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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 2:38:24 GMT -6
I have found several instances of pros on this board advocating the death penalty for the crime of killing puppies. The following exchange was a particularly good one, since the pro advocates executing children for that crime. It started off with an incident wherein a pair of young people including one 17 year old killed a puppy in a pretty inhumane way. 1st PRO: 17 shouldn't see 18
2nd PRO: I'm with you on that
3rd PRO: I'm for that. Anyone that harms animals is sick and perverted. It wouldn't bother me a bit to set his *ss on fire at least.
1st PRO: it should be the law, and i'd be proud to pull the switch.
1st PRO: for the record, the same applies to the five kids, 9-13 who set the dog on fire here last month
UNPOPULAR ANTI: So you'd like to "pull the switch" on a 9 year old child because he killed a dog? Oh dear.....you are a very silly person aren't you? Woof woof.
1st PRO: i never say anything that i don't mean. like i said, anyone who would set a dog on fire would set you on fire Interesting huh? Let's give ourselves a reality check. Here's the google image page for the phrase 9 year old: www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=9+year+old&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1536&bih=930Can you imagine one of those strapped to the gurney with a needle in his or her arm? Our friendly pros suggest killing one of the above for harming an animal. Y'know, those things we eat when we go here: You know how many pros condemned these sick and twisted opinions? You guessed it. NONE. But here's your chance. Condemn it here. Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. Y'all would execute anyone, of any age, for anything.
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Post by Lauren on Jan 4, 2011 8:21:11 GMT -6
Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. Y'all would execute anyone, of any age, for anything. I don't understand. How is a murderer a victim? Because that is what you are saying. Your topic thread is pros don't care about murdered victims, but then your body post talks about murderers who get punished for the crimes they committed (yes, torturing animals is a crime), and then you go back to saying we don't care about murder victims, and you finish it off with we would execute anyone at any age. I don't understand what you are saying, unless the murder victims you are referring to are the people who are murderers themselves. A little clarity will help me understand. Also, FYI, I would NOT execute a 9yr old for a heinous crime. I would lock them up until they are an adult...and then execute them.
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Post by Big Al on Jan 4, 2011 9:15:46 GMT -6
I have found several instances of pros on this board advocating the death penalty for the crime of killing puppies. The following exchange was a particularly good one, since the pro advocates executing children for that crime. It started off with an incident wherein a pair of young people including one 17 year old killed a puppy in a pretty inhumane way. 1st PRO: 17 shouldn't see 18
2nd PRO: I'm with you on that
3rd PRO: I'm for that. Anyone that harms animals is sick and perverted. It wouldn't bother me a bit to set his *ss on fire at least.
1st PRO: it should be the law, and i'd be proud to pull the switch.
1st PRO: for the record, the same applies to the five kids, 9-13 who set the dog on fire here last month
UNPOPULAR ANTI: So you'd like to "pull the switch" on a 9 year old child because he killed a dog? Oh dear.....you are a very silly person aren't you? Woof woof.
1st PRO: i never say anything that i don't mean. like i said, anyone who would set a dog on fire would set you on fire Interesting huh? Let's give ourselves a reality check. Here's the google image page for the phrase 9 year old: www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=9+year+old&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1536&bih=930Can you imagine one of those strapped to the gurney with a needle in his or her arm? Our friendly pros suggest killing one of the above for harming an animal. Y'know, those things we eat when we go here: You know how many pros condemned these sick and twisted opinions? You guessed it. NONE. But here's your chance. Condemn it here. Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. Y'all would execute anyone, of any age, for anything. It would be a cold day in hell that I executed a 9 year old. Much less for killing and even torturing a dog. Whoever said that is dead wrong and should, well, um, be shot? ;D Although they (doggie killers) should be punished pretty harshly and forced to attend some counseling on the matter.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jan 4, 2011 9:24:55 GMT -6
Any kid who tortures a puppy to death should promptly be taken to the pediatric wing of the hospital and "put down."
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jan 4, 2011 9:28:48 GMT -6
I have found several instances of pros on this board advocating the death penalty for the crime of killing puppies. The following exchange was a particularly good one, since the pro advocates executing children for that crime. It started off with an incident wherein a pair of young people including one 17 year old killed a puppy in a pretty inhumane way. 1st PRO: 17 shouldn't see 18
2nd PRO: I'm with you on that
3rd PRO: I'm for that. Anyone that harms animals is sick and perverted. It wouldn't bother me a bit to set his *ss on fire at least.
