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Post by starbux on Oct 18, 2012 2:32:37 GMT -6
For me its the CHAIRI love this chair, I mean look at it, you know it only has one purpose. It was almost the punishment in of itself. "You commit murder, and you will get the CHAIR! [glow=red,2,300] ZAP!!!![/glow] Unlike today where the method of death is very sterile and looks similar to going in for surgery, the chair made the criminal sit upright to fully appreciate the last few minutes of his life. It is in my opinion the symbolic punishment for crime. Here are some fun facts about "THE CHAIR" ;D From wikipedia: Adopted in 1889 by New YorkInvented by employees of Thomas Edison First execution was in August 6, 1890 killing William KemmlerLast to be executed with the chair without a choice, was in Alabama in May 10th 2002, Lynda Lyon Block, she was also the first woman to be executed in Alabama since 1957 Remains as an alternate method in 8 states Last to be executed with the chair was Paul Warner Powell in Virginia March 18th 2010 Theory is that he chose this method hoping that it would spur a stay insanity appeal Zap not so much. I think it would be cool if brought back to all the death chambers.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Oct 18, 2012 4:46:05 GMT -6
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Post by dogrose on Oct 18, 2012 6:27:00 GMT -6
That's the way to do it Steve, quick and easy if done right.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2012 8:36:16 GMT -6
That's the way to do it Steve, quick and easy if done right. Does anyone know what is the differnce in method used between where euthanasia is used verses the method used in an execution???
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2012 8:37:34 GMT -6
Pol: I love my soft fluffy kitten
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Oct 18, 2012 8:41:20 GMT -6
In Switzerland the Dignitas assisted suicide clinic uses an oral dose of an antiemetic drug, followed approx 30 minutes later by a lethal overdose of powdered pentobarbital dissolved in a glass of water or fruit juice.
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Post by starbux on Oct 18, 2012 9:38:17 GMT -6
Pol: I love my soft fluffy kitten Thats the option if you want your criminal to be alive in prison or just plain indifferent either way. Typsy: I like assisted suicide methods I think they ought to be instituted in prison for any felon that is depressed and wants to so themselves and society a favor. I call it automatic execution. No appeals no money just simply raise your hand and here you go
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 18, 2012 9:48:35 GMT -6
Pol: I love my soft fluffy kitten Thats the option if you want your criminal to be alive in prison or just plain indifferent either way. Typsy: I like assisted suicide methods I think they ought to be instituted in prison for any felon that is depressed and wants to so themselves and society a favor. I call it automatic execution. No appeals no money just simply raise your hand and here you go Oh I know what that option mean't, it is also the way Fugly comes across in regards to murderers on this site.. Me I am ok with hanging myself...or what we use now is no different then placing a person asleep as far as pain, like for surgery.
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Post by starbux on Oct 18, 2012 9:54:02 GMT -6
I forgot to put that one down and I go back and change it it looks like So I guess that falls under the category "what ever gets the job done" I agree Lethal Injection is no different than surgery in fact I research sodium thiopental used to be a agent in agent in Anesthesia but was replaced with Barbatol. I think getting a local anesthetic is much more painfull than any pain caused by the Leathal Drugs
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 22:34:30 GMT -6
The chair for sure. It is the only truly American way to take out the trash. There is no greater symbol of justice than old sparky. It truly looks like punishment. And it is not as messy or painful as the movies make it out to be. They throw the switch, the POS tenses back and all you hear is a light electrical hum.
Come on, lethal injection looks too much like a medical procedure. The gas chamber is a terrible method! That is what the nazis did! Hanging is one of the oldest and simplest methods (still an option where I live.) The pos falls through the hatch and thats it. But its a little to violent for the witnesses. Firing squad is pretty quick and painless. Don't tell me 5 bullets to the chest wont kill you instantly. But its also a little to violent for the witnesses. I thinks thats more reserved for the military anyways. There you have it, my take on all the methods.
