going south fast, where somebody is going to get killed. But no law has been broken yet.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 29, 2016 22:01:57 GMT -6
Imagine a situation which is going south fast, [/quote] No need to imagine, here ya are again.
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Post by Donnie on May 27, 2016 9:05:17 GMT -6
What is a crime in progress if it is not a crime? Imagine a situation which is going south fast, where somebody is going to get killed. But no law has been broken yet. Such a situation would not be a crime in progress because, as you say, no law has been broken
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