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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 9:46:45 GMT -6
Texas filed a motion to move the DNA testing, ordered in 2008 by the anti-DP Federal Judge Royal Fergeson, to the DNA lab in Austin. This prompted a DNA expert to file an affidavit in October 2009 in opposition to the move. www.fordarlieroutier.org/Evidence/Affidavits/09100501.pdfWith all due respect, Judge Fergeson needs to stop thwarting the will of the people of the State of Texas. There was no basis for ordering any DNA testing, other than the anti-death-penalty motive of this liberal Clinton appointee.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Feb 13, 2010 11:18:15 GMT -6
No doubt the execution team in Texas has been looking forward to this one for a long time. Now let's quickly lay rest to her other appeals and do her up right.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Feb 13, 2010 11:48:00 GMT -6
I wonder how dave "the janitor of God" moff would like his light of love served up? Stuck with a needle or fried up extra chrispy???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 15:26:59 GMT -6
Darlie roother in the butt!! has wasted enough oxygen already.Her husband should be strapped down next to her when her execution day arrives,I dont believe for one minute that he had no knowledge of what happened & that he slept through the whole incident on the night of the terrible crime.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 19:19:44 GMT -6
Petitioner Dailie Lynn Routier, by counsel, pursuant to this Court's order of June 29, 2009 (doc. ft 53), provides the following report on the status ofstate court DNA testing proceedings: 1. Counsel for Ms Routier and an Assistant District Attorney from the Dallas County District Attorney's Office have met several times and communicated numerous times by email over the past six months to come to agreement on the list of items to be subjected to DNA testing pursuant to the order of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. With the assistance of the slate trial court, that process is now complete. 2. In addition, there now appears to be a resolution of which lab will perform the DNA testing. On December 14,2009, the state trial court orally ordered that the testing will be performed by the laboratory maintained by the University of North Texas in Denton, Texas. 3. Still to be determined is whether the trial court will require thai Ihe University of North Texas lab allow Ms. Routier's DNA expert to observe the testing. (Ms. Roulier has requested that her expert be allowed to observ e the testing to help guard against error.) The court has asked the parties to determine whether any of the specimens to be tested will be consumed in the testing before it makes that determination. Counsel for Ms. Routier will continue to keep this Court apprised of the state-ordered DNA testing progress. December 28, 2009 Respectfully submitted, Dewey, Cheatem & Howe, LLP 1050 Connecticut Ave. NW Washington, DC 20036 (202) 955-8500 Fax: (202) 467-0539 HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!! you had me going until I saw the name of the law firm on Connecticut.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 7:37:38 GMT -6
The memo is real. The law firm, of course, is not. There was no signature, so I added it. Oh, well in that case, thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen it yet. By the way, the partner's name is "Cheatham" instead of "Cheatem", which sounds too much like a shyster.
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Post by Californian on Feb 14, 2010 9:33:41 GMT -6
The memo is real. The law firm, of course, is not. There was no signature, so I added it. Oh, well in that case, thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen it yet. By the way, the partner's name is "Cheatham" instead of "Cheatem", which sounds too much like a shyster. I used "Lye, Cheatum and Steele" for the fake caption when I got my paralegal degree. The prof laughed.
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Post by rayozz on Jan 10, 2012 20:42:41 GMT -6
Read a post on Topix that said some DNA results came back in favor of Darlie. Went to the Darlie family page and nothing was reported on it.
A search lead to an open group Facebook page (Free Darlie Routier) and in the comments section there is an email, supposedly from her lawyer, that states a facial hair and pubic hair from the crime scene did not belong to any members of the family.
Interesting, if true.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 10, 2012 20:54:48 GMT -6
I always felt she was found guilty by the media, and public by her strange behavior.
What evidence in a court of law did they have to convict her?
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Post by rayozz on Jan 10, 2012 21:13:15 GMT -6
I always felt she was found guilty by the media, and public by her strange behavior. What evidence in a court of law did they have to convict her? My understanding is that it was the blood evidence. Her footprints in the blood and more specifically blood cast off on her night shirt, which implied a stabbing action.
