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Post by spinaltap on Oct 3, 2013 5:38:30 GMT -6
So I saw this story in the NY Daily News. I am going to research this to find out the combo they use. Wasn't sure where to post this, please love it if you need to. Link: www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/belgian-transsexual-dies-euthanasia-botched-sex-change-article-1.1473875Belgian transsexual dies by euthanasia after unsatisfactory sex change operation Nathan Verhelst, 44, born Nancy, chose a medically assisted death after his sex change operation left him feeling like a 'monster.' Euthanasia is legal in Belgium, but a subject of controversy as more people are choosing it. Nathan Verhelst, born Nancy, was given legal euthanasia in Belgium, citing 'unbearable psychological suffering.' Related Stories A Belgian transsexual who was “disgusted” with his sex change operation has died by euthanasia, according to reports. Nathan Verhelst, 44, who was born a woman named Nancy, chose to end his life with the assistance of a doctor, citing "unbearable psychological suffering." He died Monday afternoon. Euthanasia is legal in Belgium, and the doctor who carried out Verhelst's euthanasia procedure, Wim Distelmans, also made headlines last December for euthanizing a pair of deaf twins who were going blind. Verhelst suffered years of emotional pain before and after his sex change operation, including a tormented childhood, he told Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws. "I was the girl that nobody wanted," he said. "While my brothers were celebrated, I got a storage room above the garage as a bedroom. 'If only you had been a boy', my mother complained. I was tolerated, nothing more." Verhelst's heartless mother agreed with his comments. "When I saw 'Nancy' for the first time, my dream was shattered. She was so ugly. I had a phantom birth. Her death does not bother me," the unnamed mother told Het Laatste Nieuws following Verhelst's demise. Verhelst began the woman-to-man sex change procedure with hormone therapy in 2009, and had a mastectomy and *deleted* construction surgery in 2012, but "none of these operations worked as desired," he said. "I was ready to celebrate my new birth," he continued. "But when I looked in the mirror, I was disgusted with myself. My new breasts did not match my expectations and my new *deleted* had symptoms of rejection. I do not want to be ... a monster." Physician-assisted suicide has been a controversial topic in Belgium since it was legalized in 2003. The country saw 1,432 euthanasia deaths in 2012, up 25% from 2011, according to The Telegraph. In neighboring country the Netherlands, where the practice is also legal, recent statistics show the number of people killed by euthanasia has more than doubled in the past 10 years with 4,188 reported deaths in 2012. Most of those who request assisted suicide in Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg - the only three European countries to allow it - are cancer patients, the same study showed. Nervous system disorders, heart disease and dementia are the next most prevalent conditions. As assisted suicide becomes more socially accepted in these countries, concerns persist that some euthanasia deaths go unreported, while other cases present challenges in determining informed consent in patients with dementia or psychiatric problems. Dr. Distelmans said Verhelst's request met the legal grounds of "unbearable psychological suffering." "The choice of Nathan Verhelst has nothing to do with fatigue of life," Distelmans said, according to The Telegraph. "There are other factors that meant he was in a situation with incurable, unbearable suffering. Unbearable suffering for euthanasia can be both physical and psychological. This was a case that clearly met the conditions demanded by the law. Nathan underwent counseling for six months."
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 3, 2013 9:24:37 GMT -6
Asssited suicide has become more exceptable? For physical & Psychological reasons. What method do they use to kill people off? Guess, it is ok if they agree to be killed. Seems to be many reasons for killing folks off nowdays, drive thru abortions for being an inconvenient problem only, majority of them? If an inmate commits suicide in prison here the prison is at fault, if an inmate kills another inmate the prison is at fault. If the murderer here is executed it is victims & family's fault for looking for revenge nothing to do with physical or psychological. They need to get help, forgiveness and move on. The murderer is the victim" now if we execute him. Or even give real LWOP. All cruel & unusual under the "word" punishment. Anti DP for murderers though? over there ....... To add: I do not think the U.S is any more screwed up then the rest of the world.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 3, 2013 14:38:41 GMT -6
One less whining, Belgian narcissist to worry about.