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Post by josephdphillips on Oct 21, 2012 12:45:43 GMT -6
The chair for sure. It is the only truly American way to take out the trash. There is no greater symbol of justice than old sparky. It truly looks like punishment. And it is not as messy or painful as the movies make it out to be. They throw the switch, the POS tenses back and all you hear is a light electrical hum. Come on, lethal injection looks too much like a medical procedure. The gas chamber is a terrible method! That is what the nazis did! Hanging is one of the oldest and simplest methods (still an option where I live.) The pos falls through the hatch and thats it. But its a little to violent for the witnesses. Firing squad is pretty quick and painless. Don't tell me 5 bullets to the chest wont kill you instantly. But its also a little to violent for the witnesses. I thinks thats more reserved for the military anyways. There you have it, my take on all the methods. An execution method says everything about the moral ambivalence of the electorate, which in the end is doing the killing. We should just use the cheapest method without regard to the feelings of the condemned, none of whom want to die to begin with. Doing away with the Eighth Amendment to the federal constitution would be a good start. I've been arguing that for a long time.
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Post by starbux on Oct 22, 2012 21:49:59 GMT -6
A baseball bat to the head is pretty cheap, and effective but I think that the peacenicks will not have that though. The Irony is that probably the most humane punishment would be the guillotine, because the clean chop would not register pain because the body will be in shock. By the time the brain would register pain the lack of oxygen in the blood would cause a tempory coma followed by immediate death. After decapitation death should occur no later than 30 seconds for all the neurons to detach. The In theory the executed will only be aware of his head being separated for a fraction of a second.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Oct 24, 2012 2:33:39 GMT -6
Lethal Injection. I don't know what it is but there is just something about an infusion machine pumping a lethal cocktail into a POS's IV line that I like. Plus it takes away the "heroic" status of anything else.
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Post by starbux on Oct 24, 2012 13:39:37 GMT -6
Lethal Injection. I don't know what it is but there is just something about an infusion machine pumping a lethal cocktail into a POS's IV line that I like. Plus it takes away the "heroic" status of anything else. That is an interesting take on it. True it does take away the prisoner's ability to be hardcore and make some sort of statement. I would like it better if were in a wooden chair, in stead of a commercial off the shelf operating table. I would rather it look like punishment versus a medical procedure. One thing is for sure I could care less if it hurts them. No one said the method has to be painless, nor does it require them to be comfortable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 14:35:40 GMT -6
I voted for "hanging" because if I were designing capital punishment, that would be the most common method, but I suggest having several different methods available. I would suggest making hanging the default, and mandate that it be available, but allow electrocution as a measure of mercy in some cases, and at the very least shooting through the heart for more serious crimes. I would require that execution methods be humane, but would not define humane as painless. Shooting through an organ you can't live without for more than a few seconds is humane.
Which is why LI should be abolished. Furthermore, I wonder if it is actually more unpleasant than it looks due to the possibility of the offender remaining conscious after being paralyzed--the opposite of electrocution which looks harsh but is actually very humane.
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Post by starbux on Oct 25, 2012 15:16:51 GMT -6
Exactly, It does not need to be painless. My understanding is that Beheading by guillotene, albeit the most blood and gore of the methods aside from the Saudi Method of being beheaded by sword is the most humane. My understanding is that as the clean blade slices through the neck the Nerves get "Short-circuited," if you will causing sensory overload to the brain. Immediately the brain does not know how to process and shuts down. The condemed is still alive technically, but feels nothing because the brain is in shock. With out pulmonary response, the oxygen in the blood has now metabolized to CO2 and the brain in effect is rapidly deterring and is dead in seconds.
