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Post by Rev. Agave on Oct 21, 2011 20:56:03 GMT -6
Look, I know this probably won't happen, but this guy just effin' rocks: www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/12/2451194/fla-lawmaker-wants-to-bring-back.html BY GARY FINEOUT ASSOCIATED PRESS TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Saying it's time to stop letting convicted killers "get off that easy," a Florida state lawmaker wants to use firing squads or the electric chair for those on Death Row. Rep. Brad Drake filed a bill this week that would end the use of lethal injection in Florida executions. Instead those with a death sentence could choose between electrocution or a firing squad, under the proposal. Drake, R-Eucheeanna, said the idea came to him after having a conversation with a constituent at a DeFuniak Springs Waffle House over the legal battles associated with the Sept. 28 execution of Manuel Valle. Valle's lawyers tried to stop the execution by arguing that a new lethal drug cocktail would cause him pain and therefore constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Courts, however, rejected that argument and let the execution go forward. But Drake said a person at the restaurant questioned why Death Row inmates should even be allowed to die by lethal injection. Drake said he agreed and decided to sponsor the bill that would mandate a switch. The GOP-controlled Florida Legislature will consider the bill during the 2012 session that starts in January. He said that government is spending too much time listening to advocacy groups and instead should put in place a death sentence that forces convicted murderers to contemplate their fates. Drake said lethal injection just allows a person to die in their sleep while a firing squad or electrocution would force Death Row inmates to think about their punishment "every morning." "I think if you ask a hundred people, not even talking to criminals, how would you like to die, if you were drowned, if you were shot, and if you say you were put to sleep, 90 percent of some of the people would say I want to be put to sleep," Drake said. "Let's put our pants back on the right way." Florida first began using the electric chair in 1924. Before then, most executions were carried out by hanging. But the state switched to lethal injection in 2000. Then Gov. Jeb Bush and the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature pushed through the change after several botched electrocutions raised concerns that the state's death penalty would be declared unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court had agreed at the time to hear a challenge to the use of the electric chair. Since the state made the switch a total of 26 people have died by lethal injection, including Valle and infamous serial killers Danny Rolling and Aileen Wuornos. Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, said Drake's legislation would just cause "embarrassment" for Florida if it were adopted. "Just when you thought that public policy in Florida couldn't get worse, along comes a state rep who develops proposed legislation from what he overhears at the Waffle House," Simon said. "Given all that former members of the Florida Supreme Court and the American Bar Association have said about Florida's broken death penalty system, including the nation's highest number of exonerations, this would be embarrassing - if our legislature were capable of embarrassment." But Drake said that those who caused suffering and grief for families should get their day of reckoning. "I just don't think they should be able to get off that easy," he said.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Oct 21, 2011 21:00:24 GMT -6
Yeh, this is getting loads of local press but fat chance of it going anywhere. I am wondering if he is up for reelection.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Oct 21, 2011 21:08:52 GMT -6
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Post by Rev. Agave on Oct 21, 2011 21:21:22 GMT -6
From Representative Drake's website: braddrake.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12:representative-brad-drake-files-hb-325-relating-to-execution-of-death-sentences&catid=1:articlesreleases&Itemid=6DeFuniak Springs, Fla. – Representative Brad Drake (R-Eucheeanna) has filed HB 325 which amends Florida Statutes to only allow execution by means of electrocution or firing squad. HB 325 would remove the option for lethal injection by the executed. Said Rep. Drake, "Over the past few weeks there has been much discussion and debate regarding the effectiveness of certain medicines used as preferred method for execution. So, I say let's end the debate. We still have Old Sparky. And if that doesn't suit the criminal, then we will provide them a .45 caliber lead cocktail instead." Recently in Florida, doctors and legal experts were petitioning Governor Rick Scott to delay and or not use his executive authority to order execution by using Pentobarbital as one of the three drugs mixed into the lethal injection. They were fearful of extreme suffering of the 61 year old convicted murderer, Manuel Valle. Valle, a Cuban national, had been on death row for 33 years for killing a law enforcement officer who stopped him for a traffic infringement in Miami back in 1978. "I am sick and tired of this sensitivity movement for criminals,” Drake said. “Every time there is a warranted execution that is about to take place, some man or woman is standing on a corner holding a sign, yelling and screaming for humane treatment. However, I have no desire to humanely respect those that are inhumane.”
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Oct 22, 2011 19:06:55 GMT -6
The bill is never gonna happen, but I have to say that it was very cool of him to try to make the bill come into law.
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Post by dude on Oct 22, 2011 21:24:36 GMT -6
I can't remember any state backtracking away from LI into the more "painful" methods, at least on a mandatory basis.
