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Post by Jennifer Colucci on Feb 4, 2005 10:11:52 GMT -6
This case in Connecticut is awful. After 20 years on death row for killing 8 women and children (2 were only 14) , A federal judge has decided to investigate into the sanity of Michael Ross. Apparently it needs to be determined if he has a new disorder being dubbed " Death Row Syndrome". This claim is being explored and the the way one develops such a disorder is from the conditions in which has has lived in the past 20 years. I see this as nothing more than a slap in the face of the victims and their families. I have started a petition titled: Please Proceed With The Execution Of Michael Ross The link is: www.petitiononline.com/jc831x2/petition.html I appreciate everyone taking the time to read this and would appreciate if you sign and pass it along...I am having a difficult time trying to get signatures. If I can get at least 1000 signatures , I will hand delivers this to the States Attorney General and the Governor of Connecticut. Thank you, Jenn www.petitiononline.com/jc831x2/petition.html
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Post by Bert wo login on Feb 4, 2005 14:11:43 GMT -6
I am from Ct & I have signed your petition. I agree with 100%. This whole situation has gotten out of control. Makes a mockery of justice.
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Post by Jennifer on Feb 4, 2005 14:50:46 GMT -6
Thank you Bert,
I hope you forward it to as many supporters as well. Its hard to believe my message has been viewed 34 times and you are the first to sign.
Every One Counts though!
Thanks again,
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Post by GlennF on Feb 4, 2005 14:57:31 GMT -6
Is it any use if someone from another state or other country signs it? If so I'll sign it right away!
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Post by Jennifer Colucci on Feb 4, 2005 22:21:10 GMT -6
Yes, seeing as Michael Ross is still alive because somehow this made it to a federal level, all signatures count as far as I am concerned..
Please sign and pass along. This case needs closure, as do the families..
Thank you,
Jennifer
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Post by tatiana on Feb 5, 2005 13:56:12 GMT -6
Have been watching the Ross show develop from afar. it's a pity the people cannot see the TRUE evil that is Michael Ross. I have, because I have interviewed him. www.newcriminologist.com
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Post by snowy111 on Feb 5, 2005 14:21:24 GMT -6
Have been watching the Ross show develop from afar. it's a pity the people cannot see the TRUE evil that is Michael Ross. I have, because I have interviewed him. www.newcriminologist.com I could not get into your link.
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Post by Simon on Feb 5, 2005 15:20:45 GMT -6
That link should work, otherwise try: www.newcriminologist.co.ukWe have some articles about Michael Bruce Ross, plus a new article about lethal injection. We also have the exclusive interview with Michael Ross available, simply follow the links on the home page. Hope this helps.
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Post by snowy111 on Feb 5, 2005 17:41:24 GMT -6
That link should work, otherwise try: www.newcriminologist.co.ukWe have some articles about Michael Bruce Ross, plus a new article about lethal injection. We also have the exclusive interview with Michael Ross available, simply follow the links on the home page. Hope this helps. Well this time when I tried it I was able to get into both of them.
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Post by Chris2 on Feb 6, 2005 12:04:40 GMT -6
...pigs can fly, the Earth is flat like a pancake, George W. Bush is a genius...
A fairly pointless petition, considering both Governor Rell and AG Blumenthal are already fans of state killing.
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Post by Joy on Feb 6, 2005 13:00:20 GMT -6
Hey, if this petition is allowed her, am I allowed to post petitions for signing?
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Post by Snowy on Feb 6, 2005 13:59:55 GMT -6
Hey, if this petition is allowed her, am I allowed to post petitions for signing? I wouldn't know you may want to ask a moderator.