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Post by reapwysow on Jan 16, 2012 16:28:42 GMT -6
The only crime I find unforgivable , in my mind, is the killing of a child. I'll probably burn in hell for thinking that way, but there it is , none the less.
eh..what the hell , I have marshmellows.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 8:31:36 GMT -6
Read a post on Topix that said some DNA results came back in favor of Darlie. Went to the Darlie family page and nothing was reported on it. A search lead to an open group Facebook page (Free Darlie Routier) and in the comments section there is an email, supposedly from her lawyer, that states a facial hair and pubic hair from the crime scene did not belong to any members of the family. Interesting, if true. Pubic hair? As far as we know this wasn't a sex base crime. Who knows, those hairs could have been placed their earlier
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Post by DeadElvis on Jan 19, 2012 20:09:49 GMT -6
Read a post on Topix that said some DNA results came back in favor of Darlie. Went to the Darlie family page and nothing was reported on it. A search lead to an open group Facebook page (Free Darlie Routier) and in the comments section there is an email, supposedly from her lawyer, that states a facial hair and pubic hair from the crime scene did not belong to any members of the family. Interesting, if true. Pubic hair? As far as we know this wasn't a sex base crime. Who knows, those hairs could have been placed their earlier I suspect that if a forensics team was to go through any of our houses with the proverbial "fine toothed comb," we would all be shocked and probably grossed out by what they find.
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Post by rayozz on Jan 19, 2012 20:49:06 GMT -6
There was an implication that there was an attempted rape, hence the interest in the pubic hair.
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Post by rayozz on May 1, 2012 22:07:32 GMT -6
I seems that the DNA is finally going to be tested, and fairly soon. www.fordarlieroutier.org/Legal/DirectAppeal/Order-Samples.pdfFor those of you that have followed this case, you will have heard of Dave Moff, Darlie's staunchest supporter and would be lover, was complaining that his ex-wife tore up all of his precious photos of Darlie!
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on May 2, 2012 1:36:43 GMT -6
I'm writing to Darlie now too. She told me she loves British charm she sees Moff only as a friend.
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Post by rayozz on May 2, 2012 2:34:09 GMT -6
I'm writing to Darlie now too. She told me she loves British charm she sees Moff only as a friend. He's set up a Facebook page for donations for her. Case discussion not allowed, support only.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on May 2, 2012 3:25:40 GMT -6
Just checked it out. They also 'like' Jackie Collins lol
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Post by rayozz on Dec 21, 2013 1:00:43 GMT -6
Some DNA results are back and have been presented in court. Very interesting.
The mysterious tube sock found in the alley only had Devon's blood on it. The two limb hairs found inside the sock belonged to the same person, but did not belong to any of the Routier family.
Darlie's night shirt which was said to have cast off blood from stabbing Devon and Damon. DNA testing showed this not to be true and the only blood on it belonged to Darlie.
As a result more DNA testing has been authorised on other items.
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Post by whitediamonds on Dec 21, 2013 12:13:31 GMT -6
I always felt she was found guilty by the media, and public by her strange behavior. What evidence in a court of law did they have to convict her? I still feel the same now as back then when I posted this.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Dec 23, 2013 2:38:49 GMT -6
I just want something to say whether or not she murdered her kids. I shudder to think what would happen if she's found innocent by DNA testing...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 18:08:42 GMT -6
She can't be found innocent by DNA testing. It's not a litmus test for the truth. There is no doubt she is guilty, and it has nothing to do with the way the press portrayed her, the silly string party, or anything else but the evidence presented in court. Listening to the recording of the 911 call just makes it more obvious. Plus, nothing was missing. It's been run into the ground, but what motive would there have been for someone to sneak in and knife those boys? Darlie's wounds were consistent with being self-inflicted. The bruises appeared too late to have been caused on the night of the crime, suggesting further B.S. behavior on her part.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 11, 2014 10:48:41 GMT -6
Tx is a well funded state machine.
Dallas county has seen more post conviction DNA exonerations than any county in the nation since 2001.
Going by the yr she was foung guilty, since then many DNA errors were found done by the labs, now corrected. She only had one test of DNA there should be another done before any execution in this case.
I'm a pro dp but come on now, if I had to face a major issue I would want back up of more testing done. She only had one DNA to convict to the DP.
Much of this reminds me of the Casey Anthony behavior/motive wise, no DNA was available to convict, this case is iffy with no new DNA test done.
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 12, 2014 18:20:11 GMT -6
She can't be found innocent by DNA testing. . In cases like this, it's worth remembering that guilt has to be proven - doubt is to the benefit of the inmate. The release of a guilty murderer is unfortunate, the execution of an innocent person is a tragedy. The fact that certain judges still fail to grasp this, is merely a sign of how *screwed* up the U.S. court is and always has been.
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Post by rayozz on Jan 12, 2014 23:07:54 GMT -6
it was announced that Camm had been hired as a case coordinator for Investigating Innocence, a national nonprofit that provides criminal-defense investigations for inmates, and that Camm's first case would be Darlie Routier.