I prefer a gunshot to the head for all jurisdictions. But that's me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 16:24:32 GMT -6
Needs to add language explicitly stating the protocol for proceeding with pending executions if an existing method is found unconstitutional. That was a tie-up on several states that had challenges going regarding 3-chemical lethal injections, including those that should have proceeded on schedule using electrocution.
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I agree; the sentence is death, the method is irrelevant to the sentence.
Ironically electrocution is more humane than LI anyway. If it were up to me they'd hang or be shot unless they convinced the judge they deserved a quicker and painless end.
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Post by furoraceltica on Nov 19, 2011 15:21:25 GMT -6
The advantage of electric chair or firing squad is the European Union's attempt to stop executions by banning LI chemical sales will fail
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 16:45:07 GMT -6
I never believed lethal injection was for the inmate. It was a sterile way of killing people to make witnesses feel better
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 19, 2011 17:41:27 GMT -6
I never believed lethal injection was for the inmate. It was a sterile way of killing people to make witnesses feel better I thought that was pushed over time by the antis? We could shoot them if you want?
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Nov 20, 2011 12:22:01 GMT -6
I personally think that each state should have all 5 methods (LI, Electrocution, Gas, Hanging and Firing Squad) on the books and let the inmate choose how they would want to die and if they don't choose, pick the first method ever used.
Speaking of that, which came first: hanging or shooting?
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Post by Rev. Agave on Nov 20, 2011 12:31:31 GMT -6
I personally think that each state should have all 5 methods (LI, Electrocution, Gas, Hanging and Firing Squad) on the books and let the inmate choose how they would want to die and if they don't choose, pick the first method ever used. Speaking of that, which came first: hanging or shooting? Did the victim get to choose how she was murdered? I say gas the bastards. As the potassium cyanide fills the chamber, the inmate is given a few more minutes to contemplate the wrongfulness of his crime.
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 20, 2011 13:00:31 GMT -6
Maybe we (Pro's) should purposely keep those on DR for yrs and then execute them, just in case there is no afterlife hell. If there is an afterlife hell, then antis do believe in torcher and the 2nd phase of torcher will begin in the afterlife when they finally die of natural causes, or murdered by another hands inside by another inmate whichever comes first. Antis may have a valid point there afterall. What I do not understand if prison is torcher and they are starved etc, how do they live so long and look so healthy thru their lives inside? For those who have real LWOP? Must be propaganda pics.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Nov 20, 2011 13:39:03 GMT -6
WD: Some people have been making subtle fun out of your repeated use of the word "torcher." It's spelled "torture." I just thought I would let you know that in case your misspelling of the word is unintentional
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 20, 2011 13:51:59 GMT -6
WD: Some people have been making subtle fun out of your repeated use of the word "torcher." It's spelled "torture." I just thought I would let you know that in case your misspelling of the word is unintentional Urban Dictionary" A painful chit...
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 20, 2011 15:41:18 GMT -6
WD: Some people have been making subtle fun out of your repeated use of the word "torcher." It's spelled "torture." I just thought I would let you know that in case your misspelling of the word is unintentional Prison is not "torture" execution is not torture. Prison punishment is "torcher"like a painful chit, or having a painful case of hemorrhoids daily. We do not torture'' The murderers do in many cases. Torture is medieval. burn at the stake (or set on fire), infliction of intense pain, cutting out or on parts of body, searing with hot irons. Inflicting severe pain physically and psychologically revenge on another. Prison for majority of murderers is library, gym room, TV, education class's, church, mail. letters,visit's, medical, dental, eye glass's etc which is only "torcher" a pain in the arse to them not having the best maybe or exactly what they want, knowing they will have a roof over their heads. no matter what. All at tax payer expense. Many citizens or elderly have none of those above, who never commited any crime let alone rape/murder. A murderer/rapist inside has to face other fellow inmates just like him/her daily, that is the real hell/torture also.
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Post by Californian on Nov 20, 2011 23:12:32 GMT -6
Look, I know this probably won't happen, but this guy just effin' rocks: A grandstander. And he knows it.
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Post by mel77 on Nov 21, 2011 13:26:21 GMT -6
What I do not understand if prison is torcher and they are starved etc, how do they live so long and look so healthy thru their lives inside? For those who have real LWOP? Must be propaganda pics. They look so good because of all the torcher.
