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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 15:02:56 GMT -6
I suppose it's also worth pointing out that in Pakistan, and other poor countries, they don't have a lot of resources to do things fancy.
I don't think they were out to make these guys suffer any more than necessary; they just don't have the expectation of having an elaborate gallows on hand, or having the resources to transport the prisoners from where the crime occurred to a central death row. They expect to do things by the seat of the pants. So they're a bit sloppy.
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Post by Matt on Mar 11, 2010 17:34:43 GMT -6
I don't think they were out to make these guys suffer any more than necessary; they just don't have the expectation of having an elaborate gallows on hand, or having the resources to transport the prisoners from where the crime occurred to a central death row. They expect to do things by the seat of the pants. So they're a bit sloppy. I've never actually thought of it that way. Sounds reasonable to me.
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Post by Matt on Mar 11, 2010 17:36:39 GMT -6
Where did you get the idea that this was Iran? They look like Indians and they're speaking Urdu. This is Pakistan. (Contrary to the video title it's not Saudi Arabia either, where they only use beheading). Someone in the know speaks. We stand corrected. Thanks.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 12, 2010 10:40:32 GMT -6
I suppose it's also worth pointing out that in Pakistan, and other poor countries, they don't have a lot of resources to do things fancy. That's nonsense. The Pakistanis hang people a certain way for a reason. It's not for lack of money. Read the Qu'ran and you'll understand why they hang people in the street. I happen to agree with the Pakistanis and Iranians on this issue. They're not sloppy at all. They are simply more serious about retribution than we are.
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Post by leopard32 on Mar 12, 2010 12:53:04 GMT -6
I would not agree that this is in Pakistan. There have been no public hangings there since the late 1970's and they use a proper gallows with trap doors and a measured drop. There were no executions in Pakistan during 2009 at all. Only Iran presently uses this method of short drop hanging and also suspension hanging using a truck mounted crane for public executions which still take place there, the last just this Wednesday.
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Post by oslooskar on Mar 12, 2010 13:35:21 GMT -6
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Post by oslooskar on Mar 12, 2010 14:26:35 GMT -6
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Post by Matt on Mar 12, 2010 14:30:27 GMT -6
How should I know? If you say so, great. My Farsi is no better than my Urdu.
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Post by Royd on Mar 26, 2010 5:36:56 GMT -6
It should not be forgotten that the death penalty in Iran has more to do with political will over the people than it has to do with crime. The warning is clear, mess with the regime, and the regime will seriously mess with you.
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Post by Tim S on Mar 26, 2010 7:17:00 GMT -6
We can have no way of knowing why these men were hanged. For all we know, they could have been part of a gang of mass murderers. Or maybe they were just gay. Iran (if it was Iran; the video says Saudi) has a long history of calling things "crimes" which we in the West would find abhorrent. But it's their country, and their laws. If the people don't like it, it's up to them to change things. Sorry but I can't resist it: I thought your country was the one which " helps" other countries to change things.
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Post by halflife1052 on Mar 26, 2010 15:54:48 GMT -6
Not every US citizen believes that we should be interfering in the affairs of sovereign nations.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 27, 2010 7:31:41 GMT -6
Not every US citizen believes that we should be interfering in the affairs of sovereign nations. I am such a citizen. It's their laws, their country, and none of our business. Besides which the manner of an execution has nothing to do with its morality -- anywhere. Lethal injection is no more moral than chopping the condemned while alive into stew meat. The punishment is exactly the same, either way.
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Post by halflife1052 on Mar 28, 2010 9:13:08 GMT -6
So what you are saying is that you don't mind if we go back to hanging drawing and quartering them. Thanks we will keep it mind! ;D
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 28, 2010 9:46:46 GMT -6
So what you are saying is that you don't mind if we go back to hanging drawing and quartering them. Thanks we will keep it mind! ;D How could I possibly object? If drawing and quartering deterred just one person from committing murder, if it was even marginally more effective as a deterrent than lethal injection, is it not worth it? The point of an execution is to show social resolve in the enforcement of a law considered by society to be of supreme importance. An execution is supposed to represent society's ugliest and angriest reaction to having been offended. It's the ultimate declaration of who's really in charge. Otherwise, what's the point? Alleged supporters of capital punishment who throw stones at those who do the death penalty a little different are rank hypocrites. Whoever these towelheads are that are hanging people in the street -- at least they're being honest about what they're doing. They don't act guilty, fertive or ashamed in killing someone for what s/he has done. They do it with feeling, as they should. We have lost capital punishment because we no longer have the stomach for it. It's been the pros -- not the antis -- who have always bellyached about the "humanity" of murderers. It's been the pros -- not the antis -- who went from hanging to electrocution, from electrocution to gas, from gas to lethal injection. It's been the pros -- not the antis -- who've been so worried about the integrity of the process that it now takes 20 to 30 years to execute someone. We do, in fact, now argue about the rectitude and practicality of executing an aged or infirm murderer because we waited so long to get around to killing him. The Chinese, Singaporeans, the sand people -- they don't have that problem.
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Post by Royd on Mar 28, 2010 11:07:36 GMT -6
And the Mullahs want nuclear power for peaceful energy purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 22:39:44 GMT -6
I’m not sure if I agree with this. You don’t have to be an actual criminal to be executed in Iran. Gayness (for men) and sex outside marriage (for women) are reasons enough to be doomed. Comparing Iranian executions to American executions is the same as comparing oranges and apples.
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Post by brumsongs on Apr 8, 2010 5:09:22 GMT -6
I’m not sure if I agree with this. You don’t have to be an actual criminal to be executed in Iran. Gayness (for men) and sex outside marriage (for women) are reasons enough to be doomed. Comparing Iranian executions to American executions is the same as comparing oranges and apples. If acts are criminalised by the law in a country then the perpetrators are criminals whether you like it or not.
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