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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Feb 2, 2014 4:38:43 GMT -6
Since the EU seems DETERMINED to destroy lethal injection, nitrogen asphyxiation seems to be the only way that the US might be able to continue going on with executions. Even someone from the UK (Michael Portillo) said that nitrogen asphyxiation was a humane method of death. With that being said, would it be possible to convert a gas chamber so that instead of releasing cyanide, it releases nitrogen?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 20:52:33 GMT -6
Since the EU seems DETERMINED to destroy lethal injection, nitrogen asphyxiation seems to be the only way that the US might be able to continue going on with executions. Even someone from the UK (Michael Portillo) said that nitrogen asphyxiation was a humane method of death. With that being said, would it be possible to convert a gas chamber so that instead of releasing cyanide, it releases nitrogen? You should see my other post, this method is my 'idea for the future of capital punishment' thread, well it was until it became a pro vs anti *crap*-show. Anyways, the conversion of a standard gas chamber to release nitrogen instead of cyanide would be I think rather simple. In converting leaky old relic gas chambers (which would cost in the order 100's of thousands of dollars to fix them to use cyanide gas again), the leaks could be simply plugged as well as the mechanical inlets that were used for plumbing the sulfuric acid/water mixture into the gas generator. Then after that, a hole for the primary gas inlet line is cut into the chamber, and from there the gas would be diverted to the likely numerous gas manifolds and outlets. Since the tolerance of the human body to nitrogen is very high (we do breathe about 80% of it), a small leak(s) would be tolerable, especially if the areas outside of the chamber are well ventilated (most if not all already are as a first line of defense against cyanide leaks). An alternative to use this method would be to use a variation of a 'suicide bag'. It would be like an oxygen mask used in a hospital, except it feeds in pure nitrogen. That method would be just as effective, and a whole lot cheaper for states that never had gas chamber hardware. BTW, I have in fact seen that BBC documentary and it was very good. I can't find it on youtube, would you happen to know a link? I think it would be good to post on this forum.
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 3, 2014 12:16:34 GMT -6
Well we tried to steer it back to your topic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 13:00:53 GMT -6
Well we tried to steer it back to your topic. And it was indeed a noble effort But one has to admit when something is too far gone to salvage. I suggest the on topic part of the conversation get carried over to this thread.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Feb 3, 2014 23:36:02 GMT -6
I never thought about the oxygen mask being used for nitrogen and it probably would be ten times easier. You could use the old electric chairs to strap the person down and instead of the electrodes, a gas mask with a gas tank would be connected. How fast does it take for one to die? I know that you lose consciousness rather quickly, but how long until brain death and then the stoppage of the heart. Obviously they would attach an EKG to monitor heart rate.
Though to be honest, I'm hoping that we will still be able to carry on with LI and give a big FU to the morons that make up the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 1:25:43 GMT -6
I never thought about the oxygen mask being used for nitrogen and it probably would be ten times easier. You could use the old electric chairs to strap the person down and instead of the electrodes, a gas mask with a gas tank would be connected. How fast does it take for one to die? I know that you lose consciousness rather quickly, but how long until brain death and then the stoppage of the heart. Obviously they would attach an EKG to monitor heart rate. Though to be honest, I'm hoping that we will still be able to carry on with LI and give a big FU to the morons that make up the EU. Apparently from what I've read from a Government safety hazard manual, it can take as little as one to two full breaths of oxygen deprived nitrogen for a person to lose consciousness, comatose in 40 seconds, then cardiac arrest and death very shortly afterward. In some cases I think it would be possible for the condemned to die in just under a minute, which really no other method is as quick except shooting executions. Me personally, I've never liked lethal injection and I'll be glad to see it go. I think the best way to get back at the EU is to for a short while revert back the electric chair and see what they have to say when some scumbag's head catches on fire, or god forbid..... he gets a bloody nose. Anyways, here's some information on accidental workplace nitrogen asphyxiation: www.csb.gov/videos/hazards-of-nitrogen-asphyxiation/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 1:34:59 GMT -6
Here is a link to a written article on how Michael Portillo almost died during the filming of 'The Science of Killing' during the part where he was breathing in nitrogen (or was it oxygen deprived air, I don't remember): www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506383/How-Michael-Portillo-left-seconds-death-investigated-science-killing.htmlLong story short, he didn't even realize that he was seconds away from dying, and I think he actually got a little bit of a buzz of it if I'm not mistaken. I found the video on youtube, but the link was having problems so I will spare you all the frustration
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Feb 9, 2014 4:20:49 GMT -6
Nitrogen Asphyxiation may not happen anyway because most of the states are too afraid to try to change a method. Texas might try to try it if LI really is blocked by the idiots in the EU, but most other states, I'm terrified would abolish it.
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Post by Woody on Feb 9, 2014 9:44:56 GMT -6
Nitrogen Asphyxiation may not happen anyway because most of the states are too afraid to try to change a method. Texas might try to try it if LI really is blocked by the idiots in the EU, but most other states, I'm terrified would abolish it. What a walk on eggshells. Even in the violent US society fewer and fewer people really want the deathpenalty. Face it.
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Post by Californian on Feb 9, 2014 16:22:34 GMT -6
Even in the violent US society fewer and fewer people really want the deathpenalty. Face it. Spawn of Nazis sez whuuuut?
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Post by Stormyweather on Feb 9, 2014 21:36:15 GMT -6
Nitrogen Asphyxiation may not happen anyway because most of the states are too afraid to try to change a method. Texas might try to try it if LI really is blocked by the idiots in the EU, but most other states, I'm terrified would abolish it. What a walk on eggshells. Even in the violent US society fewer and fewer people really want the deathpenalty. Face it. Violent US society? Actually violent crimes are down. If you don't believe me go look it up.
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Post by charon on Feb 9, 2014 22:21:46 GMT -6
What a walk on eggshells. Even in the violent US society fewer and fewer people really want the deathpenalty. Face it. Violent US society? Actually violent crimes is down. If you don't believe me go look it up. Ha! Yeah really. He should come over for few days if he wants to see what violence looks like.
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