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Post by moretoasts on Aug 18, 2010 11:11:05 GMT -6
the end result is that they feel much better tonight than they did this afternoon. This is not as clear as you think Charlene. Seen that you are so involved in this particular execution I hope it will happen for you at least.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Aug 18, 2010 11:25:15 GMT -6
Another POS has been dealt with in true Texas fashion. God bless the victims, God bless Texas, and God bless Capital Punishment
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 18, 2010 11:30:49 GMT -6
the end result is that they feel much better tonight than they did this afternoon. This is not as clear as you think Charlene. Seen that you are so involved in this particular execution I hope it will happen for you at least. What do you mean this is not as clear as she thinks?
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 18, 2010 11:45:03 GMT -6
What do you mean this is not as clear as she thinks? This newbye means he hopes an execution will happen to Charlene. That's exactly what he means. Plain and simple. He didn't say to he said for. There is a difference in those two prepositions. I would rather the newbe would explain himself if he desires to make clear his meaning.
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Post by moretoasts on Aug 18, 2010 11:50:51 GMT -6
clear=predictable sorry
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 18, 2010 11:57:32 GMT -6
Why don't you just explain yourself? What is predictable?
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 18, 2010 12:00:33 GMT -6
Peter Cantu Executed: 17 Years After Brutal Gang Rape and Murder of 2 TeensAug 18 (THAINDIAN NEWS) Peter Cantu, who was convicted of the brutal gang rape, torture and murder of Elizabeth Pena, 16, and her 14-year-old friend, Jennifer Ertman, after bragging to friends and family about the gruesome act which he committed, has been executed at the Walls Unit in Huntsville, Texas. After cohabitating in an American prison system for longer than his victims were alive on earth, using tax payer provided computers to blog about his crimes, living seventeen years on government provided meals and medical care, and eating a last meal of chicken enchiladas, rice and a cinnamon roll, Cantu took his last breath with no friends or family present, only the families of the innocent victims of his crime came to see him die. The family of Jennifer Ertman had no comments, and a family friend explained, “Randy and Sandy have been through enough of this. And Randy has said all that he can say. He said it in court and he’s always said it before to the cameras, and there’s just nothing else that he wants to say.” The father of Elizabeth Pena stated, “Put it this way, I wish my daughter could have died the way he died today. Wasn’t no pain. These girls went through an awful lot of pain when they died,” said Adolfo Pena. “He deserved to die and 17 years later he died. Not soon enough.” The young teenage girls went through agonizing pain as they were raped repeatedly by the six perpetrators, strangled and tortured with belts and shoe laces, beaten so badly that they were unrecognisable to their own families, and end the end, Cantu stood on their throats to be sure that they were dead. The men then left their broken bodies in the humid Houston, Texas heat to rot like road kill. Cantu never showed any remorse for his crime, and actually bragged to friends and family members about the horrendous actions which he and two other men, Jose Medellin and Derrick O’Brien were executed for, and two others, Efrain Perez and Raul Villarreal, will spend life in prison for, since they were minors at the time of the crime. The sixth perpetrator,Venacio Medellin will only spend 40 years in prison since he was only 14 at the times the crimes were committed. Some of these suspects will eventually be eligible for parole. www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/peter-cantu-executed-17-years-after-brutal-gang-rape-and-murder-of-2-teens_100414478.html
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Post by Charlene on Aug 18, 2010 15:25:14 GMT -6
What do you mean this is not as clear as she thinks? This newbye means he hopes an execution will happen to Charlene. That's exactly what he means. Plain and simple. No, I don't think he meant that at all. I don't think English is his first language so things get lost in translation a little. I took it as a generous comment even if we don't agree on the issue.
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Aug 18, 2010 15:38:34 GMT -6
He probably meant that not every victim survivor feels better after witnessing an execution but he hopes that Charlene will feel better.
Usually I don't try to explain the words of others. But this time I think the guy was heavily missunderstood, so...
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 18, 2010 15:47:21 GMT -6
He probably meant that not every victim survivor feels better after witnessing an execution but he hopes that Charlene will feel better. Usually I don't try to explain the words of others. But this time I think the guy was heavily missunderstood, so... Thats how I understand it also.