1st PRO: it should be the law, and i'd be proud to pull the switch.
1st PRO: for the record, the same applies to the five kids, 9-13 who set the dog on fire here last month
UNPOPULAR ANTI: So you'd like to "pull the switch" on a 9 year old child because he killed a dog? Oh dear.....you are a very silly person aren't you? Woof woof.
1st PRO: i never say anything that i don't mean. like i said, anyone who would set a dog on fire would set you on fire Interesting huh? Let's give ourselves a reality check. Here's the google image page for the phrase 9 year old: www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=9+year+old&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1536&bih=930Can you imagine one of those strapped to the gurney with a needle in his or her arm? Our friendly pros suggest killing one of the above for harming an animal. Y'know, those things we eat when we go here: You know how many pros condemned these sick and twisted opinions? You guessed it. NONE. But here's your chance. Condemn it here. Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. Y'all would execute anyone, of any age, for anything. It would be a cold day in hell that I executed a 9 year old. Much less for killing and even torturing a dog. Whoever said that is dead wrong and should, well, um, be shot? ;D Although they (doggie killers) should be punished pretty harshly and forced to attend some counseling on the matter. My brother, when you hear of some kid torturing a puppy to death, you must ask yourself "is this really someone I want to grow into an adult and possibly live next door to me?"
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Post by ltdc on Jan 4, 2011 9:30:00 GMT -6
Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. actually nobody gives a whit for your pathetic attempts to make yourself look oh sooooo "moral" by trying to equate real murderers with nine year olds.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jan 4, 2011 9:32:52 GMT -6
But I'd at least give the young POS a decent last meal first. I'd even let him play Xbox on his last day, and let his mom hold his hand when the pentobarbital is administered.
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Post by RFisher on Jan 4, 2011 9:47:03 GMT -6
I'm a pro and dearly love our three Collie girls as our three "four legged children" and also love many other animals. A little over a year ago, a gorilla goon charged his wrecker truck 35 yards up our driveway before slamming on his brakes just in time that he did not run over our oldest Collie girl who was close to me by the house. I honestly don't know what I would have done to him had he run her over and crippled or killed her. I would not have gotten a gun and shot him, but I may have beaten him half to death had he done that. I probably would not have deliberately killed him, though.
Even as horrible a crime as it is to kill or torture animals without due cause, I could never go along with seeking the Death Penalty for those who did it. I remember when we were discussing Michael Vick's death camp for fighting dogs. He admitted to personally hanging, shooting and drowning gentle dogs that would not fight and having the meaner dogs kill the gentle dogs for "practice." As horrified and infuriated as I still am with Michael Vick for having done that, I could not morally argue for the use of the Death Penalty as a punishment for Vick's evil deeds.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jan 4, 2011 10:05:13 GMT -6
www.newser.com/story/2381/portis-defends-vick-on-dog-fighting.htmlEven if Michael Vick held stake in a dog fighting ring in rural Virginia, said Redskins running back Clinton Portis to a local television station, it's not a big deal. The embattled Atlanta signal caller owned property on which scarred dogs and dog fighting paraphernalia were discovered during a drug raid weeks ago. He has since sold the property.
Portis believes that Vick should have the right to sponsor dog fights, opining, "It can't be too bad of a crime." He added: "I know a lot of back roads that have the dog fighting if you want to go see it."
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Post by RFisher on Jan 4, 2011 10:09:09 GMT -6
www.newser.com/story/2381/portis-defends-vick-on-dog-fighting.htmlEven if Michael Vick held stake in a dog fighting ring in rural Virginia, said Redskins running back Clinton Portis to a local television station, it's not a big deal. The embattled Atlanta signal caller owned property on which scarred dogs and dog fighting paraphernalia were discovered during a drug raid weeks ago. He has since sold the property.
Portis believes that Vick should have the right to sponsor dog fights, opining, "It can't be too bad of a crime." He added: "I know a lot of back roads that have the dog fighting if you want to go see it." You notice Portis NEVER gave information on any other dog fighting places he so casually mentioned could be found or worse, how he knew of them?
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Jan 4, 2011 10:13:38 GMT -6
Also, FYI, I would NOT execute a 9yr old for a heinous crime. I would lock them up until they are an adult...and then execute them. Playing the waiting-game for years and years? I mean you could feed him hormones to speed up adolescence. Thinking about the taxpayers, you know.
