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Post by Unknown on Dec 14, 2004 10:23:04 GMT -6
I am from Corpus Christi, Texas and this is an unusual case.
In 1995, Ben Stone murdered his ex-wife and stepdaughter (who was 12 at the time) (they lived in Corpus Christi) and then called 911 from a highway rest stop near Corpus Christi. He told the dispatcher that he killed his wife and stepdaughter with his bare hands and told them he would be by his ex's car, which is where the police found him when they arrested him.
He was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for the murders. He dropped all appeals and was executed two years later because he volunteered to be executed.
Has anyone else heard about this case and what do you think of people who volunteer to be executed?
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Post by BossKean on Dec 14, 2004 12:27:56 GMT -6
www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statistics/deathrow/executed/stone.jpgAs you can see if you visit the above link, that he also sexually assaulted both the wife and daughter as well. He is a rare breed of murderer. What he did was take responsibility for his actions. He obviously had a conscience and his own guilt was more than he could bear. If more murderers were real men, they would step up and take responsibility for their crime and take their punishment. Unfortunately, most are cowards, and self serving bastards that have no place on this earth. Here is a murderer that believes in the DP !!! He might have a shot at forgiveness from our Lord.
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Post by salemjones on Dec 14, 2004 13:30:02 GMT -6
There are many examples of people who have deliberately asked for dp, dropped appeals and volunteered for execution, like state sanctioned suicide. Two well known examples are Aileen Wuornos and Carl Panzram. Both suffering from severe mental illness of course...
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Post by bryan on Dec 14, 2004 16:05:18 GMT -6
a man who volunteers for execution realizes that theres no fighting what he did and its wrong....never really heard anything on ben stone but i do remember a man down in texas was executed 254(or something) days after being sentenced to death
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Post by Tozzie on Dec 14, 2004 23:15:40 GMT -6
There are many examples of people who have deliberately asked for dp, dropped appeals and volunteered for execution, like state sanctioned suicide. Two well known examples are Aileen Wuornos and Carl Panzram. Both suffering from severe mental illness of course... Are you telepathic? You are able to diagnose a severe mental illness? In every case that I have ever read about where appeals were dropped, a competency hearing is held and the inmate is examined by psychiatrist. Apparently they weren't mentaly ill or incompetent or they wouldn't have been executed. I have a wild idea maybe, just maybe, they decided to take responsibility for their crimes and accept the punishment for them.
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Post by athena3 on Dec 15, 2004 11:10:17 GMT -6
In every case that I have ever read about where appeals were dropped, a competency hearing is held and the inmate is examined by psychiatrist. Apparently they weren't mentaly ill or incompetent or they wouldn't have been executed. You can find several cases of mentally ill people executed, and many mentally ill sentenced to death...
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Post by Tozzie on Dec 15, 2004 16:48:58 GMT -6
You can find several cases of mentally ill people executed, and many mentally ill sentenced to death... I don't need to find them as I don't care, mental illness is not a viable defense in my book.
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Post by salemjones on Dec 15, 2004 17:15:50 GMT -6
Are you telepathic? You are able to diagnose a severe mental illness? In every case that I have ever read about where appeals were dropped, a competency hearing is held and the inmate is examined by psychiatrist. Apparently they weren't mentaly ill or incompetent or they wouldn't have been executed. I have a wild idea maybe, just maybe, they decided to take responsibility for their crimes and accept the punishment for them. The persons I mentioned were mentally ill. Trust me. Watch the documentary "Aileen - Life and Death of a Serial Killer" then return and say Aileen Wuornos wasn't mentally ill. This is evidence that the appeals and psychyatrists are obviously not good enough. Mentally ill people have been executed and continue to be executed in the United States. That's a shame.
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Post by salemjones on Dec 15, 2004 17:20:47 GMT -6
I don't need to find them as I don't care, mental illness is not a viable defense in my book. First you deny that mentally ill convicts are executed. Facing facts, suddenly that doesn't matter because you don't care anyway. That you don't care is at least more honest and a valid argument from your point of view. However a lot of people do care. So do a lot of legal clauses and human rights conventions and agreements signed and ratified by the US.
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Post by Donnie on Dec 15, 2004 22:36:26 GMT -6
The persons I mentioned were mentally ill. Trust me. Watch the documentary "Aileen - Life and Death of a Serial Killer" then return and say Aileen Wuornos wasn't mentally ill. This is evidence that the appeals and psychyatrists are obviously not good enough. Mentally ill people have been executed and continue to be executed in the United States. That's a shame. There is no reason not to execute mentally ill people. As long as they knew right from wrong, mental illness is no excuse for murder. I watched the "documentary". The director did everything he could to trick people into supporting injustice for the victims. There is no doubt that executing her was the right thing to do. Her mental illness did not cause her to kill. For a murderer to drop appeals and volunteer for their execution is the best possible outcome. The sooner they drop the appeals the better.
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Post by Tozzie on Dec 16, 2004 6:47:11 GMT -6
First you deny that mentally ill convicts are executed. Facing facts, suddenly that doesn't matter because you don't care anyway. That you don't care is at least more honest and a valid argument from your point of view. However a lot of people do care. So do a lot of legal clauses and human rights conventions and agreements signed and ratified by the US. First of all Mental illness and competency are two different things, second of all I dont' care if they claim to be mentally ill. An no I won't trust you just because you say they were mentally ill. This is my thought if anyone live in society free to come and go as they please they they have to be held accountable under the law, otherwise put them in institutions. Can't have it both ways.
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Post by animal on Dec 16, 2004 21:40:53 GMT -6
First you deny that mentally ill convicts are executed. Facing facts, suddenly that doesn't matter because you don't care anyway. That you don't care is at least more honest and a valid argument from your point of view. However a lot of people do care. So do a lot of legal clauses and human rights conventions and agreements signed and ratified by the US. Salem, it is a matter of whether the person had a knowledge of right and wrong that determines whether or not a person gets the death penalty after a crime they have committed. You ask even the mentally retarded and half of them know what the difference is between right and wrong. So do the mentally ill. Your excuse that the criminals shouldn't be executed because they are mentally ill, spits in the face of those of us who have mental illness and have never walked on the WRONG side of the law.
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Post by cleo on Dec 18, 2004 7:14:01 GMT -6
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Post by Chris2 on Jan 7, 2005 3:51:08 GMT -6
Yes, but as the fanatic state killing zealot that you are, you're not really representative of your fellow countrypeople!
73% of Americans oppose the execution of the mentally ill (Gallup News Service, May 20, 2002).
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Post by Benty on Jan 7, 2005 17:30:03 GMT -6
Yes, but as the fanatic state killing zealot that you are, you're not really representative of your fellow countrypeople!
73% of Americans oppose the execution of the mentally ill (Gallup News Service, May 20, 2002).
Welcome to 2005, where people that really care about the quality of our society believe in the DP *
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Post by athena3 on Jan 7, 2005 18:28:34 GMT -6
You ask even the mentally retarded and half of them know what the difference is between right and wrong. So do the mentally ill. You should know that mental illness can produce allucinations, lack of self control, different level of consciousness and many others disorders that don't exclude to make the difference between right and wrong. Your excuse that the criminals shouldn't be executed because they are mentally ill, spits in the face of those of us who have mental illness and have never walked on the WRONG side of the law. 1- It's not a Salem's "excuse", but as he said it's "a lot of legal clauses and human rights conventions and agreements signed and ratified by the US. " 2- To protect mentally ill people from DP doesn't mean that all people suffering of mental illness are suspected to walk on the wrong side of the law.
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