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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2005 13:13:34 GMT -6
kat - I agree - I have read the pleadings in her case and some of those regarding her subsequent troubles. She has to be the most psychopathological woman of any on death row. (Note that in no way am I stating she is in any way insane - her temporary volunteerism and understanding of the awfulness of her crimes in and of itself authenticated her capacity to discern right from wrong). I find this interesting not just because such behavior, at least in a woman, is statistically far, far less extant than with men, but also because her conduct raises an often ignored justification for the penalty. If there are, as Pike very arguably is, people who continually present a threat to the health and safety of their jailers and other inmates, then putting her to death is morally justified without resorting to any of the prototypical justifications of retribution, revenge, deterrence or punishment. If her state sanctioned death would likely avoid the future deaths or maimings of other innocents then, similar to the moral justifications for war, her death is an eminently moral one and the rest of the tired theoretical dancings on the head of a pin can be discarded. For those of you interested in a rare thoughtful and balanced (i.e., not insufferably completely infused with liberal propaganda) piece, read Scott Turow's (a well know novelist, writer and lawyer) short book on the death penalty. He was clearly most shaken, and the most inclined to support the death penalty, when discussing his visit to the infamous Illinois I-57 killer in TAMMS prison in So. Illinois. . He came away with doubt as to whether this killer could truly ever be effectively be quarantined to ensure the safety of his jailers and other inmates.
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Post by 4GodnCountry on Feb 18, 2006 17:01:37 GMT -6
people.smu.edu/rhalperi/updates.htmlJob Corps Killer Seeks New Trial It's been 11 years since Colleen Slemmer, a 19 year old from Orange Park, moved to Knoxville, Tennessee, to be a student at Job Corps. On January 12, 1995, Slemmer's body was found in woods near the University of Tennessee's campus. "They basically cut her over 300 times of the alphabet and carved a pentagram on her chest," says Slemmer's mother, May Martinez. Christa Pike, a student at Job Corps, was convicted and sentenced to death for killer her Job Corps classmate. 11 years later, Slemmer has never been laid to rest and Pike is still on death row but now has a new hope of getting her conviction overturned. "I just dropped the phone. I was very, very upset," says Martinez. Upset at the news of having to relive the pain of her daughter's death all over again. According to court records obtained by First Coast News, Pike wants a new trial because she says her lawyer was incompetent during the original trial. "I think it's a game to be honest. It's just another ploy for her to get her attention that she wants and what she can do to try and get off of it. Anybody that can get off death row for a week and be out in the public, of course she's gonna do it," says Martinez. She's a mother who says she has waited the last 11 years to bury her daughter. She can't because the state of Tennessee still has parts of Colleen's body, including her skull. Martinez one hope is someday soon she can finally lay her daugther to rest. "Why, why not just put her to life without parole and let this story end and let my daughter rest in peace." Prosecutors had no comment about the upcoming trial. Pike's attorney, Donald Dawson, released a statement about Pike's original attorney saying, "He didn't do it(his job), because he couldn't do it (his job), because he was too busy protecting himself." Pike heads to court on Monday, February 28, 2006. (source: First Coast News)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2006 18:24:56 GMT -6
people.smu.edu/rhalperi/updates.htmlJob Corps Killer Seeks New Trial It's been 11 years since Colleen Slemmer, a 19 year old from Orange Park, moved to Knoxville, Tennessee, to be a student at Job Corps. On January 12, 1995, Slemmer's body was found in woods near the University of Tennessee's campus. 4godncountry - I just LOVE your avatar & signature below it!! "Let Hannibal Loose on DR" <---- if only we could arrange it!
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Post by laur on Feb 18, 2006 18:48:56 GMT -6
crazy is as crazy does....
I guess she missed the day when someone handed out souls...