NEXT!
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 3, 2013 14:52:58 GMT -6
One less whining, Belgian narcissist to worry about. NEXT! Good point !!!
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Oct 4, 2013 7:04:49 GMT -6
One less whining, Belgian narcissist to worry about. NEXT! Good point !!! Both of you have no clue what impact the psychological distress had on this person, yet you don't only judge him for his actions, you even take pleasure in his death. What the hell is wrong with you? This wasn't some half-assed suicide attempt by a drama queen who was upset that she didn't get enough attention. The guy was fully aware that he'd not be rescued in the last moment. He was so miserable that he just wanted to die. You might say that you wouldn't end your life in a comparable situation (although I'd be careful with those predictions) but you cannot fully understand the individual impact on him and thus don't know what it's like to be him. If you cannot feel any empathy for this guy why not at least STFU!?
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Post by spinaltap on Oct 4, 2013 7:39:17 GMT -6
A little looking, and there is lots out there about this, but no mention of what is used. Seems to be up to the Dr to choose the Drug, and some were much more successful than others. They often mention Opiates. I agree with Euthanasia for Terminally ill patients with no chance of recovering, but disagree with assisted suicide, ie. I don't like how my sex change turned out.
Belgium Euthanasia Law in Effect
September 2002
Starting on Monday, Belgian law allows doctors to help kill patients who, during a terminal illness, express a wish to hasten their own death. Having passed the law in May, Belgium is now the third jurisdiction after the Netherlands (April 1, 2002) and the state of Oregon (1997) to legalize euthanasia.
Abstract PURPOSE:
Our aim was to describe and assess the medicinal products and doses used for euthanasia in a series of cases, identified within an epidemiological death certificate study in Belgium, where euthanasia was until recently legally forbidden and where guidelines for euthanasia are not available. METHODS:
In a random sample of the deaths in 1998 in Belgium, the physicians who signed the death certificates were identified and sent an anonymous mail questionnaire. The questionnaires of the deaths classified as euthanasia cases were reviewed by a multi-disciplinary panel. RESULTS:
A total of 22 among 1925 questionnaires pertained to voluntary euthanasia. In 17 cases, detailed information on the euthanatics (medicinal substances used for euthanasia) used was provided. Opioids were used in 13 cases (in 7 as a single drug). Time between last dose and expiry ranged from 4 to 900 min. The panel judged that only in 4 cases effective euthanatics were used. CONCLUSIONS:
In the end-of-life decision cases perceived by Belgian physicians as euthanasia, pharmacological practices were disparate, although dominated by the use of morphine, in the very late phase of dying, in doses which were unlikely to be lethal. Most physicians clandestinely engaging in euthanasia in Belgium seemed unaware of procedures for guaranteeing a quick, mild and certain death. Information on the pharmacological aspects of euthanasia should be included in the medical curriculum and continuing medical education, at least in countries with a legal framework permitting euthanasia under specified condition
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 4, 2013 7:56:55 GMT -6
Good point !!! Both of you have no clue what impact the psychological distress had on this person, yet you don't only judge him for his actions, you even take pleasure in his death. What the hell is wrong with you? This wasn't some half-assed suicide attempt by a drama queen who was upset that she didn't get enough attention. The guy was fully aware that he'd not be rescued in the last moment. He was so miserable that he just wanted to die. You might say that you wouldn't end your life in a comparable situation (although I'd be careful with those predictions) but you cannot fully understand the individual impact on him and thus don't know what it's like to be him. If you cannot feel any empathy for this guy why not at least STFU!? I agree with euthanasia for the terminally ill , I disagree with assisted suicide. I do have empahty for her. If they can take it so lightly to aid in killing her off then guess we can tongue in cheek show disgust over so easy to take a life for them is not really compassion at all in my book. With that mentality guess anyone who wants to be assisted to die, those badly disfigured by fire, Or like a women here had her face tore off by a wild animal left with no eyes( blind) or nose completely disfigured we should assist * kill her off . No today with love & support she is glad to be alive. No I disagree Honey with ya on this one.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 4, 2013 8:01:02 GMT -6