David Camm was the Indiana police trooper that went through three trials for the murder of his wife and two children, before being found not guilty. He spent 13 years in jail. Don't know what expertise he can offer, except for trial misconduct.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 19:50:26 GMT -6
Tx is a well funded state machine. Dallas county has seen more post conviction DNA exonerations than any county in the nation since 2001. Going by the yr she was foung guilty, since then many DNA errors were found done by the labs, now corrected. She only had one test of DNA there should be another done before any execution in this case. I'm a pro dp but come on now, if I had to face a major issue I would want back up of more testing done. She only had one DNA to convict to the DP. Much of this reminds me of the Casey Anthony behavior/motive wise, no DNA was available to convict, this case is iffy with no new DNA test done. DNA testing is not necessary for a conviction, because many times such a test may have no relevance to the crime scene. Post conviction DNA testing is only permitted when it could actually change the outcome of the trial. Many, many requests for such tests are turned down, and rightfully so, because it often doesn't matter whose DNA was on the items. Here is a case, not unlike Sedley Alley (TN) where the defense is requesting DNA testing simply to delay execution for the sake of delay. Given the circumstances of these murders, finding strange DNA on any objects won't amount to a hill of beans. This woman is on tape telling the 911 operator she wiped the prints off the knife. Instead of freaking out about this horrible slash-murder that just took place right in front of her, she tells the operator that if only we had some prints, maybe we could have caught the murderer. Does this not read like some awful B-movie plot to you? And again, what logical motive would there have been for someone to break in, stick the knife deep inside those little boys over and over, steal nothing, and then leave? What could DNA testing prove in the absence of any physical evidence that a stranger broke into and back out of the house? If they had established that a stranger might have actually done that, then DNA testing might have been useful to back it up. There is nothing here to justify further testing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 20:07:34 GMT -6
She can't be found innocent by DNA testing. . In cases like this, it's worth remembering that guilt has to be proven - doubt is to the benefit of the inmate. The release of a guilty murderer is unfortunate, the execution of an innocent person is a tragedy. The fact that certain judges still fail to grasp this, is merely a sign of how *screwed* up the U.S. court is and always has been. Sorry, but we're talking about a request to go back after the trial has ended and do more tests. Guilt certainly does not have to be reproven-she was already found guilty. Thinking up irrelevant tests is a common stalling tactic for a defense that has nothing concrete to use for an appeal. Further testing of this crime scene cannot change the outcome, regardless of whose DNA is found on which object. The exonerations that have occurred to-date were successfully able to cast doubt on some fact that was used at trial. We have nothing here, which is why the judge won't allow any more of it.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 15, 2014 9:45:56 GMT -6
She can't be found innocent by DNA testing. .[/quote The release of a guilty murderer is unfortunate, the execution of an innocent person is a tragedy. quote] And if the release of a guilty murderer murder's yet again, is that unfortunate or a tragedy to you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 9:49:27 GMT -6
She can't be found innocent by DNA testing. . In cases like this, it's worth remembering that guilt has to be proven - doubt is to the benefit of the inmate. The release of a guilty murderer is unfortunate, the execution of an innocent person is a tragedy. The fact that certain judges still fail to grasp this, is merely a sign of how *screwed* up the U.S. court is and always has been. The fact that you fail to grasp anything is a sign of how fu(ked up scumpals are and always will be.....
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 15, 2014 10:04:20 GMT -6
Tx is a well funded state machine. Dallas county has seen more post conviction DNA exonerations than any county in the nation since 2001. Going by the yr she was foung guilty, since then many DNA errors were found done by the labs, now corrected. She only had one test of DNA there should be another done before any execution in this case. I'm a pro dp but come on now, if I had to face a major issue I would want back up of more testing done. She only had one DNA to convict to the DP. Much of this reminds me of the Casey Anthony behavior/motive wise, no DNA was available to convict, this case is iffy with no new DNA test done. DNA testing is not necessary for a conviction, because many times such a test may have no relevance to the crime scene. Post conviction DNA testing is only permitted when it could actually change the outcome of the trial. Many, many requests for such tests are turned down, and rightfully so, because it often doesn't matter whose DNA was on the items. Here is a case, not unlike Sedley Alley (TN) where the defense is requesting DNA testing simply to delay execution for the sake of delay. Given the circumstances of these murders, finding strange DNA on any objects won't amount to a hill of beans. This woman is on tape telling the 911 operator she wiped the prints off the knife. Instead of freaking out about this horrible slash-murder that just took place right in front of her, she tells the operator that if only we had some prints, maybe we could have caught the murderer. Does this not read like some awful B-movie plot to you? And again, what logical motive would there have been for someone to break in, stick the knife deep inside those little boys over and over, steal nothing, and then leave? What could DNA testing prove in the absence of any physical evidence that a stranger broke into and back out of the house? If they had established that a stranger might have actually done that, then DNA testing might have been useful to back it up. There is nothing here to justify further testing. All of this rings so loudly of the Casey Anthony trial, she is free. I believe she killed that poor child to this day. Beliefs with only odd behavior,puzzle seems to fit does not make a sentencing. DNA is not necessary?
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