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Post by 4GodnCountry on Feb 19, 2006 14:39:01 GMT -6
Thanks mamabear!!! Anthony Hopkins, Harrison Ford, Sean Connery... for older, mature men they sure get me fired up!! Laura
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 19, 2006 14:45:58 GMT -6
Thanks mamabear!!! Anthony Hopkins, Harrison Ford, Sean Connery... for older, mature men they sure get me fired up!! Laura LOL see Jane? ;D ;D
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Feb 19, 2006 17:11:30 GMT -6
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Post by francesca123 on Feb 20, 2006 8:31:46 GMT -6
"A Love to Die For" by Patricia Springer. A very good book outlining the whole sordid disgusting case. Not for the weak of heart. I recommend it to some of the Anti's.
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Post by Jane on Feb 20, 2006 9:01:58 GMT -6
Hey Ems if you still have that book can i borrow it ? .
Felicks no i dont see ? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by billy on Feb 20, 2006 15:58:24 GMT -6
I too have been wondering what the status of Christa's case was. I am amazed that she is seeking a new trial. Given Tennessee's record, she can probably look forward to a life outside of prison some time in the future. Talk of wasting tax payer money ..... !!
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Post by Donnie on Feb 21, 2006 21:34:12 GMT -6
She looks like the school bully doesn't she Are you serious Joey? Talk about judging by appearences! Looks can be deceiving, but not always.
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Post by zd3925 on Feb 28, 2006 17:00:45 GMT -6
why can't they snuff her and be done with it.
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Post by billy on Mar 9, 2006 6:24:39 GMT -6
LOOKS LIKE CHRISTA WILL GET SOME MORE TIME BEFORE TENNESSEE DECIDES ON HER FATE. JUST READ THAT THE COURT HAS DECIDED TO RETURN COLLEEN SLEMMER'S REMAINS (SKULL & BONES) FOR BURIAL. SEE LINK www.volunteertv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4563008
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Post by s0ng on Mar 10, 2006 18:47:20 GMT -6
crazy is as crazy does.... I guess she missed the day when someone handed out souls... or perhaps she just grew up in another one of those filthy, non-caring families. Should her conviction be over-turned and she be released, isn't there someone that would want 'revenge' on her for this heinous crime? Or do you think society would just back away from her whenever she came around? (make sense? its been a long day)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 8:32:08 GMT -6
Hey, I'm new here but wanted to post in this thread. Christa Pike is a sicko! Her mother used to be around on the internet talking to the anti-death penalty groups. The whole case is just awful! Christa Pike is not insane either. Just evil and hopefully she will be executed before long. She has dropped her appeals at least once but has reinstated them. Wonder why they are allowed to reinstate after they drop? They shouldn't be. McVeigh wasn't allowed to reinstate was he? Gypsy
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Post by jennaleigh on Mar 16, 2006 9:08:09 GMT -6
Yes, good old Christa likes to keep us all guessing, she is in need of fan soryy i mean support mail too according to the CCADP. Yea, she's real worthy of mail. I'd like to post some of Christa's own words taken from letters she's written. "It's quite beautiful before it turns brown," - her description of blood. "I love the feel of life - then lack thereof in my hands," "And just knowing the pain I can cause after accepting so much - and they will all know it's me." "I like to see blood and brains - fatty tissues and wide open ripped flesh." "See, I have an innocent baby face, the face of an angel," "It disguises me to a lot of people." I think it's disgusting that anyone would write to her, and even more disgusting that a 'group' would encourage writing to her. Or any other blatantly obvious murderer for that matter. The sad part is that the CCADP is proud of their 'organization'.
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Post by DeadElvis on Mar 16, 2006 9:17:42 GMT -6
Hey, I'm new here but wanted to post in this thread. Christa Pike is a sicko! Her mother used to be around on the internet talking to the anti-death penalty groups. The whole case is just awful! Christa Pike is not insane either. Just evil and hopefully she will be executed before long. She has dropped her appeals at least once but has reinstated them. Wonder why they are allowed to reinstate after they drop? They shouldn't be. McVeigh wasn't allowed to reinstate was he? Gypsy good question. I thought mcveigh was gung ho for his own execution the whole time but I really don't know the details. It does seem to be to be a potential endless delaying tactic since there have to be court hearings to drop appeals and then more court hearings to reinstate. How many times can this be done? Is there a limit to the number of times they can change their mind?