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Post by Jane on Feb 7, 2005 6:46:14 GMT -6
you have my vote
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Post by Jcolucci on Feb 8, 2005 8:38:59 GMT -6
If pigs could fly and the earth were flat, I would Tie Michael Ross onto a pig, Clip the pigs wings, and send him over the edge of the "flat" earth!!!! I wrote the petition for the "little voices" of the country that are Pro-Death.. I am not Dick Blumenthal nor am I Governor Rell.. I didn't find it pointless writing it.. I was trying to support the victims families and it was good for me to vent.. Thank you for all who signed.. www.petitiononline.com/jc831x2/petition.html
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Post by Jane on Feb 8, 2005 8:43:51 GMT -6
;D ;D too funny ! well you got my vote regardless of the rest of them this man is pure evil
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Post by Felix on Feb 8, 2005 13:56:22 GMT -6
whilst I agree he appears to be pure evil, I cannot sign your petition because I believe that I or others including the state, do not have any moral right to take life which is not in the context of immediate self defense. He has remained on death row for 20 years, hence demonstrating that it is possible to keep him from harming others. I believe that by killing him, worthless as he may be, we are invariably allowing him to push us into making a statement about all human life, ie: in certain circumstances it is ok to terminate it. That gives Michael Ross and his kind a power over me that I refuse to allow him to have. My stance although it may be "anti" is rooted in a deep respect both for his victims and all human life. With respect,
felix
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Post by salemjones on Feb 8, 2005 14:49:54 GMT -6
Well put Felix
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 9, 2005 3:57:21 GMT -6
thank you Salem. Here in the UK I cannot help but notice that Harold Shipman the GP killed himself, as did Fred West, and Ian Huntley has tried. Seems to me they seek that release from their sentences so why the pro folk think they are the harsher punishers is beyond me. I really honestly feel that in a subtle way the actual killers have manipulated them into beoming what they are/were, except worse in some respects because there is years of premeditation and consideration beforehand. Some of the argument I see for the DP seems only driven by unresolved anger.
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Post by Jane on Feb 9, 2005 5:13:32 GMT -6
Felix you make a mockery of the english. How the hell can you feel pity for the likes of Ian Huntley. I am sure if your daughter was Jessica or Holly you would feel different. If they try to kill themselves then so be it - who the hell cares !. I would love to see Ian get the DP ohhhhhhhh if only ! Respect you say ?. i dont think so.. perhaps you spend too long on the CCAPD website making friends
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Post by Agaveman wo login on Feb 9, 2005 15:27:10 GMT -6
If you read some of the comments on the petition you will realize how meaninless it is. I doubt anyone pro or anti would be persuaded by a petiton that has comments such as "what is wrong with hanging", "give him the juice", or is signed by Osama Bin Laden.
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Post by GlennF on Feb 9, 2005 15:40:39 GMT -6
If you read some of the comments on the petition you will realize how meaninless it is. I doubt anyone pro or anti would be persuaded by a petiton that has comments such as "what is wrong with hanging", "give him the juice", or is signed by Osama Bin Laden. Well, you will find that some antis do their utmost to mess up the petition!
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Post by Felix on Feb 9, 2005 17:08:03 GMT -6
Jane, you appear to ahve responded to your caricature of what an anti consists of rather than to what I actually said. I am not English, I live here, and I cannot see how I make a mockery of the English in that post, do you care to explain or illustrate? Where do I show pity for Ian Huntley? Show me exactly where? In fact I am professionally involved in assessing people who pretend to be mentally ill after committing serious crimes and I am unaware of any who would find me pitiful of them. As for feeling different if it were one of my daughters? Of course I would, but then I would be professional enough to exclude myself from the assessment process which is about objective professional assessment, and not based on personal feelings which might make the process subjective. As for the CCAPD, I am aware it is a subjective website based in Canada which involves itself around selectively choosing snippets about people on death row, apart from that I do not visit the place and you sound like you know more about it than I do, my only knowledge comes from posts about the site that I ahve seen pro's make. Any other issues I can clear up for you while we are at it?
Respectfully, Felix
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Post by Tony on Feb 9, 2005 19:44:54 GMT -6
Why do you always make a fool of yourself felix?
First off what happens here in the USofA is none of your concern..so bug off.
Secondly you claim you would be able to handle the brutal slaying of one of your own daughters, I think not. It's easy to make such asinine claims when one has not experienced tragedy personally.
Thirdly you have always stated the worse of the worst have some worth/value and should be treated as human beings and spared the harshest of punishment.
In plain English----you do feel pity for the worst human rights violators-----murderers.
And lastly felix, is it normal for "alleged" mental health experts to fantasize about crossdressing as you do:
Felix now dont go puttin thoughts like that in my mind Mon Dec 22 2003 9:32:42 am 212.219.233.249
-actually I think i'd be quite convincing in drag! I could call myself mizthing, no, - I forgot, that nick is already gone! lol
Felix ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Me thinks not, guy(?)
