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Post by hazel on Sept 12, 2005 17:06:53 GMT -6
Will they or wont they. Id say they will.
She must be near the end of the line for the people who can help her out before her execution on Wednesday.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Sept 12, 2005 17:08:40 GMT -6
Pancuronium bromide....check.... Diaper....check....
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Post by hazel on Sept 12, 2005 17:15:06 GMT -6
Pancuronium bromide....check.... Diaper....check.... Eugh I must ask something that ive wanted to know Does anyone know why they bandage up the inmates hands during the executions?? Its puzzled me for awhile so just gotta ask now.
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Post by bryan on Sept 12, 2005 17:16:40 GMT -6
Eugh I must ask something that ive wanted to know Does anyone know why they bandage up the inmates hands during the executions?? Its puzzled me for awhile so just gotta ask now. yea i always wondered why they use alcohol to swab the guys arm befor the insert the needle myself
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Post by Rev. Agave on Sept 12, 2005 17:18:42 GMT -6
Eugh I must ask something that ive wanted to know Does anyone know why they bandage up the inmates hands during the executions?? Its puzzled me for awhile so just gotta ask now. yea i always wondered why they use alcohol to swab the guys arm befor the insert the needle myself They swab the guy's arm so someone can't argue that executions are unsterile and unconstitutional.
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Post by RickZ on Sept 12, 2005 17:24:18 GMT -6
I must ask something that ive wanted to know Does anyone know why they bandage up the inmates hands during the executions?? Its puzzled me for awhile so just gotta ask now. To be honest, I've never heard of this. At least when it comes to American executions.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 12, 2005 17:28:59 GMT -6
They swab the guy's arm so someone can't argue that executions are unsterile and unconstitutional. That has to be in jest, Erick. The swabbing of the condemned's arm is farcical.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Sept 12, 2005 17:29:00 GMT -6
I must ask something that ive wanted to know Does anyone know why they bandage up the inmates hands during the executions?? Its puzzled me for awhile so just gotta ask now. To be honest, I've never heard of this. At least when it comes to American executions. I have heard of it. I have no clue why they do that.
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Post by aka on Sept 12, 2005 17:29:24 GMT -6
Eugh I must ask something that ive wanted to know Does anyone know why they bandage up the inmates hands during the executions?? Its puzzled me for awhile so just gotta ask now. yea i always wondered why they use alcohol to swab the guys arm befor the insert the needle myself I thought it was so that the needle goes in easier and not for sterilizing purposes.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 12, 2005 17:33:19 GMT -6
Pancuronium bromide....check.... Diaper....check.... Potassium chloride....check....
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Post by bryan on Sept 12, 2005 17:39:19 GMT -6
yea i always wondered why they use alcohol to swab the guys arm befor the insert the needle myself They swab the guy's arm so someone can't argue that executions are unsterile and unconstitutional. yes, they dont want him to get a infection
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Post by blakely on Sept 12, 2005 17:45:23 GMT -6
They swab the guy's arm so someone can't argue that executions are unsterile and unconstitutional. That has to be in jest, Erick. The swabbing of the condemned's arm is farcical. No, I suspect he's correct. And hey, one little alcohol swab to avoid a delay seems wise to me.
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Post by blakely on Sept 12, 2005 17:47:24 GMT -6
Do they bandage their hands? Does someone have a photo? Are you sure that it isn't a restraint in order to keep them from pulling out the IV?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2005 22:27:15 GMT -6
The reason they swab is because we have compromised the medical profession with criminal justice. Execution should never be confused with medical care. There is nothing inhumane with firing squads, hangings or electrocutions but it is perverse to use lethal injections for criminals with all the attendant medical assistance when we refuse to allow the same procedures for the suffering terminally ill innocent who ask for relief.
The means of execution for capital crimes does not have to be "cruel or unsual" to be distinct from medical procedures.
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Post by sweethonesty on Sept 12, 2005 22:58:53 GMT -6
ahhhh I'm glad it was denied! thats great news!
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Post by bryan on Sept 13, 2005 5:07:37 GMT -6
THE LATESTWith their client's execution looming, Frances Newton's lawyers Monday penned a letter asking Gov. Rick Perry for a 30-day stay to try to prove that authorities erred in linking her to a presumed murder weapon. Testimony that Newton ditched the .25-caliber "Saturday night special" miles from the family apartment in which her husband and two young children were killed in 1987 was key to her conviction. The appeal to Perry — who granted a 120-day stay in December so that evidence, including the murder pistol, could again be tested — was made after Newton's attempt to escape execution suffered defeats at the federal and state levels. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday refused to stop the execution and the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles voted 7-0 not to recommend that Perry commute the sentence to life in prison. www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3351039
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Post by hazel on Sept 13, 2005 6:45:55 GMT -6
THE LATESTWith their client's execution looming, Frances Newton's lawyers Monday penned a letter asking Gov. Rick Perry for a 30-day stay to try to prove that authorities erred in linking her to a presumed murder weapon. Testimony that Newton ditched the .25-caliber "Saturday night special" miles from the family apartment in which her husband and two young children were killed in 1987 was key to her conviction. The appeal to Perry — who granted a 120-day stay in December so that evidence, including the murder pistol, could again be tested — was made after Newton's attempt to escape execution suffered defeats at the federal and state levels. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday refused to stop the execution and the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles voted 7-0 not to recommend that Perry commute the sentence to life in prison. www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3351039 She wont get a stay or a delay of execution. Shes already had one and from what i can gather there aint no new evidence to support her claim that shes innocent. Therefore the first execution of a black woman in donkeys years will go ahead as planned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2005 6:51:58 GMT -6
Correct me, if I am wrong. They appealed to the Surpreme Court. O'Connor and Rehnquist are no longer on that court, so we could have a 4-3 decision for a stay.