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Post by DeadElvis on Mar 16, 2006 9:18:49 GMT -6
oh, and welcome to the board, gypsy.
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Post by rain on Mar 16, 2006 9:51:16 GMT -6
LOOKS LIKE CHRISTA WILL GET SOME MORE TIME BEFORE TENNESSEE DECIDES ON HER FATE. JUST READ THAT THE COURT HAS DECIDED TO RETURN COLLEEN SLEMMER'S REMAINS (SKULL & BONES) FOR BURIAL. SEE LINK www.volunteertv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4563008I understand the need for evidence if a new trial should arise but can't they use pictures, dna and other technology instead of having to hold on to the actual remains? This sounds absurd to me and I think it's awful the family could not have a proper burial till now. More abuse to the victims. Is this the norm in such cases?
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Post by Amy on Mar 16, 2006 10:23:14 GMT -6
I was under the impression that where it stands now, it was just a resumption of a second and final round of appeals. Is this not the case?
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Post by billy on Mar 28, 2006 5:27:57 GMT -6
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Post by Moonbeam on Mar 28, 2006 5:36:21 GMT -6
Interesting, thanks for the link Billy. It seems that even locked up she's a very dangerous person. Many seem to think she will be granted clemency being female and so young yet I think it makes a mockery of the DP when such a heinous crime could be committed and not have the most severe penalty.
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Post by Baltimore on Mar 28, 2006 19:47:47 GMT -6
I'm confused. If she's in appeals, those are "issues" from within the first trial. If she gets a new trial, that's from scratch. Since they've [finally!] returned Colleen Slemmer's remains, doesn't that rule out the new trial?
And another question: So, what if she does march right up to one of the other prisoners & kills them. What more could they do to her?
She is one skanky, soulless, POS. Wonder if she'll be so brave when it's her turn to walk to the death chamber.
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Post by kneedown on Mar 28, 2006 20:36:38 GMT -6
I remember watching this case on Forensic Detectives a while back, and its one that stuck in my mind, as well as my throat. I sincerely hope she gets what she deserves soon. If the crime wasnt bad enough, bragging about it lightly and saving a piece of skull (Did she use it as spoon?) show what kind of individual we are dealing with here.
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Post by happygrandmab on Apr 5, 2006 15:26:05 GMT -6
She looks like the school bully doesn't she she does. she looks like a girl i once worked with
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 6:15:39 GMT -6
I was thinking of a case I saw several years ago, but I don't know if it was the Chista's Pike's case. Maybe someone can help me out ?
I saw a case where a girl was sentenced to death by electrocution at the age of 18. She cried loudly after the verdict and said : "mommy, I love you "
She killed the victim with 2 others, one of them actually took part in the killing.
The mom of the suspected girl was also in the courtroom. Later the mom of the murderer and the mom of the victim met in person and victim's mom told that she can't wait untill the day she's ( murderer ) executed.
The to death sentenced girl later tld reporters that she deserved to be on DR and apoligized to the victim's mother
Is this the Christa Pike case or I'm I confusing this with another case ??
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Post by Moonbeam on Apr 19, 2006 6:43:01 GMT -6
As far as I know Christa Pike talked about the case with Coleen Slemmers mother May Martinez but showed no real remorse for what she did. She cried throughout the trial but that proves nothing other than she was sorry to be caught.
Letters she wrote from prison that were intercepted proved she felt no remorse other than for her own situation. So I think you are confusing the case with some other.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 7:01:04 GMT -6
As far as I know Christa Pike talked about the case with Coleen Slemmers mother May Martinez but showed no real remorse for what she did. She cried throughout the trial but that proves nothing other than she was sorry to be caught. Letters she wrote from prison that were intercepted proved she felt no remorse other than for her own situation. So I think you are confusing the case with some other. Thanx for your answer, moonbeam. I've been searching for pictues of Christa Pike and yes it's the girl I saw in that program. But she was sentenced to be electrocuted, but I dind't know that TN had the Electric Chair. Christa was 18 at the time of sentence and I don't know any other 18 year old females sentenced to death. The girl I saw in that program was also 18 years old, and she definitely looks to be Christa Pike. She apologized to victim's mother in a video message. The mother of the victim and the mother of Christa were both watching, the mother of the victim didn't forgive Christa. but i'm still not 100% sure, do you know a link where we can see all the 18 yo females sentenced to death ?
