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Post by oslooskar on Dec 7, 2011 13:45:03 GMT -6
And I can only tell you from my own observations that it was quick and painless. I held the halter on my cousin’s oldest horse while the vet injected the lethal concoction into its neck. The horse then, without so much as a whimper, immediately fell over dead.
Conclusion; lethal injection, if done properly, is physically painless.
(Note: The horse was incredibly old (Almost 37 years) and suffering from cancer, and not eating.)
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Dec 7, 2011 18:17:12 GMT -6
Yes, it is painless if done properly. but most of the states use a different drug concotion. Though Ohio uses the same drug that I'm sure you are talking about. Sodium Pentobarbital is painless when given in euthanasia. It depresses the brainstem, lowering the electrical activity until all the organs shut down.
But most states use Sodium Thiopental which only lowers the electrical activity to cause unconsciousness, Pauvlon, which blocks signals sent to the brain that controls the voluntary muscles, and Potassium Chloride, which interrupts the beating process (Potassium causes the heart to expend, Sodium causes it to contract.) of the heart to cause it to stop. (it goes into an arrythmia because the heart can't contract: too much Potassium blocks it from contracting by cancelling out the Sodium).
Either way, both methods are painless. You have a much bigger dose used in lethal injection then you do for putting people into medically induced comas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 19:18:56 GMT -6
Is it the same drugs used for state sanctioned homicide..
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Post by Californian on Dec 9, 2011 8:52:59 GMT -6
It's probably seconal rather than pentothal. The pavulon and kcl used in human LIs aren't really necessary after a 5x LD100 does of any barbiturate, they just speed the process.
Mammals are mammals, and the LD100 for equines are well-known.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 16:05:03 GMT -6
It's probably seconal rather than pentothal. The pavulon and kcl used in human LIs aren't really necessary after a 5x LD100 does of any barbiturate, they just speed the process. Mammals are mammals, and the LD100 for equines are well-known. Thanx Cali..
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Post by Rev. Agave on Dec 9, 2011 17:33:45 GMT -6
Did he have oats for his last meal?
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Post by deathcub2000 on Dec 9, 2011 18:17:29 GMT -6
I watched my father-in-law pass away Thursday morning around 12:30. From about 11:30p.m. until 12:15 a.m. he was gasping for breath, a sharp inhale with about a second between inhalations. Then it got slower and quieter until the last one when he swallowed and died. I fail see how lethal injection would be harder and more uncomfortable.
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Post by honkybouffant on Dec 13, 2011 17:50:04 GMT -6
Sounds like if a murderer starts killing kids using this method, you guys will be congratulating him on how humane he was.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Dec 13, 2011 23:52:59 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but I feel I must ask this. Exactly HOW far up *your rear* is your head? We were simply discussing the difference between how horse euthanasia and human executions are nearly the same and nearly different, but you had to snark about that also.
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Post by honkybouffant on Dec 14, 2011 0:03:06 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but I feel I must ask this. Exactly HOW far up *your rear* is your head? We were simply discussing the difference between how horse euthanasia and human executions are nearly the same and nearly different, but you had to snark about that also. I'm sorry. I shouldn't interrupt when you are soberly comparing the virtues of killing a human being with the drugs you use for horses. Forgive me.
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Post by Felix2 on Dec 14, 2011 3:21:51 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but I feel I must ask this. Exactly HOW far up *your rear* is your head? We were simply discussing the difference between how horse euthanasia and human executions are nearly the same and nearly different, but you had to snark about that also. I'm sorry. I shouldn't interrupt when you are soberly comparing the virtues of killing a human being with the drugs you use for horses. Forgive me. LMAO
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Post by Katyusha on Dec 19, 2011 7:08:09 GMT -6
ok, so your point is that it is painless so its not unusual and cruel. the cruel part is, as I think, the fear of death not death itself. Also, punishment should be hurtful, meaning that a murderer should be suffering for the rest of his/her life...
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Post by oslooskar on Dec 19, 2011 13:35:01 GMT -6
ok, so your point is that it is painless so its not unusual and cruel. It wasn’t my intention to make a point. I was merely relaying information about what I had witnessed because I know there is a great deal of interest in the subject of lethal injection on this forum. Also, punishment should be hurtful, meaning that a murderer should be suffering for the rest of his/her life... Would you care to elaborate on that?
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Post by Donnie on Dec 24, 2011 8:37:18 GMT -6
I'm sorry. I shouldn't interrupt when you are soberly comparing the virtues of killing a human being with the drugs you use for horses. Forgive me. Although there can be many virtues of killing a human being, none of them were being discussed. Perhaps you should listen less to the voices in your head.
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Post by starbux on Apr 7, 2012 17:04:01 GMT -6
I don't see why there would even be a debate on lethal drugs being painful. If you had surgery before under anesthesia, you don't feel or remember a thing, until its all over. The same principles of anesthesia, I am guessing are applied here.
In fact this brings up a good point, I am kind of bothered that the death sentence looks more like having surgery then being punished. The table that they get strapped looks like commercial off the shelf operating table. I think they should have sit in a chair while its being accomplished. Of course I am a big fan of the electric chair, I think that was our best execution method.
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