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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Feb 11, 2013 12:40:00 GMT -6
It will be 20 years tomorrow since James Bulger was murdered in Britain by two 11 year old boys. Shockingly on the radio today there have been many callers ringing up to say they would have seen killers Thompson and Venables hanged for the crime. Quite an eye (ear?) opener I can tell you. I wonder if anyone here agrees with hanging children? Ive been here long enough now to know regulars wouldn't be keen but any newbies/visitors care to post? Im SOOO tempted to say I would be for it just to wind up certain Weenies on here lol
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Post by Californian on Feb 11, 2013 13:03:04 GMT -6
It will be 20 years tomorrow since James Bulger was murdered in Britain by two 11 year old boys. Shockingly on the radio today there have been many callers ringing up to say they would have seen killers Thompson and Venables hanged for the crime. Quite an eye (ear?) opener I can tell you. I wonder if anyone here agrees with hanging children? Ive been here long enough now to know regulars wouldn't be keen but any newbies/visitors care to post? Im SOOO tempted to say I would be for it just to wind up certain Weenies on here lol As appealing as it is (I don't much like children) I think the 18 and older deal is the way to go. I would allow certain exceptions for those with a cell phone welded to their ear or texting in public.
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Post by sanquentin on Feb 11, 2013 20:51:42 GMT -6
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Post by sanquentin on Feb 11, 2013 20:51:59 GMT -6
I'm a fan of keeping to executing adults. That said, how did we as a society arrive at 18 to designate adulthood? Why not 17 or 19?
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 11, 2013 22:34:11 GMT -6
Well, think back to when we ourselves were kids, when did we know it was wrong to beat/torture/ murder a 2 yr old? Majority would answer at what approximate age???
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Post by Eminey1 on Feb 12, 2013 3:48:18 GMT -6
I would never been an advocate for these two to hang as they were so young. But, didn't one get caught wi child porn pretty soon after his release?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 11:11:03 GMT -6
Hello Everyone. I'm new here. I used to want to abolish the DP. Now I'm not so sure. I'm not sure about the DP for kids. But these boys knew exactly what they were doing. The real problem is who would they get to carry out the DP on children. I am very upset they let these little murderers go free. These kids will kill again.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Feb 12, 2013 11:30:02 GMT -6
Used to be Anti? Welcome to the dark side From what I heard on the radio, there would be a few volunteers willing to execute these two lads. Shocked even me. I knew there was a lot of folks want the DP back in Britain but listening to callers on the radio it seems that includes children too I'll be honest Id be uneasy hanging 11 year olds but have no problem with say 16 Hell you can have sex here at 16 so *shrug*
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 12, 2013 11:51:18 GMT -6
At this age I believe it is a no brainer, no DP.
I am upset they let these little murders go also. At 10 yrs old "come on' kids cannot handle seeing even a pet run over by a car...There are many cases where even a 5 yr old calls for help or run's for help for another hurt.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Feb 12, 2013 14:45:35 GMT -6
At this age I believe it is a no brainer, no DP. I am upset they let these little murders go also. At 10 yrs old "come on' kids cannot handle seeing even a pet run over by a car...There are many cases where even a 5 yr old calls for help or run's for help for another hurt. Kids know right from wrong. I agree. When I was ten I was stomping on newts and frogs, with glee. I knew I was killing for no reason and I knew it was wrong and senseless. These kids knew what they were doing too. Id give them a real life sentence like Denise (James' mother wanted.)
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Post by Eminey1 on Feb 12, 2013 18:38:59 GMT -6
I just don't know about this one, I can remember my mum going crazy at me and my brother when she caught us 'operating' on worms, the table being a skateboard and the scalpel being a drawing pin. I would be about seven and my brother five. I agree with tipsy, I somewhere knew it was wrong. We really try to Instil to our little boy who is four that every one and everything has feelings of its own. I cannot believe that at ten years old these kids did not know that what they were doing was wrong, like I said I would have never thought the death penalty would have been right in this situation but a very very long stretch would.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 9:39:06 GMT -6
Used to be Anti? Welcome to the dark side From what I heard on the radio, there would be a few volunteers willing to execute these two lads. Shocked even me. I knew there was a lot of folks want the DP back in Britain but listening to callers on the radio it seems that includes children too I'll be honest Id be uneasy hanging 11 year olds but have no problem with say 16 Hell you can have sex here at 16 so *shrug* I've come to believe that there are people born with something missing in their brain. They have no compassion or empathy. These people are sociopaths/psychopaths. Power and sex are where they get their kicks. There is no rehabilitation. No amount of drugs or therapy can make them care about other people. Why keep psychopaths alive?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 9:52:05 GMT -6
At this age I believe it is a no brainer, no DP. I am upset they let these little murders go also. At 10 yrs old "come on' kids cannot handle seeing even a pet run over by a car...There are many cases where even a 5 yr old calls for help or run's for help for another hurt. What is a "come on' kid"?