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Post by DeadElvis on Apr 19, 2006 7:11:59 GMT -6
As far as I know Christa Pike talked about the case with Coleen Slemmers mother May Martinez but showed no real remorse for what she did. She cried throughout the trial but that proves nothing other than she was sorry to be caught. Letters she wrote from prison that were intercepted proved she felt no remorse other than for her own situation. So I think you are confusing the case with some other. Thanx for your answer, moonbeam. I've been searching for pictues of Christa Pike and yes it's the girl I saw in that program. But she was sentenced to be electrocuted, but I dind't know that TN had the Electric Chair. Christa was 18 at the time of sentence and I don't know any other 18 year old females sentenced to death. The girl I saw in that program was also 18 years old, and she definitely looks to be Christa Pike. She apologized to victim's mother in a video message. The mother of the victim and the mother of Christa were both watching, the mother of the victim didn't forgive Christa. but i'm still not 100% sure, do you know a link where we can see all the 18 yo females sentenced to death ? You know, Pike may well have stated at one time that she deserved to die as she attempted to waive all appeals but went back on that as soon as she won the right to do so in court. Actual remorse is a non-measurable thing. Talented actors can display any emotion they wish and be convincing to most folks. I also think that she will probably say that, if she could go back in time, she would not have killed that girl. Is that remorse or is that wishing one's circumstances were different given the 20/20 hindsight knowledge? I'm sure Pike is sorry she is where she is at now. She actually managed to add several years to her DR stay with her little " I wanna drop my appeals/oops, no I don't" stunt. Fortunately, she is an idiot and NOT a talented actor. Her letters from DR and a taped phone conversation from DR clearly demonstrated her flippant attitude about her victim and the crime itself.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 7:23:29 GMT -6
Thanx for your answer, moonbeam. I've been searching for pictues of Christa Pike and yes it's the girl I saw in that program. But she was sentenced to be electrocuted, but I dind't know that TN had the Electric Chair. Christa was 18 at the time of sentence and I don't know any other 18 year old females sentenced to death. The girl I saw in that program was also 18 years old, and she definitely looks to be Christa Pike. She apologized to victim's mother in a video message. The mother of the victim and the mother of Christa were both watching, the mother of the victim didn't forgive Christa. but i'm still not 100% sure, do you know a link where we can see all the 18 yo females sentenced to death ? You know, Pike may well have stated at one time that she deserved to die as she attempted to waive all appeals but went back on that as soon as she won the right to do so in court. Actual remorse is a non-measurable thing. Talented actors can display any emotion they wish and be convincing to most folks. I also think that she will probably say that, if she could go back in time, she would not have killed that girl. Is that remorse or is that wishing one's circumstances were different given the 20/20 hindsight knowledge? I'm sure Pike is sorry she is where she is at now. She actually managed to add several years to her DR stay with her little " I wanna drop my appeals/oops, no I don't" stunt. Fortunately, she is an idiot and NOT a talented actor. Her letters from DR and a taped phone conversation from DR clearly demonstrated her flippant attitude about her victim and the crime itself. DE, maybe you can help me out. Did TN have the electric chair at the time that Christa was sentenced. If not, than I am talking about another case because the girl I saw in that program was sentenced to be electrocuted. But the picture of Christa looks the same as in that program I saw, but remember, I saw that program years ago. Talented actors can fool most people, but they can't fool a lie detector combined with psychologists. To me, there's nobody that can pass the two when used at the same time. I'm currently also reading the christa Case on this website of pro dreathP and I'm almost 100% sure that I was talking about Christa. There are similarities: a ) girls b ) Crying in the court room c ) sentenced to death at age of 18 I don't believe Christa when she'd tell that if she could go back in time that she would not have killed Colleen, however, I don't believe she should die.
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