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Post by RFisher on Jan 4, 2011 10:24:00 GMT -6
Even before the USSC ruled that no one under 18 could be executed, the lowest I would have ever gone was 16 and then only in extremely rare cases. If someone was considered mature enough to operate a 2,000 lb. plus killing machine (automobile) then they could have been mature enough for the DP. I have also argued that 17 year olds are certainly considered mature enough to fight and kill in the Armed Forces so that age applied. However, it is all a moot point with the USSC's recent decision.
Modified to say: When I went through Marine Corps Boot Camp in 1971, I was just BARELY over 18 by only a week. I thought I would be one of the youngest, but I was older than half my recruit platoon of 84 recruits.
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Post by phatkat on Jan 4, 2011 11:16:42 GMT -6
I have found several instances of pros on this board advocating the death penalty for the crime of killing puppies. The following exchange was a particularly good one, since the pro advocates executing children for that crime. It started off with an incident wherein a pair of young people including one 17 year old killed a puppy in a pretty inhumane way. 1st PRO: 17 shouldn't see 18
2nd PRO: I'm with you on that
3rd PRO: I'm for that. Anyone that harms animals is sick and perverted. It wouldn't bother me a bit to set his *ss on fire at least.
1st PRO: it should be the law, and i'd be proud to pull the switch.
1st PRO: for the record, the same applies to the five kids, 9-13 who set the dog on fire here last month
UNPOPULAR ANTI: So you'd like to "pull the switch" on a 9 year old child because he killed a dog? Oh dear.....you are a very silly person aren't you? Woof woof.
1st PRO: i never say anything that i don't mean. like i said, anyone who would set a dog on fire would set you on fire Interesting huh? Let's give ourselves a reality check. Here's the google image page for the phrase 9 year old: www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=9+year+old&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1536&bih=930Can you imagine one of those strapped to the gurney with a needle in his or her arm? Our friendly pros suggest killing one of the above for harming an animal. Y'know, those things we eat when we go here: You know how many pros condemned these sick and twisted opinions? You guessed it. NONE. But here's your chance. Condemn it here. Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. Y'all would execute anyone, of any age, for anything. It would be a cold day in hell that I executed a 9 year old. Much less for killing and even torturing a dog. Whoever said that is dead wrong and should, well, um, be shot? ;D Although they (doggie killers) should be punished pretty harshly and forced to attend some counseling on the matter. The parents should be forced to attend counseling as well. They probably need it more than the kid. I've worked with kids who hurt animals (including one who killed a guinea pig and attempted to drown a puppy) and almost all of them have experienced some sort of parental abuse or neglect. The guinea pig killer was removed from dad's custody and, I hear, is doing much better. I tried to work with the parents but they couldn't understand how much they managed to eff the kid up. The one kid I can think of that wasn't abused and hurt animals (nothing major) is autistic and has some empathy issues.
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Post by RFisher on Jan 4, 2011 11:43:16 GMT -6
The parents should be forced to attend counseling as well. They probably need it more than the kid. I've worked with kids who hurt animals (including one who killed a guinea pig and attempted to drown a puppy) and almost all of them have experienced some sort of parental abuse or neglect. The guinea pig killer was removed from dad's custody and, I hear, is doing much better. I tried to work with the parents but they couldn't understand how much they managed to eff the kid up. The one kid I can think of that wasn't abused and hurt animals (nothing major) is autistic and has some empathy issues. It is apparent you have not had your own children yet. Our boy decided it "would be neat" one time to tie a hangman's knot and see how it worked on our cat. I think he was about 9 years old, if I remember correctly. He certainly was never abused nor did he have anything but the best examples of how to treat pets from my Lady and I. However, some of his friends had done things similar and that's where he got the idea. No need to "counsel" that lad nor us because we dealt with it properly and he never did anything like that again. Though there was incidents about the kids throwing rocks at each other My Lady and I will never forget, though.......... I've also known other children where their kids did something foolish or stupid like that and they dealt with it properly themselves. Now, I'm not saying that Animal Control officers should not ALSO check out the parents when there are cases of juveniles doing harm to animals, but I would not go along with forced counseling when the parents have not been abusive.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jan 4, 2011 12:26:25 GMT -6
I've never understood animal torture. It seems to me that if you are going to torture something, it should be a person who either a) did you wrong, or b) has information that you want that the person does not want to give you.