Apparently this is similar to the chair, the sudden burst of current overloads all the nerves sending a reverse current to the brain, similar to Electromagnetic Pulse or EMP on a circuit board after a nuclear blast. It looks painful because the muscles are stimulated by electricity but the brain will not process anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 18:08:07 GMT -6
I voted hanging- it's quick and instant if carried out correctly. I thought of voting shooting as it is quite similarly quick, but it's a bit more violent and gory than hanging. Not really pro or anti, but I think there has to be compassion with executions
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Oct 28, 2012 4:35:24 GMT -6
Lethal Injection. I don't know what it is but there is just something about an infusion machine pumping a lethal cocktail into a POS's IV line that I like. Plus it takes away the "heroic" status of anything else. That is an interesting take on it. True it does take away the prisoner's ability to be hardcore and make some sort of statement. I would like it better if were in a wooden chair, in stead of a commercial off the shelf operating table. I would rather it look like punishment versus a medical procedure. One thing is for sure I could care less if it hurts them. No one said the method has to be painless, nor does it require them to be comfortable. Well, it actually did look less like a procedure when there was a big ass machine glaring you down with 8 syringes in it injecting drugs in your IV line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 21:45:04 GMT -6
I what ever gets the job done.. I don't care how messy it is. As long as the POS is dead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 10:07:25 GMT -6
I have voted for old-fashioned hanging. I am for short- or standard-drop hanging as long-drop hanging can be awful if a mistake happens. Furthermore, it is not sure that the prisoner's mind will be knocked out at once. For his or her evildoing, he or she should suffer a bit. No way of putting to death have the garanty that it is ever and fully painless. It will never be smooth. Old-fashioned gallows are good to show that evildoing is taken very serious.
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Post by Matt on Mar 7, 2013 10:47:16 GMT -6
The minute we allowed ourselves to be persuaded that by dismantling the gallows (rope), we were taking a step forward in capital punishment jurisprudence, we set ourselves up for the inevitable demise of the death penalty in America. The chair, and now lethal injection, have proven to be joyously simple to "medicalize" in the eyes of the Anti movement, and thus create the doubt necessary to slow the pace of executions to a crawl, and to effectively kill them off entirely in most regions of the US.
Done properly, hanging is by far the easiest, quickest and most humane way to execute a condemned person. But it will never happen again in this country.
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Post by Californian on Mar 7, 2013 13:47:40 GMT -6
Euthanasia usually uses a large dose of a barbiturate like pentobarbital, just like the LI procedure in several states.
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 7, 2013 16:51:25 GMT -6
Euthanasia usually uses a large dose of a barbiturate like pentobarbital, just like the LI procedure in several states. Reason I like , the current method LI..
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Post by Californian on Mar 7, 2013 18:00:24 GMT -6
Reason I like , the current method LI.. Our anti brethren often seem to forget (or don't know) LI was designed by an anesthesiologist, i.e., a physician who specializes in putting people to sleep. The pavulon and KCL were just to speed the hump along to hell so all the witnesses didn't have to sit around another 10 minutes waiting for him to croak.
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Post by sanquentin on Mar 11, 2013 23:54:37 GMT -6
I'm for shooting in the back of the head, but I wonder about LI: What if we got rid of the anesthetic and the lung paralytic. If it was just the cardiac drug, how long would it take? That would put some scare in LI.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 13:54:41 GMT -6
Beheading is a no-go for myself as it causes a mess of blood. As well, very cruel ways to kill like breaking on the wheel of impaling.
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Post by ltdc on Mar 13, 2013 12:32:26 GMT -6
I'm going to have to stay with "ready-aim-one-two-three-BANG-five. I think that has some "sphincter factor" therein.
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Post by starbux on Mar 13, 2013 13:19:39 GMT -6
I'm going to have to stay with "ready-aim-one-two-three-BANG-five. I think that has some "sphincter factor" therein. It gets the job done for sure
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Post by Californian on Mar 14, 2013 8:56:46 GMT -6
I'm for shooting in the back of the head, but I wonder about LI: What if we got rid of the anesthetic and the lung paralytic. If it was just the cardiac drug, how long would it take? That would put some scare in LI. Seconds. IV injection of an overdose of KCL stops the heart almost immediately. It's the drug of choice for suicide within the medical community.
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Post by oslooskar on Mar 17, 2013 23:16:20 GMT -6
Done properly, hanging is by far the easiest, quickest and most humane way to execute a condemned person. But it will never happen again in this country. I don’t know how you’ve arrived at that conclusion, Matt. A bullet in the back of the head is simple, instantaneous, and painless.
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