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Post by liljessncda on Jul 1, 2013 0:24:16 GMT -6
next we will hear fugly is putting flowers on her grave.. Stink weed is acceptable. Fertilizer!!
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Post by charon on Jul 1, 2013 1:39:40 GMT -6
In Peckerwood Hill. Too bad, huh, SCUMPAL? Why contaminate the soil? Burn the b!tch and flush the same down the loo.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 1, 2013 8:45:23 GMT -6
No but it shows they know the consequences of there actions..if they get the DP they deserve it.. They all deserve the death penalty. What difference does it make whether or not a murderer knows the consequences of his actions? The point of condemning a murderer is to efface him from humanity, permanently. Whether or not he's contrite or appreciates the nature of his crime is irrelevant.
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 1, 2013 13:19:32 GMT -6
No but it shows they know the consequences of there actions..if they get the DP they deserve it.. They all deserve the death penalty. What difference does it make whether or not a murderer knows the consequences of his actions? The point of condemning a murderer is to efface him from humanity, permanently. Whether or not he's contrite or appreciates the nature of his crime is irrelevant. That's a matter of opinion, not mine! You can argue it all day & I will do the same for mine..
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 1, 2013 14:01:24 GMT -6
That's a matter of opinion, not mine! You can argue it all day & I will do the same for mine.. But you haven't made an argument. If you intend to parole a murderer, and you sound as if you have no problem with that, the murderer's attitudes toward his victim and toward the law-abiding would indeed matter, because releasing a inmate, even a murderer, means you've forgiven him. If you simply wish to dispose of a murderer forever, via permanent immurement or execution, you are telling him you've had enough, and nothing he says or does will satisfy you -- you just want him gone. It is hypocritical to expect some expression of humanity from someone whose humanity you're bent on destroying.
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 1, 2013 16:06:22 GMT -6
That's a matter of opinion, not mine! You can argue it all day & I will do the same for mine.. But you haven't made an argument. If you intend to parole a murderer, and you sound as if you have no problem with that, the murderer's attitudes toward his victim and toward the law-abiding would indeed matter, because releasing a inmate, even a murderer, means you've forgiven him. If you simply wish to dispose of a murderer forever, via permanent immurement or execution, you are telling him you've had enough, and nothing he says or does will satisfy you -- you just want him gone. It is hypocritical to expect some expression of humanity from someone whose humanity you're bent on destroying. Your an idiot.. Not once did I express a parole of a murderer, nor did I lead into expressing that. What I said is a person sentenced to death that shows remorse has a conscious.. You wanted to continue the banter back & fourth in which you make absolutely no sense. I stated my "argument" three times in which I simply said it show a "conscious" . Does that mean I want to parole them? Absolutely not & nothing I said lead to that belief, thought, desire or opinion. I am a LOUD supporter of the death penalty. It's very easy to see that by reading my posts. Does having a conscious mean they should not pay the consequence of there actions? Absolutely not!! This is my last reply to about this topic, at this point you make no sense & your bs accusations of my statements isn't going to fly so take a hike.