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 14:31:31 GMT -6
Fisher is right. Animal torture is common among male children, from throwing stones at squirrels to torturing frogs to death. It's not good but it's not uncommon either. Humans aren't born knowing which animals are sacred (puppies and kittens) and which animals can be hung upside down by their legs while we slit their throats (pigs and cows). This knowledge has to be learned.
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 14:33:33 GMT -6
Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. Y'all would execute anyone, of any age, for anything. I don't understand. How is a murderer a victim? Because that is what you are saying. Your topic thread is pros don't care about murdered victims, but then your body post talks about murderers who get punished for the crimes they committed (yes, torturing animals is a crime), and then you go back to saying we don't care about murder victims, and you finish it off with we would execute anyone at any age. I don't understand what you are saying, unless the murder victims you are referring to are the people who are murderers themselves. A little clarity will help me understand. Also, FYI, I would NOT execute a 9yr old for a heinous crime. I would lock them up until they are an adult...and then execute them. ? We're not supposed to accuse people of not being bright on this board are we? So what is the proper reaction to a post like this? Mods?
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 14:34:30 GMT -6
Any kid who tortures a puppy to death should promptly be taken to the pediatric wing of the hospital and "put down." Thank you troll.
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 14:39:18 GMT -6
Otherwise admit that you don't give a whit for murder victims. actually nobody gives a whit for your pathetic attempts to make yourself look oh sooooo "moral" by trying to equate real murderers with nine year olds. I didn't equate them. You pros did. In case you're having reading difficulties again, it's the pros in the exchange I am quoting who favor executing children for puppy murder. Most of them approve of executing a 17 year old - a legal child - for puppy killing, and one of them endorses executing 9 year olds for it. Do you condemn these views held by your fellow pros? If not, then you either lack integrity, backbone or intelligence, or some combination.
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Post by Lauren on Jan 4, 2011 14:54:40 GMT -6
? We're not supposed to accuse people of not being bright on this board are we? So what is the proper reaction to a post like this? Mods? I don't think murderers are victims. How does that make me an idiot?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 15:02:30 GMT -6
I would assume that the pros under discussion were both shocked and horrified by the brutality that the 17 year old subjected a baby dog to and as a result, prompted the angered responses pertaining to executing the teen. Sometimes when people are absolutely outraged they will say things in the heat of the moment that they may not necessarily agree should happen or want to see happen. I am thinking this is more the case here rather than something that the parties under decision earnestly think should happen.
While I think there should be heavy consequences for animal torture, in addition, counseling, I would not agree with anyone that feels it should be a capital offense. I am willing to bet that the ones under discussion do not agree it should be a capital offense either, and perhaps they may like to come forward add their two cents into this thread.
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 15:18:35 GMT -6
? We're not supposed to accuse people of not being bright on this board are we? So what is the proper reaction to a post like this? Mods? I don't think murderers are victims. How does that make me an idiot? Because you think being a puppy killer makes you a murderer. Also, as a bonus piece of idiocy, because you think that we should wait until the 9 year old turns 18 then execute them for what they did when they were 9. Proving that your distaste for executing 9 year olds is not based upon their inability to be held fully accountable for their decisions, but on the fact that they just look too darn cute.
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 15:20:26 GMT -6
I would assume that the pros under discussion were both shocked and horrified by the brutality that the 17 year old subjected a baby dog to and as a result, prompted the angered responses pertaining to executing the teen. Sometimes when people are absolutely outraged they will say things in the heat of the moment that they may not necessarily agree should happen or want to see happen. I am thinking this is more the case here rather than something that the parties under decision earnestly think should happen. While I think there should be heavy consequences for animal torture, in addition, counseling, I would not agree with anyone that feels it should be a capital offense. I am willing to bet that the ones under discussion do not agree it should be a capital offense either, and perhaps they may like to come forward add their two cents into this thread. The conversation went of after the part where I quoted, and the pro didn't alter or amend the view. Moreover, these pros, and others besides, reiterated their positions on other threads. So I don't think this was in the heat of the moment, though I admit that pros often express such sick views that you have to try to believe that they don't mean it.
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Post by ltdc on Jan 4, 2011 17:48:54 GMT -6
actually nobody gives a whit for your pathetic attempts to make yourself look oh sooooo "moral" by trying to equate real murderers with nine year olds. I didn't equate them. yeah, you did.
