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Post by BossKean on Dec 7, 2004 12:20:58 GMT -6
What will the anti-liberals do with this one? There are no family members protesting his scheduled execution….’ol Dennis killed them all. There will be no crying for this murdering scum, ‘cause dead people don’t cry. Interesting to hear what the anti’s will come up with…perhaps they will actually understand for once. Let’s see, he killed his Mom, the person that gave him life so brutally that her neck was broken. He killed two nieces, Reba age 4 and Tassy age 14. Reba died from a smashed skull from a hammer and exercise bar. Tassy was strangled so violently that her neck was broken AFTER he sexually assaulted her. He was upset when he went to borrow money from his Mom and was refused. Mark your calendars for February 17th next year when he is scheduled for the Texas Martini. www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/scheduledexecutions.htm
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Post by Macklin on Dec 7, 2004 13:13:06 GMT -6
I can just hear the anti chants now
He made a mistake, he's mentally ill, he's insane, his mother should have given him the money he wanted and she would still be alive, his neice should have had sex with him,then she wouldn't have been raped or had her neck broken.
He was abused, had a bad childhood was potty trained to early, he deserves to live, he's my pen pal, He had an ingrown toenail that made him do it, chemicals sprayed on oranges was the cause, a toad at the pond told him if he murdered his family he would get three wishes. He was insulted by Tony the Tiger when he ate Frosted Flakes.
The Scum wad murdered his in family in cold blood....he should have to forfeit what is most precious to him....his life.
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Post by keithmic on Dec 7, 2004 14:06:14 GMT -6
" What will the anti-liberals do with this one?" "I can just hear the anti chants now" Here is my chant: (based in the Native American style): Lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life....
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Post by snowy111 on Dec 7, 2004 14:25:19 GMT -6
Macklin, are you sure you didn't leave something out? Like his underwear was too tight. He accidentally used Preparation H instead of toothpaste that morning.
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Post by BossKean on Dec 7, 2004 15:05:58 GMT -6
KeithMic Here is my chant: (based in the Native American style): Lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life
Here's my chant: Why didn't he lock up Mom for life Why didn't he lock up Libby for life Why didn't he lock up Tassy for life Why didn't he lock up Reba for life (Chant by a church choir at the 4 person funeral)
I'm trying to figure out a chant for Tassy, the 14 year old girl that he raped and then murdered....nothing comes to mind.
I'm trying to figure out a chant for 4 year old Reba..the thougts of him hitting her in the head with a hammer and an exercise bar just don't get me in the chant mood.
You deserve to live in Philadelphia...
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Post by keithmic on Dec 7, 2004 15:14:49 GMT -6
Boss - not sure what you're getting at.... I am pro punishment and wish a life sentence in prison was exactly that - die an old, broken man in prison then cremate the corpse and ditch the ashes in the trash and clap out the hands. That's what we ought to do in my opinion. "You deserve to live in Philadelphia..." Gee, you say this as if it was a negative thing. I happen to live a great life in this great city. I've been to SoCal....trust me, I sat in more traffic, smelled more fumes and ate more overpiced, bad meals than I ever did here.
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Post by BossKean on Dec 7, 2004 15:23:01 GMT -6
Keithmic
Okay I take back the Philly thing, I love a Pat's cheesesteak, and sticky buns from the bakery on Cottman Ave, and hot pretzels from the vendors on Roosevelt Blvd....however:
On the other hand, for someone to sit in prison, eat three meals a day, watch TV, pleasure himself, get visitors etc. He should be killed, brought back and done again....4 times, one for each person he murdered.
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Post by J on Dec 7, 2004 18:59:53 GMT -6
On the other hand, for someone to sit in prison, eat three meals a day, watch TV, pleasure himself, get visitors etc. This is the politicians fault for wanting to show "society" that they are "tough" on crime by locking them up and throwing away the key. Prisons use to be self sufficient where the inmates WORKED for their living there. If you don't like paying their "living", then talk to your politicians and get them to change things in the prisons and have the inmates grow their own food, do their own laundry, clean the prisons, etc..etc...etc... so that society does not have to pay for them.