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Post by Californian on Jul 1, 2013 18:41:35 GMT -6
But you haven't made an argument. If you intend to parole a murderer, and you sound as if you have no problem with that, the murderer's attitudes toward his victim and toward the law-abiding would indeed matter, because releasing a inmate, even a murderer, means you've forgiven him. If you simply wish to dispose of a murderer forever, via permanent immurement or execution, you are telling him you've had enough, and nothing he says or does will satisfy you -- you just want him gone. It is hypocritical to expect some expression of humanity from someone whose humanity you're bent on destroying. Your an idiot.. Not once did I express a parole of a murderer, nor did I lead into expressing that. What I said is a person sentenced to death that shows remorse has a conscious.. You wanted to continue the banter back & fourth in which you make absolutely no sense. I stated my "argument" three times in which I simply said it show a "conscious" . Does that mean I want to parole them? Absolutely not & nothing I said lead to that belief, thought, desire or opinion. I am a LOUD supporter of the death penalty. It's very easy to see that by reading my posts. Does having a conscious mean they should not pay the consequence of there actions? Absolutely not!! This is my last reply to about this topic, at this point you make no sense & your bs accusations of my statements isn't going to fly so take a hike. Not everything that passes spell check is correct. "Conscience," not "Conscious." Not to mention several homonym errors.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Jul 1, 2013 18:54:42 GMT -6
But you haven't made an argument. If you intend to parole a murderer, and you sound as if you have no problem with that, the murderer's attitudes toward his victim and toward the law-abiding would indeed matter, because releasing a inmate, even a murderer, means you've forgiven him. If you simply wish to dispose of a murderer forever, via permanent immurement or execution, you are telling him you've had enough, and nothing he says or does will satisfy you -- you just want him gone. It is hypocritical to expect some expression of humanity from someone whose humanity you're bent on destroying. Wow, it didn't take long fir Joe yo get under your skin. He is very focused in his opinion. Good luck with his pro-dp argument but stick to your guns. You'll do just fine. Your an idiot.. Not once did I express a parole of a murderer, nor did I lead into expressing that. What I said is a person sentenced to death that shows remorse has a conscious.. You wanted to continue the banter back & fourth in which you make absolutely no sense. I stated my "argument" three times in which I simply said it show a "conscious" . Does that mean I want to parole them? Absolutely not & nothing I said lead to that belief, thought, desire or opinion. I am a LOUD supporter of the death penalty. It's very easy to see that by reading my posts. Does having a conscious mean they should not pay the consequence of there actions? Absolutely not!! This is my last reply to about this topic, at this point you make no sense & your bs accusations of my statements isn't going to fly so take a hike.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 21:59:14 GMT -6
But you haven't made an argument. If you intend to parole a murderer, and you sound as if you have no problem with that, the murderer's attitudes toward his victim and toward the law-abiding would indeed matter, because releasing a inmate, even a murderer, means you've forgiven him. If you simply wish to dispose of a murderer forever, via permanent immurement or execution, you are telling him you've had enough, and nothing he says or does will satisfy you -- you just want him gone. It is hypocritical to expect some expression of humanity from someone whose humanity you're bent on destroying. Your an idiot.. Not once did I express a parole of a murderer, nor did I lead into expressing that. What I said is a person sentenced to death that shows remorse has a conscious.. You wanted to continue the banter back & fourth in which you make absolutely no sense. I stated my "argument" three times in which I simply said it show a "conscious" . Does that mean I want to parole them? Absolutely not & nothing I said lead to that belief, thought, desire or opinion. I am a LOUD supporter of the death penalty. It's very easy to see that by reading my posts. Does having a conscious mean they should not pay the consequence of there actions? Absolutely not!! This is my last reply to about this topic, at this point you make no sense & your bs accusations of my statements isn't going to fly so take a hike. Like SubSurf, I couldn't help but notice that you've met JoeD. Fun guy, huh? I think you can hold your own with him just fine. Welcome to the board. *flower-emoticon (I do miss that one)*
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 1, 2013 22:56:49 GMT -6
Your an idiot.. Not once did I express a parole of a murderer, nor did I lead into expressing that. What I said is a person sentenced to death that shows remorse has a conscious.. You wanted to continue the banter back & fourth in which you make absolutely no sense. I stated my "argument" three times in which I simply said it show a "conscious" . Does that mean I want to parole them? Absolutely not & nothing I said lead to that belief, thought, desire or opinion. I am a LOUD supporter of the death penalty. It's very easy to see that by reading my posts. Does having a conscious mean they should not pay the consequence of there actions? Absolutely not!! This is my last reply to about this topic, at this point you make no sense & your bs accusations of my statements isn't going to fly so take a hike. Not everything that passes spell check is correct. "Conscience," not "Conscious." Not to mention several homonym errors. Thanks for the spell check ? next time I decide to post on a board for discussion ill be sure to watch my grammar as well ?
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Post by charon on Jul 1, 2013 23:14:39 GMT -6
Not everything that passes spell check is correct. "Conscience," not "Conscious." Not to mention several homonym errors. Thanks for the spell check ? next time I decide to post on a board for discussion ill be sure to watch my grammar as well ? Oh relax would you? That thing in front of you is a computer. Try and remember that.