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 18:10:22 GMT -6
What's needed now is not a new argument from me, but a first grade reading teacher for you.
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Post by ltdc on Jan 4, 2011 18:22:18 GMT -6
What's needed now is not a new argument from me, but a first grade reading teacher for you. yes thank you, spare me your idea of an argument
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Post by honkybouffant on Jan 4, 2011 18:29:25 GMT -6
What's needed now is not a new argument from me, but a first grade reading teacher for you. yes thank you, spare me your idea of an argument I am glad you agree. You'll like my arguments more when that first grade teacher does her magic.
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Post by phatkat on Jan 4, 2011 20:16:14 GMT -6
The parents should be forced to attend counseling as well. They probably need it more than the kid. I've worked with kids who hurt animals (including one who killed a guinea pig and attempted to drown a puppy) and almost all of them have experienced some sort of parental abuse or neglect. The guinea pig killer was removed from dad's custody and, I hear, is doing much better. I tried to work with the parents but they couldn't understand how much they managed to eff the kid up. The one kid I can think of that wasn't abused and hurt animals (nothing major) is autistic and has some empathy issues. It is apparent you have not had your own children yet. Our boy decided it "would be neat" one time to tie a hangman's knot and see how it worked on our cat. I think he was about 9 years old, if I remember correctly. He certainly was never abused nor did he have anything but the best examples of how to treat pets from my Lady and I. However, some of his friends had done things similar and that's where he got the idea. No need to "counsel" that lad nor us because we dealt with it properly and he never did anything like that again. Though there was incidents about the kids throwing rocks at each other My Lady and I will never forget, though.......... I've also known other children where their kids did something foolish or stupid like that and they dealt with it properly themselves. Now, I'm not saying that Animal Control officers should not ALSO check out the parents when there are cases of juveniles doing harm to animals, but I would not go along with forced counseling when the parents have not been abusive. I was talking about actually torturing and murdering animals, beyond the typical kids getting bored and wondering what would happen if they did X to little Fluffy. I'm speaking as a therapist who works with kids with severe behavioral issues, not as a parent who will (hopefully) have kids who exhibit pretty typical kid behavior.
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Post by RFisher on Jan 4, 2011 21:48:37 GMT -6
It is apparent you have not had your own children yet. Our boy decided it "would be neat" one time to tie a hangman's knot and see how it worked on our cat. I think he was about 9 years old, if I remember correctly. He certainly was never abused nor did he have anything but the best examples of how to treat pets from my Lady and I. However, some of his friends had done things similar and that's where he got the idea. No need to "counsel" that lad nor us because we dealt with it properly and he never did anything like that again. Though there was incidents about the kids throwing rocks at each other My Lady and I will never forget, though.......... I've also known other children where their kids did something foolish or stupid like that and they dealt with it properly themselves. Now, I'm not saying that Animal Control officers should not ALSO check out the parents when there are cases of juveniles doing harm to animals, but I would not go along with forced counseling when the parents have not been abusive. I was talking about actually torturing and murdering animals, beyond the typical kids getting bored and wondering what would happen if they did X to little Fluffy. I'm speaking as a therapist who works with kids with severe behavioral issues, not as a parent who will (hopefully) have kids who exhibit pretty typical kid behavior. Glad you explained that more fully. However, in the case of our boy, he about had the cat hung dead when we stopped him. After that, she never went close to him again and I didn't blame her. As HonkyB attested, doing those things to animals is not uncommon at all and if allowed to go on - will result in the kid doing ever worse things. If both parents work and the babysitter doesn't realize it goes on, it will get worse to much worse. So even in cases of prolonged or extensive animal torture, it will often not be the case of abusive parents in the general population - but more often in the case both parents are absent too much of the child's day.
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Post by Lauren on Jan 4, 2011 22:26:40 GMT -6
Because you think being a puppy killer makes you a murderer. I never said that killing a puppy makes a person a murderer. I said that purposely killing a puppy is a crime, and the person, however old they are, whether it be 9 or 17, will be punished for it. No government would execute a child. The DP would be abolished faster then you leaving this forum. However, there is nothing against the government imprisoning a child until they are no longer a child. At 9yrs old I knew right from wrong. If I were a person of power, and the crime was heinous, I would lock them away until they are eligible for the DP. Kind of like how you have to be 18 to be eligible to enlist in the war.
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