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Post by Charlene on Aug 18, 2010 19:48:21 GMT -6
And in response, I would say that I would be willing to guess that I have spoken to more murder victim survivors who have had their perpetrators executed than most and I have never had one person tell me that it didn't help them in some way. No one.
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Post by moretoasts on Aug 19, 2010 6:30:50 GMT -6
[quote author=admin board=cases thread=31206 pos t=565403 time=1282182501]And in response, I would say that I would be willing to guess that I have spoken to more murder victim survivors who have had their perpetrators executed than most and I have never had one person tell me that it didn't help them in some way. No one.[/quote] Agree, but i guess that it helps because all the troubles all the appeals and everything comes to the end. The nightmare is over, and that's it. But my question is if it's the DP itself that creates that. Isn't better LWOP for Murder Victims Survivors and have some peace without going through everything that comes after a DP sentence?
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Aug 19, 2010 7:23:30 GMT -6
[quote author=admin board=cases thread=31206 pos t=565403 time=1282182501]And in response, I would say that I would be willing to guess that I have spoken to more murder victim survivors who have had their perpetrators executed than most and I have never had one person tell me that it didn't help them in some way. No one. Agree, but i guess that it helps because all the troubles all the appeals and everything comes to the end. The nightmare is over, and that's it. But my question is if it's the DP itself that creates that. Isn't better LWOP for Murder Victims Survivors and have some peace without going through everything that comes after a DP sentence?[/quote] I've also thought about that before. A DP case always attracts more media attention with all the appeals and possible commutations. Every decision in the case forms a little climax of attention before the highest point is reached with the execution. When you just lock someone up forever and forbid them media contact, probably very soon noone will ever hear about the guy again. Although you could also argue that less and faster appeals leading to sooner executions would do the trick as well. All in all it's a very individual thing though and noone can say beforehand whether watching the execution of the perp would help him or her with coping. I guess if you haven't experienced it yourself, you cannot even remotely imagine that situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 7:36:29 GMT -6
Agree, but i guess that it helps because all the troubles all the appeals and everything comes to the end. The nightmare is over, and that's it. But my question is if it's the DP itself that creates that. Isn't better LWOP for Murder Victims Survivors and have some peace without going through everything that comes after a DP sentence? I've also thought about that before. A DP case always attracts more media attention with all the appeals and possible commutations. Every decision in the case forms a little climax of attention before the highest point is reached with the execution. When you just lock someone up forever and forbid them media contact, probably very soon noone will ever hear about the guy again. Although you could also argue that less and faster appeals leading to sooner executions would do the trick as well. All in all it's a very individual thing though and noone can say beforehand whether watching the execution of the perp would help him or her with coping. I guess if you haven't experienced it yourself, you cannot even remotely imagine that situation. 1. I don't believe you can forbid them to ever have media contact, or contact with outside world, just because you want to 2. As long as the murderer is alive, they can file another appeal. There will be more "free" help offered to those with life sentences if the lawyers doing the DR appeals now are ever freed up because of any abolition 3. I can imagine it. I promised him I would be there in my victim impact statement, to see justice done for Bethena and Ron and Beau. And even if that day is emotional because I will be thinking so much of what happened to our Beth, I know in the long run it will help me to see that justice, whether you want to believe that or not. I think of what happened to our Bethena every day, and always will, anyway. How could I not? If someone can't imagine it helping them, they don't have to go. It's not required.
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Post by Charlene on Aug 19, 2010 7:37:20 GMT -6
[quote author=admin board=cases thread=31206 pos t=565403 time=1282182501]And in response, I would say that I would be willing to guess that I have spoken to more murder victim survivors who have had their perpetrators executed than most and I have never had one person tell me that it didn't help them in some way. No one. Agree, but i guess that it helps because all the troubles all the appeals and everything comes to the end. The nightmare is over, and that's it. But my question is if it's the DP itself that creates that. Isn't better LWOP for Murder Victims Survivors and have some peace without going through everything that comes after a DP sentence?[/quote] There are appeals with LWOP cases as well, but they never end. LWOP killers can and do get their sentences reversed or commuted. With execution, there is truly the relief that can only come from finality.