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Post by Jane on Feb 10, 2005 4:10:25 GMT -6
Laughing my head off ;D ;D ;D oh that is so funny ! great post Tony !...although i feel your part about us not having anything to with the US is a bit harsh !. We all have the right to take an interest in the DP whether or not we live in the USA or not... easy tiger!. Felix - maybe i got confused with Felix or Felix2 however your comment is ludicrous.... i quote " As for feeling different if it were one of my daughters? Of course I would, but then I would be professional enough to exclude myself from the assessment process which is about objective professional assessment"....really I would bet my butt that if anything happened to you personally then you would feel different, especially if done in a barbaric content. The comment by Tony is true - In plain English----you do feel pity for the worst human rights violators-----murderers! as for you being a mental assessor...... perhaps you should consider being assessed yourself i can comment on the drag bit - each to their own ;D ;D
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 10, 2005 5:31:03 GMT -6
Congratulations Tony, you do appear to have found an ally at last. Jane, as to my personal mental health, dont worry love, my colleagues would pick up on it if I had anything to be concerned about, but thank you for caring. If you remain concerned than please provide the clinical date upon which you premise your concern or cease! Again i will try to explain: The difference between subjectivity and objectivity. Professionally I would never assess someone who had harmed someone near and dear to me because my objective professional judgement would understandably be likely to be affected. What is so difficult about that? You cannot have people in my profession acting out of persoanl anger, ill-feeling, or other personal issues and that is perfectly appropriate. So far, I have not seen you present argument against my stated opinion other than to persoanlly attack me. If that is what you wish to do then fine, but please stop pretenting, or asking me to collude with notions that we are debating the DP?
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 10, 2005 5:36:35 GMT -6
Tony, Humankind and their behaviour towards each other is something which holds legitimate interest for all mankind. We are all inextricably linked in a way that completely transcends all man made borders. To say I should butt out because this is a USW issue makes about as much sense as the cruel regimes who trample peoples rights then try to argue that no other country has any business interfering in what they are doing. By the way, does it not logically follow that America should not interfere in the various countries around the world that it does involve itself in? After all, whatever saddam was doing was to his own? What is that to do with the US. According to you the issue is not that it was wrong, does'nt matter what the US thinks as it is outside the US? Come on and answer me and answer this time, leave the personal insults and dustscrren out of it?
Felix
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Post by Jane on Feb 10, 2005 6:28:07 GMT -6
Felix
I did not personally attack you - its called having a debate... ;D and if i did get too personal then i apologise for that - lighten up ! You cannot expect anything less though for posting a response about "if your daughter etc..." you deserved a slating for that one.
I understand the difference between subjectivity and objectivity of course i do. In your job it would be most unproffessional for you to conduct an assessment having personal interference...all i was saying is that if something happened to your family then you would feel different about being anti. Whether or not your career was in the mental health dept or not this is a seperate issue. the point still remains that we disagree with your concept
Have a nice day
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 10, 2005 6:41:01 GMT -6
So in other words Jane, are you saying that the pro position is only rooted in personal experience of the violent death of a loved one? And also, I am personally aware of anti's who are also mvs, so dont you think you are generalising and being rather prescriptive as to how others should think and act? I am also aware that you make the huge assumption that I have never had the experience of the loss of a loved one to murder? On what basis do you assume that? Is it just because I have never posted at that personal a level? I'm rather curious as to your responses.
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Post by Jane on Feb 10, 2005 6:53:41 GMT -6
No i dont think the pro position is only rooted in personal experience of the violent death of a loved one? but the reason some pro's on here express extreme anger is due to the fact they have experienced personal loss. I think i would be exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.
I have never once told someone how to think or what to say, but i do believe strongly in the DP and bearing in mind this is a PRO site, if any anti questions it i am bound to defend my position.
Naturally i dont know your personal situation perhaps one day you can enlighten us all ..?.. I myself have not experienced loss but have seen people get murdered hence my pro beliefs. We are all entitled to our own opinion.
The only reason i vented my frustration at you in the first instance was because you seemed to pity Ian Huntley and i have very strong feelings over that case.
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Post by Felix2 on Feb 10, 2005 7:18:52 GMT -6
Well I too have been present during a killing which happened during an assessment, and various other untoward experiences. That reinforced the opposite with me. As to Mr Ian Huntley, you may remember he was placed under section 2 of the mental health act because there were doubts about whether he was ill or not (inside story is that he simply did not speak, so needed the 28 day period to make a determination). I may very well be more acquainted with Huntley that you know, and I fail to see what I said that gave you any idea I feel sympathy for him. just for the record, he is a predatory psychopath. His life is of no consequence to me one way or another, I do not like him! I just happen not to seek to kill people I dont like regardless of their crimes/offence. I also have to deal with paedophiles regularly and have to remain objective and keep my mind on figureing out if they are mentally ill or not, and not focus on the fact I have two young daughters and a son. I will say again, yes, if one of them made my child a victim, I know the way I'd feel, I'd also know that wanting or trying to kill them would be still wrong for me to do. Feeling are what drives paedophiles also, do you suggest that is an excuse for what thye do?
Felix
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