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Post by starbux on Sept 18, 2012 8:38:27 GMT -6
Why the death penalty? Why not just life without parole? Well the real question should be, why criminals, why crime. Do we need criminals, do we benefit from them. Have you ever told your self or heard anyone say wow, there isn't crime in this city! We need more crime! Of course not, that would be ridiculous. So we know that we don't benefit from criminals, why do we care if they stay alive. Well we care because there are instances where LWOP's kill in prision, grnated if they kill another inmate I honestly think that is 2 for the price of 1. But in alot of cases they kill the guards and other staff.
Not too mention they can and have escaped. Do you think for one minute an escapee serving LWOP for one minute would not hesitate to kill you in the night to get your car. Of course not! They would slit your throat put you in the trunk and drive until they no longer needed your car and dump it to go get someone else.
I look at the DP as a liquidation of criminals that we want to guarantee that they do not ever get to do their crime again. We as a society owe criminals nothing they owe us everything. It is their privilege, not a right when we let them out. when we let them out we surely are relesing a rabid dog out into the public to commit crimes again and again and again.
I want a society where I can walk down the street unarmed and not worry about the man in shadows. I want to be able to live in a house that does not need bars on the windows and doors preventing burglars.
We should not be afraid of having our stuff damaged. I hold what I have earned in high regard. And I take a criminal in low regard. I have no problem when the criminals get what they deserve.
Since we have no need for criminals we are not doing anything but helping society by systematically eliminating the worst from the worst.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 18, 2012 9:07:39 GMT -6
I have to ask first and foremost, why does the public have so much interest in crime/criminals/murder/prisons/violence?
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 18, 2012 9:19:45 GMT -6
I have to ask first and foremost, why does the public have so much interest in crime/criminals/murder/prisons/violence? The folks on this board have such an interest, but the general public does not. Most Americans do not know anyone who was murdered, and, in fact, don't want to hear anything from MVSes, as well.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 18, 2012 9:36:35 GMT -6
I have to ask first and foremost, why does the public have so much interest in crime/criminals/murder/prisons/violence? The folks on this board have such an interest, but the general public does not. Most Americans do not know anyone who was murdered, and, in fact, don't want to hear anything from MVSes, as well. I was thinking along the lines of the TV shows, women in prison, violent shows/movies of murder/torture almost every channel, including DR interviews etc...those who marry inmates etc etc so many of them, violent video games..
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Sept 18, 2012 9:50:25 GMT -6
WD, if you're offended or whatever by television switch it off. I did a while ago (save sport) and boy it feels good.
And if the UK announced it was going to have a real LWOP for every killer Id be happy. Id hang the lot of course but realise it would be too much for some.
Doing what we do now and releasing them after a paltry 12 years is a joke. A sick joke.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 18, 2012 10:11:20 GMT -6
I have been turning off the TV more and more, it may be shut off at some point due to what I feel offended by. It feels to me it is all making people feel compassion for the wrong ones, while murder victims/families should stop whining and get mental help,comments Majority of the criminals are not mental, they are just plain evil/extremely dangerous, some people need to face that. I like the DP not for revenge it is the humane thing to do.It is not the humane thing to do release them back to society for anyone,it's playing roulette with peoples lives(majority of)
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Sept 18, 2012 10:23:26 GMT -6
Just do what I do when I see idiots saying MVS are whining, smile to yourself smugly and scroll on by. They are not worthy of reply.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 18, 2012 10:30:38 GMT -6
Just do what I do when I see idiots saying MVS are whining, smile to yourself smugly and scroll on by. They are not worthy of reply. True yet, not easy to do, it is so flk'd up, it is dehumanizing the victim as well as their family/ friends as trifle get over it, yet, those who do this at the same time are humanizing the criminal. WTH !!!
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Post by starbux on Sept 18, 2012 17:16:12 GMT -6
I have to ask first and foremost, why does the public have so much interest in crime/criminals/murder/prisons/violence? Because its like a *deleted* roach infestation, its a cancer that plagues us. There is so much of it in our world. The only way to get rid of it is to kill it.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 19, 2012 8:54:10 GMT -6
I was thinking along the lines of the TV shows, women in prison, violent shows/movies of murder/torture almost every channel, including DR interviews etc...those who marry inmates etc etc so many of them, violent video games.. Ok, that kind of interest -- violence as entertainment. You have a point there. That kind of interest doesn't translate into moral indignation. Those television shows never mention how many murderers have been released from prison.
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Post by moretoasts on Sept 20, 2012 8:39:02 GMT -6
The only way to get rid of it is to kill it. That's why you hold death penalty and infact you have one of the lowest criminal rate in the world
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Post by starbux on Sept 21, 2012 10:46:12 GMT -6
No, we do not have a low crime rate, not because we use the death penalty. It is because we do not use the death penalty enough. Our great punishment is being sabotaged by the anti's. We do not give it out enough, and the antis are the reason it takes 20+ years to dispense our beloved justice. It takes too long to punish these inmates because they are allowed to file an appeal after appeal for every legal argument that they can make. They bog down the system with superfluous appeals, items that force the appellate here, and and it takes time. This is how it works in California. I want to applaud South Dakota for changing the way this is done. They are using my idea of a good execution model. 1. Criminal has trial and is convicted. 2. Criminal is condemned to die by legal means. 3. Criminal gets 1 appeal for all arguments. 4. Criminal loses appeal, but has option to appeal the supreme court, only in a rare case. 5. Death warrant signed, clemency, denied. 6. Execution carried out. All in a time frame of 3 years max. 3 Years!, it should only take 3 fc6king years for a condemner criminal to be executed!! It should be made public again, it should be in the town square of a big city. We can host it like a carnival. Sell cotton candy, hot dogs, the works! It will be like going to the fair. It can become part of a new reality TV show. Let the kids learn a lesson for things to come if you commit a brutal crime. The lesson will be that you loose your life. Thats how it needs to be!!!!! Death sentence needs to be abundant, swift, and public.
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