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 19, 2010 9:42:45 GMT -6
[quote author=admin board=cases thread=31206 pos t=565403 time=1282182501]And in response, I would say that I would be willing to guess that I have spoken to more murder victim survivors who have had their perpetrators executed than most and I have never had one person tell me that it didn't help them in some way. No one. Agree, but i guess that it helps because all the troubles all the appeals and everything comes to the end. The nightmare is over, and that's it. But my question is if it's the DP itself that creates that. Isn't better LWOP for Murder Victims Survivors and have some peace without going through everything that comes after a DP sentence?[/quote] Why would it be better? They might always worry about the inmate escaping. They'll have to always worry about the sentence being commuted. Heck, they have to worry about that when the inmate is sentenced to death. Nothing is sure. But when the inmate is executed they know that this vile person will never harm another living human. What they live with most is the thought of what their loved one went through. Not even LWOP can erase that.
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Post by brumsongs on Aug 19, 2010 10:59:32 GMT -6
"What they live with most is the thought of what their loved one went through. Not even LWOP can erase that."
Or the DP, I shouldn't have thought.
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Aug 19, 2010 11:58:14 GMT -6
1. I don't believe you can forbid them to ever have media contact, or contact with outside world, just because you want to You're probably right. The media attention usually ceases though when the guys are locked up (of course exceptions are famous cases like Charles Manson, for example). But when they are sentenced to death they are an attention magnet long before the execution. That's most probably true. Still LWOP wouldn't be under such heavy fire as the DP as nearly everyone can name cases in which LWOP should be handed down. For many people "Lock him up forever!" gets over their lips more easily than "Kill him!". Some would still protest though, yes. I know you can and I wish you wouldn't have to be able to imagine it. I wanted to say that only those who suffered from murderers can tell whether watching the execution will help them, thus most can't. That's why this can hardly be used as an argument against or for the DP, it's different for every individual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 12:32:01 GMT -6
1. I don't believe you can forbid them to ever have media contact, or contact with outside world, just because you want to You're probably right. The media attention usually ceases though when the guys are locked up (of course exceptions are famous cases like Charles Manson, for example). But when they are sentenced to death they are an attention magnet long before the execution. That's most probably true. Still LWOP wouldn't be under such heavy fire as the DP as nearly everyone can name cases in which LWOP should be handed down. For many people "Lock him up forever!" gets over their lips more easily than "Kill him!". Some would still protest though, yes. I know you can and I wish you wouldn't have to be able to imagine it. I wanted to say that only those who suffered from murderers can tell whether watching the execution will help them, thus most can't. That's why this can hardly be used as an argument against or for the DP, it's different for every individual. If DP is gone, the LWOP boys/girls will be the new baddest in town, and get all the same kinds of attention. That is easy to see, especially since some already are. I doubt sensationalist news reporters will disappear, or that hybristophilia will suddenly be wiped off of the planet. I don't think you can evaluate 'what will happen if LWOP is the worst sentence' by how you or the other regular antis here behave and think - you have to look at how sensationalist reporters and loud politicized activists and scumpals behave. How many times have we come to the realizations on this board that the DP is their vehicle for playing the role in which they see themselves? If the DP is gone, they will find another cause in which to play that self-serving role. That is so easy to see. And it would be what they now call LWOP, the "Whole Life Sentence - another Death Penalty"; they are gearing up for it already. To deny that is having one's head in the sand. On the last issue.... Those who can imagine if seeing a murderer executed will help them in some way - you are right that is not everyone. You can't, you say. But since the average number of people affected directly in some way by each murder is about 200, then the number of people who could imagine it is probably larger than you seem to believe.
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Post by Tracy on Aug 22, 2010 14:52:54 GMT -6
Finally over. I just got home. He had no final words, no expressions of remorse like his two co-horts, but that is not very surprising. What I saw on the faces of the Ertmans and the Penas was pure relief. You can call it closure if you want or you can reject the notion of closure but the end result is that they feel much better tonight than they did this afternoon. I have seen this many times and no one could ever convince me that there is no benefit to victims from an execution. Good riddance. No remorse ...another true POS that lived for far too long.
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