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Post by oslooskar on Jul 7, 2013 23:54:08 GMT -6
Thanks for the spell check ? next time I decide to post on a board for discussion ill be sure to watch my grammar as well ? You might also want to learn when and when not to use question marks. In fact, you might even want to learn the difference between, "ill" and I'll.
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 8, 2013 2:38:40 GMT -6
Thanks for the spell check ? next time I decide to post on a board for discussion ill be sure to watch my grammar as well ? You might also want to learn when and when not to use question marks. In fact, you might even want to learn the difference between, "ill" and I'll. Give me a break! I mostly type from my iPhone, if you have one you realize the typo's that occur. I'll= I will, Ill = illness or sickness. I am not on a grammatical policing board, I am on a board to discuss presented topics. Just for the record my iPhone auto places certain things, like ill/I'll, and the the question mark are actually emoticons that didn't come up as such. If you have a wild hair to correct what I type that please don't read it because I don't care about iPhone typos that I could care less to go back & fix. I joined this board to discuss, correspond, and share my experienced on what this board is about not to be Policed. Thank you
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 9, 2013 17:08:45 GMT -6
Not once did I express a parole of a murderer, nor did I lead into expressing that. I did qualify my remarks. If you believe in an automatic LWOP or DP sentence for every act of murder, I apologize. Most people who claim they support capital punishment, however, also support parole for murderers. Support for the death penalty is extremely arbitrary. It all depends on who is doing the murdering, and who is being murdered. Except in Michigan. Over there murderers are regarded with equanimity. What I said is a person sentenced to death that shows remorse has a conscious.. You wanted to continue the banter back & fourth in which you make absolutely no sense. I stated my "argument" three times in which I simply said it show a "conscious" . Does that mean I want to parole them? Absolutely not & nothing I said lead to that belief, thought, desire or opinion. I am a LOUD supporter of the death penalty. It's very easy to see that by reading my posts. Does having a conscious mean they should not pay the consequence of there actions? Absolutely not!! This is my last reply to about this topic, at this point you make no sense & your bs accusations of my statements isn't going to fly so take a hike. I am simply questioning the value of a condemned murderer's conscience, or the value of his alleged remorse, to those who are executing him for his crime. The use of capital punishment in the United States is moribund because we have focused too much attention on the personalities, and perfect guilt, of the murderers at the expense of their victims. A murderer is a murderer is a murderer, to me. They're all just case numbers. Hang them, shoot them, throw them out at 40,000 feet -- I don't care. Their last words of expiation or explanation, sincere or otherwise, have nothing to do with what they did or why they're being executed. That's how I roll.
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 9, 2013 17:45:49 GMT -6
Not once did I express a parole of a murderer, nor did I lead into expressing that. I did qualify my remarks. If you believe in an automatic LWOP or DP sentence for every act of murder, I apologize. Most people who claim they support capital punishment, however, also support parole for murderers. Support for the death penalty is extremely arbitrary. It all depends on who is doing the murdering, and who is being murdered. Except in Michigan. Over there murderers are regarded with equanimity. What I said is a person sentenced to death that shows remorse has a conscious.. You wanted to continue the banter back & fourth in which you make absolutely no sense. I stated my "argument" three times in which I simply said it show a "conscious" . Does that mean I want to parole them? Absolutely not & nothing I said lead to that belief, thought, desire or opinion. I am a LOUD supporter of the death penalty. It's very easy to see that by reading my posts. Does having a conscious mean they should not pay the consequence of there actions? Absolutely not!! This is my last reply to about this topic, at this point you make no sense & your bs accusations of my statements isn't going to fly so take a hike. I am simply questioning the value of a condemned murderer's conscience, or the value of his alleged remorse, to those who are executing him for his crime. The use of capital punishment in the United States is moribund because we have focused too much attention on the personalities, and perfect guilt, of the murderers at the expense of their victims. A murderer is a murderer is a murderer, to me. They're all just case numbers. Hang them, shoot them, throw them out at 40,000 feet -- I don't care. Their last words of expiation or explanation, sincere or otherwise, have nothing to do with what they did or why they're being executed. That's how I roll. "That's how I roll".. Love it!!' I understand what your saying. For me, everyone must pay the penalty they are given. I think sex offenders should be executed as well. I don't think in the US we give & execute executions near enough. I don't know why having remorse changes anything for me. It doesn't change what I feel should happen to them or what they deserve. It does however anger me to read & hear of death row inmates having scum pals that relay information to the public, in which they defend actions & blame our society. It rubs salt into a wound that will never heal anyways. That has been my experience & I can't pretend I know personally any different. For some reason someone owning actions is different to me . Not in a way that should ever change a punishment but in a way that could bring some closure to loved ones. I don't have any experience in someone expressing true remorse & therefore can't say if it does do that. I want to be clear that I don't believe a murderer or somebody on Death row should EVER be paroled under any circumstance. ~that's how I roll~ had to steal it sorry! Lol