Both of you have no clue what impact the psychological distress had on this person, yet you don't only judge him for his actions, you even take pleasure in his death. What the hell is wrong with you? This wasn't some half-assed suicide attempt by a drama queen who was upset that she didn't get enough attention. The guy was fully aware that he'd not be rescued in the last moment. He was so miserable that he just wanted to die. You might say that you wouldn't end your life in a comparable situation (although I'd be careful with those predictions) but you cannot fully understand the individual impact on him and thus don't know what it's like to be him. If you cannot feel any empathy for this guy why not at least STFU!? I empathize with the transgendered who perservere. They are the ones that have my respect. I have nothing but contempt for people who commit suicide, and for those countries, like Belgium, that encourage it.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 4, 2013 9:02:15 GMT -6
Good point !!! Both of you have no clue what impact the psychological distress had on this person, yet you don't only judge him for his actions, you even take pleasure in his death. What the hell is wrong with you? This wasn't some half-assed suicide attempt by a drama queen who was upset that she didn't get enough attention. The guy was fully aware that he'd not be rescued in the last moment. He was so miserable that he just wanted to die. You might say that you wouldn't end your life in a comparable situation (although I'd be careful with those predictions) but you cannot fully understand the individual impact on him and thus don't know what it's like to be him. If you cannot feel any empathy for this guy why not at least STFU!? By the way, I would rather be a bit cheeky, then to assist anyone who is " miserable" to go so far as to aid killing them off with my so called blessings and empathy. That is what the hell is wrong with me.I'm odd like that. .
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 4, 2013 10:42:59 GMT -6
So I saw this story in the NY Daily News. I am going to research this to find out the combo they use. Wasn't sure where to post this, please love it if you need to. Link: www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/belgian-transsexual-dies-euthanasia-botched-sex-change-article-1.1473875Belgian transsexual dies by euthanasia after unsatisfactory sex change operation Nathan Verhelst, 44, born Nancy, chose a medically assisted death after his sex change operation left him feeling like a 'monster.' 2009, and had a mastectomy and *deleted* construction surgery in 2012, but "none of these operations worked as desired," Physician-assisted suicide has been a controversial topic in Belgium.003. The country saw 1,432 euthanasia deaths in 2012, up 25% from 2011, according to The Telegraph. number of people killed by euthanasia has more than doubled in the past 10 years with 4,188 reported deaths in 2012. Then to top of a botched surgery " by physicians" then " physicians" assisted her to kill herself. When it comes to the anti DP crowd argument, remember doctors cannot take lives only save lives. Agument doctors should not train anyone how to take life either. All life is precious & savable.. Well, great they agree for physicians to assist to kill them now. Even though not a terminal illness, just emotionally miserable. makes it ok. Hypocrites.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 5:44:43 GMT -6
Good point !!! Both of you have no clue what impact the psychological distress had on this person, yet you don't only judge him for his actions, you even take pleasure in his death. What the hell is wrong with you? This wasn't some half-assed suicide attempt by a drama queen who was upset that she didn't get enough attention. The guy was fully aware that he'd not be rescued in the last moment. He was so miserable that he just wanted to die. You might say that you wouldn't end your life in a comparable situation (although I'd be careful with those predictions) but you cannot fully understand the individual impact on him and thus don't know what it's like to be him. If you cannot feel any empathy for this guy why not at least STFU!? I would suspect this unfortunate man had many more problems then his botched sex change operation. Sadly, the sex-change surgery issues could have been repaired, given enough time. I think his bigger problem was his mother who seemed to be nothing more than a heartless *bi+ch*