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Post by aka on Sept 13, 2005 7:22:46 GMT -6
Correct me, if I am wrong. They appealed to the Surpreme Court. O'Connor and Rehnquist are no longer on that court, so we could have a 4-3 decision for a stay. I think O'Connor is going to serve till her replacement is confirmed (not sure though). This would mean that we might end up with a 4-4 tie.
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Post by blakely on Sept 13, 2005 8:48:43 GMT -6
Yes, O'Connor stated she's gone when her replacement shows up. Hopefully, it will be before the beginning of the October term. As far as votes, Newton doesn't have the type of issues that the USSC would hear. Of course, Stevens will vote for cert., but I'll be surprised on how many of the others will.
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Post by Felix2 on Sept 13, 2005 8:51:36 GMT -6
Frances Newton will be executed soon so what is all the fuss about? She is a cold blooded killer who is about to be put down like the previous 990 killers. I have noticed it happening time and time again. Several weeks before their execution date opponents of the death penalty start screaming \"innocent\". Are they for real or what? In the case of Newton opponents claim that not only is Newton innocent but Newton is also \"Black\". A judge and jury convicted Newton of killing her husband and two children for insurance money. Her appeals have all been denied. What sort of woman kills her own flesh and blood for insurance money? Innocent and Black? My A** "Opponents claim not only that she is innocent but is also black." Just to put this to rest dannie, whilst I believe she may well be guilty, I have seen her picture and their claims that she is black are reasonable!
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Post by snowy111 on Sept 13, 2005 11:05:39 GMT -6
Correct me, if I am wrong. They appealed to the Surpreme Court. O'Connor and Rehnquist are no longer on that court, so we could have a 4-3 decision for a stay. I think O'Connor is going to serve till her replacement is confirmed (not sure though). This would mean that we might end up with a 4-4 tie. If it's a 4-4 tie it goes ahead as planned.
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Post by aka on Sept 13, 2005 11:29:28 GMT -6
I think O'Connor is going to serve till her replacement is confirmed (not sure though). This would mean that we might end up with a 4-4 tie. If it's a 4-4 tie it goes ahead as planned. That seems unfair to me.
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Post by bryan on Sept 13, 2005 11:31:25 GMT -6
If it's a 4-4 tie it goes ahead as planned. That seems unfair to me. well send a letter to William Rehnquist and complain
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Post by aka on Sept 13, 2005 11:58:34 GMT -6
well send a letter to William Rehnquist and complain ha! ha! i like your sarcasm, bryan. should i just slip it into his coffin or burn it with incense and hope it reaches him in heaven? seriously though, it seems odd and unfair that should the sc divide 4-4 on a matter of life and death, the execution should proceed. but as blakely pointed out, they are going to deny cert so it is a non-issue in this case.
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Post by bryan on Sept 13, 2005 12:43:27 GMT -6
well send a letter to William Rehnquist and complain ha! ha! i like your sarcasm, bryan. should i just slip it into his coffin or burn it with incense and hope it reaches him in heaven? seriously though, it seems odd and unfair that should the sc divide 4-4 on a matter of life and death, the execution should proceed. but as blakely pointed out, they are going to deny cert so it is a non-issue in this case. well its pretty much over and been over...the SC aint gonna change anything now, so shes as good as dead unless perry grants her a 30 day stay
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Post by blakely on Sept 13, 2005 12:55:10 GMT -6
You need four justices to agree to grant cert. It doesn't matter if 5 say no. This is to prevent the majority from deciding what cases will be reviewed. [And they say this isn't a great country. :)]
For an opinion, I've never seen a tie. The job of the Chief Justice is to urge a consensus in at least part. Also, you will notice that they will concur and dissent to different sections of the opinion. It really can be quite confusing to us non-euroweenies. :p
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2005 13:37:35 GMT -6
Yes, O'Connor stated she's gone when her replacement shows up. Hopefully, it will be before the beginning of the October term. As far as votes, Newton doesn't have the type of issues that the USSC would hear. Of course, Stevens will vote for cert., but I'll be surprised on how many of the others will. I think Stevens and Bader will vote for a review. About the others I am not sure. We'll see...
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Post by snowy111 on Sept 13, 2005 13:38:55 GMT -6
You need four justices to agree to grant cert. It doesn't matter if 5 say no. This is to prevent the majority from deciding what cases will be reviewed. [And they say this isn't a great country. ] For an opinion, I've never seen a tie. That's part of the job of the Chief Justice, to urge a consensus in at least part. Also, you will notice that they will concur and dissent to different sections of the opinion. It really can be quite confusing to us non-euroweenies. I always thought in the case of 8 justices if tied the ruling was upheld. Like in the case of not executing people who committed crimes as minors, if it had been tied 4-4 the ruling would have stayed. Am I wrong? What if it happens that the USSC votes 4-4 to grant a stay? Will she get a stay?
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Post by blakely on Sept 13, 2005 13:53:45 GMT -6
By stay, I believe you mean when they grant cert. If 4 justices grant cert, it does not matter that 5 justices oppose it -- cert is granted.
As to opinions, I believe you are right, but again, I can't find a situation where that has happened. The job of the ussc is to provide guidance to the lower courts and tie votes just don't accomplish that.
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