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 10, 2013 9:39:47 GMT -6
I understand what your saying. For me, everyone must pay the penalty they are given. I think sex offenders should be executed as well. That's counterproductive, unless you want victims of sex offenders to be murdered, on top of being abused. Are the sexually abused really better off dead? I don't think in the US we give & execute executions near enough. I don't know why having remorse changes anything for me. It doesn't change what I feel should happen to them or what they deserve. It does however anger me to read & hear of death row inmates having scum pals that relay information to the public, in which they defend actions & blame our society. It rubs salt into a wound that will never heal anyways. That has been my experience & I can't pretend I know personally any different. Well yeah, I get that, and the scumpals and thughuggers used to bother me, too. Since then I have to wonder why we let so many murderers out of prison, notwithstanding the alleged popularity of the death penalty. The only explanation is racism, since most victims of murder are people of color. To me there's not much difference between a scumpal/thughugger and someone who would parole a murderer, any murderer, for any reason. For some reason someone owning actions is different to me . Not in a way that should ever change a punishment but in a way that could bring some closure to loved ones. I don't have any experience in someone expressing true remorse & therefore can't say if it does do that. When I try to put myself in the shoes of a murder victim survivor, I shudder. It hurts to even imagine that kind of sorrow. I think of my own kids and what it would be like to lose one to murder and I start grieving for no reason. I don't know if I could face someone who did that to my kid in court or in an execution observation room. The contempt I would feel would make me sick to my stomach. I don't think that contempt expires with the murderer's death, or should. I can forgive just about anything, but not murder. Never. Not in a million years. There are just some things that go beyond the pale, and that's one of them.
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 10, 2013 17:52:47 GMT -6
I understand what your saying. For me, everyone must pay the penalty they are given. I think sex offenders should be executed as well. That's counterproductive, unless you want victims of sex offenders to be murdered, on top of being abused. Are the sexually abused really better off dead? I don't think in the US we give & execute executions near enough. I don't know why having remorse changes anything for me. It doesn't change what I feel should happen to them or what they deserve. It does however anger me to read & hear of death row inmates having scum pals that relay information to the public, in which they defend actions & blame our society. It rubs salt into a wound that will never heal anyways. That has been my experience & I can't pretend I know personally any different. Well yeah, I get that, and the scumpals and thughuggers used to bother me, too. Since then I have to wonder why we let so many murderers out of prison, notwithstanding the alleged popularity of the death penalty. The only explanation is racism, since most victims of murder are people of color. To me there's not much difference between a scumpal/thughugger and someone who would parole a murderer, any murderer, for any reason. For some reason someone owning actions is different to me . Not in a way that should ever change a punishment but in a way that could bring some closure to loved ones. I don't have any experience in someone expressing true remorse & therefore can't say if it does do that. When I try to put myself in the shoes of a murder victim survivor, I shudder. It hurts to even imagine that kind of sorrow. I think of my own kids and what it would be like to lose one to murder and I start grieving for no reason. I don't know if I could face someone who did that to my kid in court or in an execution observation room. The contempt I would feel would make me sick to my stomach. I don't think that contempt expires with the murderer's death, or should. I can forgive just about anything, but not murder. Never. Not in a million years. There are just some things that go beyond the pale, and that's one of them. I don't believe that kind of action deserves forgiveness, however I think remorse is much better spewing blame & defending your actions.. Maybe that's my anger at the latter talking.. I don't know.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 10, 2013 18:48:37 GMT -6
All this talk about, apology/remorse/religious conversion, repentance, rehabilitation brings Karla Faye Tucker to mind.