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2013 9:03:11 GMT -6
Good point !!! yet you don't only judge him for his actions, you even take pleasure in his death. But... We would not assist to kill him !! Seems your anger & disgust should be directed at others involved, & see how assisted suicide is too loosely used. Certainly there were other options, medically and mentally, with time.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Oct 5, 2013 14:47:14 GMT -6
I think silence is the best reply HP
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Post by rayozz on Oct 6, 2013 4:42:51 GMT -6
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2013 17:40:52 GMT -6
I think silence is the best reply HP Oh, STFU
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Post by charon on Oct 6, 2013 22:15:45 GMT -6
I think silence is the best reply HP Oh, STFU Hell no. This idiot could not face life, nor the hand she was dealt. Not only too much of coward to live, but also too cowardice to go hang herself like any other self-respecting suicidal person. No, had to involve someone else. I have seen people fighting like hellcats to live. That is the first natural thing to do. Then again, once you mess with nature, nothing remains natural no more, does it? Good riddance. I'm with Joe, on this one. NEXT!!!
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 7, 2013 17:53:55 GMT -6
Oh, STFU Hell no. This idiot could not face life, nor the hand she was dealt. Not only too much of coward to live, but also too cowardice to go hang herself like any other self-respecting suicidal person. No, had to involve someone else. I have seen people fighting like hellcats to live. That is the first natural thing to do. Then again, once you mess with nature, nothing remains natural no more, does it? Good riddance. I'm with Joe, on this one. NEXT!!! And you should be able to state that w/o being questioned/accused "What is " wrong " with you" or told if nothing nice to say, just STFU...
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Post by charon on Oct 7, 2013 23:34:25 GMT -6
Hell no. This idiot could not face life, nor the hand she was dealt. Not only too much of coward to live, but also too cowardice to go hang herself like any other self-respecting suicidal person. No, had to involve someone else. I have seen people fighting like hellcats to live. That is the first natural thing to do. Then again, once you mess with nature, nothing remains natural no more, does it? Good riddance. I'm with Joe, on this one. NEXT!!! And you should be able to state that w/o being questioned/accused "What is " wrong " with you" or told if nothing nice to say, just STFU... Nope. Sentenced herself to death and got executed. Works for me like any other self/destructive scumbag. NEXT, I say!
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 8, 2013 7:17:30 GMT -6
And you should be able to state that w/o being questioned/accused "What is " wrong " with you" or told if nothing nice to say, just STFU... Nope. Sentenced herself to death and got executed. Works for me like any other self/destructive scumbag. NEXT, I say! I have no problem with how you feel or Joe's comment. When I posted "Good piont" to Joe's post, we were both told off. We were told "what is wrong with you?" ( meaning Joe and I),then told to STFU if nothing " nice " to say, or stay silent regarding the matter. Why can they use a cocktail to kill off ( assist) nicer" wording) of a miserable person, when others stop the drugs to us for executions, saying they will not assist in executions of murderers?
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Post by charon on Oct 9, 2013 4:49:33 GMT -6
Nope. Sentenced herself to death and got executed. Works for me like any other self/destructive scumbag. NEXT, I say! I have no problem with how you feel or Joe's comment. When I posted "Good piont" to Joe's post, we were both told off. We were told "what is wrong with you?" ( meaning Joe and I),then told to STFU if nothing " nice " to say, or stay silent regarding the matter. Why can they use a cocktail to kill off ( assist) nicer" wording) of a miserable person, when others stop the drugs to us for executions, saying they will not assist in executions of murderers? I'm with you. Yes, that's the irony of this. Totally warped.
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Post by Tracy on Oct 11, 2013 20:36:46 GMT -6
I think some people that commit suicide truly feel that life just isn't worth living, who are we to tell them otherwise, we have no idea what they've gone through. I find this story extremely sad. This person's mom was a c*nt, can you imagine your Mother treating you that way your whole life??!!