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Post by Michael on Feb 13, 2013 10:05:12 GMT -6
Used to be Anti? Welcome to the dark side From what I heard on the radio, there would be a few volunteers willing to execute these two lads. Shocked even me. I knew there was a lot of folks want the DP back in Britain but listening to callers on the radio it seems that includes children too I'll be honest Id be uneasy hanging 11 year olds but have no problem with say 16 Hell you can have sex here at 16 so *shrug* I've come to believe that there are people born with something missing in their brain. They have no compassion or empathy. These people are sociopaths/psychopaths. Power and sex are where they get their kicks. There is no rehabilitation. No amount of drugs or therapy can make them care about other people. Why keep psychopaths alive? While I agree with your finding about some people clinically lacking empathy and compassion, I would question your assumption that these people have to be killed. Isn´t this rather some form of mental illness? Probably one for which there is no cure. But we normally don´t kill terminally ill patients - unless they request it.
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 13, 2013 10:19:33 GMT -6
At this age I believe it is a no brainer, no DP. I am upset they let these little murders go also. At 10 yrs old "come on' kids cannot handle seeing even a pet run over by a car...There are many cases where even a 5 yr old calls for help or run's for help for another hurt. What is a "come on' kid"? It is not " come on kids" it is >> "Come on" . Like" lets get real.
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Post by Joey on Feb 13, 2013 14:48:45 GMT -6
Remember the fruit loop on here who thought the mother should have been charged for not putting her son on straps... was in Imzadi or something .
No they shouldn't have been executed.
Yes they should have had a longer sentence. The sentence they got however was inline with what many adults get for murder -albeit not a murder like this one.
What makes me sad about this case however was that one of these children had suffered horrific cruelty himself. These are real mitigating circumstances in my opinion, not like the abuse dreamed up years later my death row inmates.
10 is still very young for some children.
An awful case, In Britain we are lucky enough not to have the harrowing cases you have in the states where children take guns to school and murder each other - this is the closest we have in many ways and it still shocks me even now
Eminey !!! Amazing to see you again - you moved me to post myself, I hope you are well
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Post by Kay on Feb 13, 2013 21:10:27 GMT -6
I hope that won't be your last post Joey, you're missed around here, and yes it's nice to have Em. back
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 1:37:55 GMT -6
I think capital punishment should be available for those age 16 and above. Though I think capital punishment should be limited for offenders aged between 16-20 for those who have shown a serious pattern of violence in their lives (either demonstrated through a prior criminal record or documented accounts) or sexually based or torture based murder. I would hold those over 21 to a higher standard. That is, they should be able to control their anger and rage against people.
I think Thompson and Venables should have served a much longer prison sentence. I read an interview in Australian media of a man who was Thompson's parole officer for a while and his opinion is that Thompson is unlikely to re offend, but he wasn't a nice guy or reformed, but had enough control to not do it again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 10:43:05 GMT -6
I've come to believe that there are people born with something missing in their brain. They have no compassion or empathy. These people are sociopaths/psychopaths. Power and sex are where they get their kicks. There is no rehabilitation. No amount of drugs or therapy can make them care about other people. Why keep psychopaths alive? While I agree with your finding about some people clinically lacking empathy and compassion, I would question your assumption that these people have to be killed. Isn´t this rather some form of mental illness? Probably one for which there is no cure. But we normally don´t kill terminally ill patients - unless they request it. Can't the same be said about all people who kill on purpose? They too are not right in the head or they wouldn't kill. IDK. It's pretty messed up to be able to kill.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 0:16:56 GMT -6
I dont know about executing those 18 and under, but the fact of the matter is they commited a horrible crime and dont deserve to live the lives they took away from their victims. It isnt fair for them to move on with their lives as if it never happened. Their victim doesent get to live their lives and have a future why should they?