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Post by mel77 on Nov 21, 2011 13:28:10 GMT -6
WD: Some awful people have been making subtle fun out of your repeated use of the word "torcher." It's spelled "torture." I just thought I would let you know that in case your misspelling of the word is unintentional You spoil sport
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 21, 2011 14:06:40 GMT -6
WD: Some awful people have been making subtle fun out of your repeated use of the word "torcher." It's spelled "torture." I just thought I would let you know that in case your misspelling of the word is unintentional You spoil sport Mel is fun to trap, she is watching my spelling, english, when she cannot win !!! lol oops it is not Mel who always calls herself a winner when all else failed it was Smart Bear Oh Mel remember, some murderers go to "prison" for 10-20yrs not kept in a jail. Actually they should be kept in a jail, jail is much harder nothing to do, no library, no time outside, only more criminals crowded together. The mattress are cotton filled meaning they get lumps. No gym etc 5 minutes to eat. Where in a prison you get 15 mins to eat. And a foam mattress To add: I am aware, we have spell check by the way. An opening to make a wisecrack Mel I'm waiting
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Post by whitediamonds on Nov 21, 2011 14:32:51 GMT -6
What I do not understand if prison is torcher and they are starved etc, how do they live so long and look so healthy thru their lives inside? For those who have real LWOP? Must be propaganda pics. They look so good because of all the torcher. Don't they !!! ;D Painful chit they go thru. Azzholeism A severe case of it !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 17:12:02 GMT -6
I personally think that each state should have all 5 methods (LI, Electrocution, Gas, Hanging and Firing Squad) on the books and let the inmate choose how they would want to die and if they don't choose, pick the first method ever used. Speaking of that, which came first: hanging or shooting? Did the victim get to choose how she was murdered? I say gas the bastards. As the potassium cyanide fills the chamber, the inmate is given a few more minutes to contemplate the wrongfulness of his crime. I disagree. I think you should force them to choose.....
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on Nov 21, 2011 18:50:22 GMT -6
I personally think that each state should have all 5 methods (LI, Electrocution, Gas, Hanging and Firing Squad) on the books and let the inmate choose how they would want to die and if they don't choose, pick the first method ever used. Speaking of that, which came first: hanging or shooting? Hanging is the oldest method of execution known to mankind.
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on Nov 21, 2011 18:51:14 GMT -6
Did the victim get to choose how she was murdered? I say gas the bastards. As the potassium cyanide fills the chamber, the inmate is given a few more minutes to contemplate the wrongfulness of his crime. I disagree. I think you should force them to choose..... I disagree. A judge or jury should choose what method to utilize. The scumbag has no right to choose anything.
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Post by Felix2 on Nov 22, 2011 3:52:20 GMT -6
You spoil sport Mel is fun to trap, she is watching my spelling, english, when she cannot win !!! lol oops it is not Mel who always calls herself a winner when all else failed it was Smart Bear Oh Mel remember, some murderers go to "prison" for 10-20yrs not kept in a jail. Actually they should be kept in a jail, jail is much harder nothing to do, no library, no time outside, only more criminals crowded together. The mattress are cotton filled meaning they get lumps. No gym etc 5 minutes to eat. Where in a prison you get 15 mins to eat. And a foam mattress To add: I am aware, we have spell check by the way. An opening to make a wisecrack Mel I'm waiting Naw you're not, you're talking bullshyte and desperately trying to anticipate and defel;ct her next comment before she makes it, or in case she does! LMAO
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Nov 22, 2011 5:02:14 GMT -6
I personally think that each state should have all 5 methods (LI, Electrocution, Gas, Hanging and Firing Squad) on the books and let the inmate choose how they would want to die and if they don't choose, pick the first method ever used. Speaking of that, which came first: hanging or shooting? Hanging is the oldest method of execution known to mankind. Along with a good old stoning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 5:50:00 GMT -6
I disagree. I think you should force them to choose..... I disagree. A judge or jury should choose what method to utilize. The scumbag has no right to choose anything. No I am not saying the inmate should have the right to choose.its not a right if it is compulsory. The right to bear arms wouldn't be a right if it were compulsory to own a gun.
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Post by oslooskar on Nov 26, 2011 11:30:52 GMT -6
Rep. Brad Drake, knows very well that his ridiculous Bill is going nowhere. He is just doing some political grandstanding for his own benefit, and nothing more.
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on Mar 3, 2012 12:39:18 GMT -6
I personally think that each state should have all 5 methods (LI, Electrocution, Gas, Hanging and Firing Squad) on the books and let the inmate choose how they would want to die and if they don't choose, pick the first method ever used. Speaking of that, which came first: hanging or shooting? I agree although it should be a judge or a jury to decide what the fate of the scumbag should be.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Mar 5, 2012 3:22:47 GMT -6
I dare the POSs to find anything wrong with all FIVE death penalty methods.
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