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Post by Californian on Oct 12, 2013 19:49:39 GMT -6
I think some people that commit suicide truly feel that life just isn't worth living, who are we to tell them otherwise, we have no idea what they've gone through. More to the point, if your very life doesn't belong to you, what does?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 12, 2013 23:25:32 GMT -6
Your life does not belong to you if the Government/physicians assist your suicide. Your life now belongs to the Government/physicians to assist your suicide/mercy killing.
The difference between talking to a priest & talking to a physician about suicide is the priest is not empowered by the (STATE) to assist with killing people.
If you commit suicide with your own hands/ method, only then does your life belong to you.
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Post by Californian on Oct 13, 2013 10:12:48 GMT -6
Your life does not belong to you if the Government/physicians assist your suicide. Your life now belongs to the Government/physicians to assist your suicide/mercy killing. Incorrect. The operative word in your post is "assist." You made the decision to end your life, AND chose the method. There's nothing coercive there-it's a matter of choice.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 13, 2013 11:25:00 GMT -6
Your life does not belong to you if the Government/physicians assist your suicide. Your life now belongs to the Government/physicians to assist your suicide/mercy killing. Incorrect. The operative word in your post is "assist." You made the decision to end your life, AND chose the method. There's nothing coercive there-it's a matter of choice. The people want the "state" thru the agency of authorized physicians to be able to stop people from killing themselves. Individuals by themselves" do not have any right to kill themselves. If the * Gov considers" life is now too painful /miserable for you ,your life/choice does not belong to you for assisted suicide. If you make the choice to end your life, you should not have the state assist you to begin with, nor in MHO should a state get involved in assisted suicide.
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Post by Californian on Oct 13, 2013 22:06:47 GMT -6
Individuals by themselves" do not have any right to kill themselves. Kindly cite any such law or regulation to buttress your claim. Please explain further. I find this response muddled and illogical. This is philosophy, not law.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 14, 2013 10:31:42 GMT -6
Individuals by themselves" do not have any right to kill themselves. Kindly cite any such law or regulation to buttress your claim. Please explain further. I find this response muddled and illogical. This is philosophy, not law. The commet you find muddled and illogical, if you want or request assisted suicide, they can turn the assistence for you down so your not really in control they are. If one attempts to commit suicide and fails your placed in a mental ward. Then they have control of you yet again.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 14, 2013 12:34:30 GMT -6
Kindly cite any such law or regulation to buttress your claim. Please explain further. I find this response muddled and illogical. This is philosophy, not law. The commet you find muddled and illogical, if you want or request assisted suicide, they can turn the assistence for you down so your not really in control they are. If one attempts to commit suicide and fails your placed in a mental ward. Then they have control of you yet again. This topic brings me back to the gun debate, the availability of firearms makes for a high rate of suicides due to the availability of guns.. Used by the anti guns debaters Disarm the public take away their rights to own guns. This is mostly used by those in other countries o/s the U.S Put yourself in the good hands of the Government we will assist your suicide instead, even though your not terminally ill..
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Oct 15, 2013 7:38:59 GMT -6
If she was terminally ill, then I would have been for it. I don't think that people that aren't terminally ill should end their lives. There is always hope, and I have no doubt that with time, the surgery could have been fixed.
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Post by Kat on Oct 20, 2013 22:49:49 GMT -6
If people want out, I think they should be allowed to end their lives with assistance. Within a dozen years euthanasia will be commonplace. IT has been said that the anguish and hopelessness of mental pain can be worse than any physical pain for some. People should be allowed to be in control of their existance. This I firmly believe just as I believe that any inmate who is given life without parole or even the death penalty should have the right to ask for euthanasia if that is his or her wish, saving money while ridding us of undesirable useless waste.
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