I would be all for sticking a needle in a 16 year old murderer if they planned out and commited their crime the same way an adult did and knew what they were doing. If you ask me someone that age who can plan out and commit such a crime is no child. They are no longe a human. They are a monster just like an adult who commits such a crime.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 17, 2013 13:56:16 GMT -6
I would never been an advocate for these two to hang as they were so young. But, didn't one get caught wi child porn pretty soon after his release? pray tell. exactly how is jamie bulger less dead just because his murderers were eleven instead of 21? what the hell difference does how old the murderer is make? the ONLY thing that is relevant is whether or not they know murder is wrong. thompson and venables, as do virtually all 11 year olds, knew that murder is wrong. obviously, they deserved to be hanged. yeah. he got busted to the child porn, and a couple other little goodies
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 17, 2013 13:59:04 GMT -6
Used to be Anti? Welcome to the dark side From what I heard on the radio, there would be a few volunteers willing to execute these two lads. Shocked even me. I knew there was a lot of folks want the DP back in Britain but listening to callers on the radio it seems that includes children too I'll be honest Id be uneasy hanging 11 year olds but have no problem with say 16 Hell you can have sex here at 16 so *shrug* why would it shock you. thompson and venables were, and are, garbage. as i said, age has NO relevance. a murderer is a murderer. i would have no problem hanging a ten year old murderer. just have to be careful to not give them too long of a drop
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 17, 2013 14:00:59 GMT -6
At this age I believe it is a no brainer, no DP. I am upset they let these little murders go also. At 10 yrs old "come on' kids cannot handle seeing even a pet run over by a car...There are many cases where even a 5 yr old calls for help or run's for help for another hurt. Kids know right from wrong. I agree. When I was ten I was stomping on newts and frogs, with glee. I knew I was killing for no reason and I knew it was wrong and senseless. These kids knew what they were doing too. Id give them a real life sentence like Denise (James' mother wanted.) why? so you could waste your money feeding and housing the garbage? it's quite simple. they have no right to still be breathing
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 17, 2013 15:02:31 GMT -6
Kids know right from wrong. I agree. When I was ten I was stomping on newts and frogs, with glee. I knew I was killing for no reason and I knew it was wrong and senseless. These kids knew what they were doing too. Id give them a real life sentence like Denise (James' mother wanted.) why? so you could waste your money feeding and housing the garbage? it's quite simple. they have no right to still be breathing It is not about money, they were 11 yrs old ,although it was an adult crime they commited not some accidental act of not knowing/understanding the consquences. They knew obviously it would certainly kill/did kill/ the boy. But, at that age, I am sure they had no idea of the consquences for them...So, being contained for life starting at such a young age, miss so much life had to offer and experiences is as harsh as it should get.. In a way they have lost a whole life already..
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 17, 2013 15:21:04 GMT -6
I would never been an advocate for these two to hang as they were so young. But, didn't one get caught wi child porn pretty soon after his release? pray tell. exactly how is jamie bulger less dead just because his murderers were eleven instead of 21? what the hell difference does how old the murderer is make? the ONLY thing that is relevant is whether or not they know murder is wrong. thompson and venables, as do virtually all 11 year olds, knew that murder is wrong. obviously, they deserved to be hanged. yeah. he got busted to the child porn, and a couple other little goodies Yes, child porn and other goodies, that just proves he is a ped & a murderer & should have been contained for life !!!