To add: The movie "Dead Man Walking" for me makes a good case for the DP. Would the inmate have attained a moral transformation if not facing the DP & received clemency?
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 10, 2013 22:44:36 GMT -6
I understand what your saying. For me, everyone must pay the penalty they are given. I think sex offenders should be executed as well. That's counterproductive, unless you want victims of sex offenders to be murdered, on top of being abused. Are the sexually abused really better off dead? I don't think in the US we give & execute executions near enough. I don't know why having remorse changes anything for me. It doesn't change what I feel should happen to them or what they deserve. It does however anger me to read & hear of death row inmates having scum pals that relay information to the public, in which they defend actions & blame our society. It rubs salt into a wound that will never heal anyways. That has been my experience & I can't pretend I know personally any different. Well yeah, I get that, and the scumpals and thughuggers used to bother me, too. Since then I have to wonder why we let so many murderers out of prison, notwithstanding the alleged popularity of the death penalty. The only explanation is racism, since most victims of murder are people of color. To me there's not much difference between a scumpal/thughugger and someone who would parole a murderer, any murderer, for any reason. For some reason someone owning actions is different to me . Not in a way that should ever change a punishment but in a way that could bring some closure to loved ones. I don't have any experience in someone expressing true remorse & therefore can't say if it does do that. When I try to put myself in the shoes of a murder victim survivor, I shudder. It hurts to even imagine that kind of sorrow. I think of my own kids and what it would be like to lose one to murder and I start grieving for no reason. I don't know if I could face someone who did that to my kid in court or in an execution observation room. The contempt I would feel would make me sick to my stomach. I don't think that contempt expires with the murderer's death, or should. I can forgive just about anything, but not murder. Never. Not in a million years. There are just some things that go beyond the pale, and that's one of them. How is putting to death a sex offender counter productive? How would putting the victim of a sex offender be justified? I just want to clear on what you mean by this.
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 10, 2013 22:47:37 GMT -6
Well yeah, I get that, and the scumpals and thughuggers used to bother me, too.
Since then I have to wonder why we let so many murderers out of prison, notwithstanding the alleged popularity of the death penalty. The only explanation is racism, since most victims of murder are people of color.
To me there's not much difference between a scumpal/thughugger and someone who would parole a murderer, any murderer, for any reason.
Do you have any fact checks about your claim of most murder victims being of color?
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 11, 2013 7:48:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 7:49:01 GMT -6
Well yeah, I get that, and the scumpals and thughuggers used to bother me, too. Since then I have to wonder why we let so many murderers out of prison, notwithstanding the alleged popularity of the death penalty. The only explanation is racism, since most victims of murder are people of color. To me there's not much difference between a scumpal/thughugger and someone who would parole a murderer, any murderer, for any reason. Do you have any fact checks about your claim of most murder victims being of color? www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdfSee page 11. These are BJS Homicide Trends for period 1980-2008
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Post by liljessncda on Jul 11, 2013 9:40:22 GMT -6
I don't know about doubt I just wanted to see for myself. I really had no opinion either way to be honest. Now that I read through that it disturbs me that the media is chosing to publicize more of the Caucasian murders then the colored. It certainly is disturbing to me.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 11, 2013 9:47:03 GMT -6
I don't know about doubt I just wanted to see for myself. I really had no opinion either way to be honest. Now that I read through that it disturbs me that the media is chosing to publicize more of the Caucasian murders then the colored. It certainly is disturbing to me. The murder of a white non-hispanic person is man-bites-dog. That's news. The murder of a black or hispanic is dog-bites-man. It isn't unusual. You can't blame the news media for that. There are too many murders happening every day in the United States to report them all, so they pick out the ones they feel people would be most interested in. Punishments here are supposed to fit the crime, and the crime of murder affects every victim the same, notwithstanding the shock value of any one crime. It's hard to convince people who aren't directly affected by murder of that basic fact, however.
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