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Feb 17, 2013 15:42:55 GMT -6
If not hanged, then caged for life. Actually, facility for the criminally insane with Felix as his therapist ;D . He may be an anti but he has no love for this type.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 17, 2013 16:05:04 GMT -6
why? so you could waste your money feeding and housing the garbage? it's quite simple. they have no right to still be breathing It is not about money, they were 11 yrs old ,although it was an adult crime they commited not some accidental act of not knowing/understanding the consquences. They knew obviously it would certainly kill/did kill/ the boy. But, at that age, I am sure they had no idea of the consquences for them...So, being contained for life starting at such a young age, miss so much life had to offer and experiences is as harsh as it should get.. In a way they have lost a whole life already.. knowing the consequences for them is immaterial. as i said, the ONLY thing that is relevant is that they knew it is wrong to murder. on top of that, they didn't just murder the baby, they tortured him. they were totally cognizant of what they were doing, and there is NOTHING, that could ever mitigate it. they have no right walking around among normal people. they are obviously sadistic murderers, and it is virtually guaranteed that at least the one of them is going to murder again. you could make a case for your idea IF britain had a true life sentence, where there was no possibility of them ever coming out of prison alive. sadly, britain has a habit of releasing murderers after a couple of years
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Post by whitediamonds on Feb 17, 2013 17:52:49 GMT -6
It is not about money, they were 11 yrs old ,although it was an adult crime they commited not some accidental act of not knowing/understanding the consquences. They knew obviously it would certainly kill/did kill/ the boy. But, at that age, I am sure they had no idea of the consquences for them...So, being contained for life starting at such a young age, miss so much life had to offer and experiences is as harsh as it should get.. In a way they have lost a whole life already.. knowing the consequences for them is immaterial. as i said, the ONLY thing that is relevant is that they knew it is wrong to murder. on top of that, they didn't just murder the baby, they tortured him. they were totally cognizant of what they were doing, and there is NOTHING, that could ever mitigate it. they have no right walking around among normal people. they are obviously sadistic murderers, and it is virtually guaranteed that at least the one of them is going to murder again. you could make a case for your idea IF britain had a true life sentence, where there was no possibility of them ever coming out of prison alive. sadly, britain has a habit of releasing murderers after a couple of years I told you why I would pay tax money to keep them incarcerated( real life) over the DP for the 11 yr old murderers. You asked why would we feed them not give them the DP. I replied why I would and under what . circumstances ( real life sentence) None of this is relevant no DP Or real Life sentences anyhow. They really are wasting money,spending it all to help/ protect/give new identities, financial support, is what is wasted money, to release them unto lawful citizens to wipe out a few more along way ( hit and miss)add in the equations of the new up and coming murderers.... .For them cost to the public,the victims families in the long run a dangerous horrified life, knowing they may live close or run into them somewhere and are expected to just suck it up ( chit happens) lawful citizens having murderers realeased around them which with the new and up coming murderers muiltply like rabbits,rats? Now that is a high stakes roulette game with innocent lives they are putting at risk with some shrink saying they are rehabilitated. While Mental suffering in the face of the victims families ... That is a cost I would not want to support the rest of my life, that is a cost far past what is humane to tax payers, I wonder if they had the right to vote themselves" each citizen, how would that come out???t..DP or not.,, life sentences or no?
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Post by Eminey1 on Feb 20, 2013 9:32:32 GMT -6
Used to be Anti? Welcome to the dark side From what I heard on the radio, there would be a few volunteers willing to execute these two lads. Shocked even me. I knew there was a lot of folks want the DP back in Britain but listening to callers on the radio it seems that includes children too I'll be honest Id be uneasy hanging 11 year olds but have no problem with say 16 Hell you can have sex here at 16 so *shrug* why would it shock you. thompson and venables were, and are, garbage. as i said, age has NO relevance. a murderer is a murderer. i would have no problem hanging a ten year old murderer. just have to be careful to not give them too long of a drop Sorry I did not see part of my post that said that poor little James was any less dead because he will murdered by children not adults. Thinking of the immense suffering endured by that poor defenceless baby breaks my heart and makes me hold onto my little by so much tighter. We have to remember that children of eleven committed this terrible act, we cannot as a civilised society go hanging children. A what age would you see this punishment as acceptable? Maybe we should put my little boy up on a charge of animal cruelty for kicking a cat at the age of eighteen months? I am all for bringing back the death penalty in the UK, in fact I would shout it from the rooftops with pride, but for children, nope sorry I am outta that argument. I do feel that the killers of James recited a far too lenient sentence and much more should have been done to protect society from these killers rather than a few years with a play station behind bars. But in saying that there has to be some balance, hanging children to me is not balanced it is just wrong! We will never know whether the killers would have reformed having spent some serious time behind bars, whether they would have reoffended but what I do believe in is that is would have been massively wrong in today's society to take the lives of eleven year old children.
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Post by Joey on Feb 20, 2013 9:49:17 GMT -6
Em, very well put.
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