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Post by bryan on Dec 7, 2004 22:58:24 GMT -6
remember this....he commited another murder but got a life sentence....meaning he killed 5.....thats disgusting...check out his ccadp page...it makes him look like a red-neck drunk ccadp.org/dennisbagwell.htm
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Post by keithmic on Dec 8, 2004 7:34:36 GMT -6
J correctly wrote: " Prisons use to be self sufficient where the inmates WORKED for their living there. If you don't like paying their "living", then talk to your politicians and get them to change things in the prisons and have the inmates grow their own food, do their own laundry, clean the prisons, etc..etc...etc... so that society does not have to pay for them."
I could not agree more, J. I am not pro DP but I sure am pro punishment. I think the prison system has a lot to do before it can become the efficient punishment machine we need. I have written my state senators as well as my national reps about this many times in the past year, as well as letters against the DP.
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Post by Rob on Dec 8, 2004 12:02:22 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 12:10:58 GMT -6
Yeah, Rightm, KeithMike, Im sure you are heavy into punishment, yet you cry like a little girl over the thought that Redneck Bagwell will be unable to continue his life of leisure courtesy of the taxpayer and his money. Riddle me this, genius, if life in prison is so horrible, how come 99% of those on death row fight tooth and nail for 20 years to stay there. Try looking beyong your mantra of "prison is horrible", and think about what really is so horrible about watching TV all day and having all of your needs taken care of for you. For many MOPES serving life sentences, their standard of living has probably actually increased.
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Post by snowy111 on Dec 8, 2004 12:11:15 GMT -6
I wonder if his mother understood how dangerous he was before this happened.
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Post by keithmic on Dec 8, 2004 12:26:52 GMT -6
Beedo shouted from the cheap seats: "Riddle me this, genius, if life in prison is so horrible, how come 99% of those on death row fight tooth and nail for 20 years to stay there."
Prisons are, in fact, horrible places and I would like to see them become modified to become more efficient and restrictive so that "wishing you were dead" means we got things about right. We're no there yet, the legal/prison system needs an update in the worst of ways. As for the fighting "tooth and nail" I think you're getting confused with mandatory appeals which must occur in most states when a DP sentence is handed down. What you are calling tooth and nail fighting is actually legal due process.
I thank you for paying homage to my genius status, however. I have seen your posts and pity your few smoking brain cells and can see why you'd consider an average joe like me a genius. Perhaps this lack of focused thought explains your infrequent yet amusing posts?
Beedo continued to heckle: "Try looking beyong your mantra of "prison is horrible", and think about what really is so horrible about watching TV all day and having all of your needs taken care of for you."
I think I've looked "beyong" my mantra in the post above. It should give you everything you need to spell out my position.
Beedo said: "For many MOPES serving life sentences, their standard of living has probably actually increased."
I suppose MOPE is one of your little made up words? I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about so we'll leave this one fizzle off unless you can enlighten the rest of us as to what a MOPE is.
Now if that's everything off of your mind I think I'll bid you adieu.
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Post by faithful on Dec 8, 2004 14:00:45 GMT -6
and think about what really is so horrible about watching TV all day and having all of your needs taken care of for you. Not sure of which death row you are refering too, but the one I know of (Texas) there are no TV's, no church services, no schooling. When and "IF" they get rec it is one hour by themselves. Total isolation. Oh, and if you are on level I, you get a radio. Level II and III, no radio..nothing. on Level III, no commisary either and if you run out of soap, toothpaste etc... too bad, you are not allowed that either. You need to get your facts straight before you make assumptions like this
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Post by BossKean on Dec 8, 2004 14:26:06 GMT -6
AKA J... Level 5 is for offenders who can't even get it right in prison. They have no priveliges because they lost thier rights breaking the laws in prison. They deserve nothing, they couldn't take responsibilities for thier actions which is what got them into prison in the first place.
Your post makes it sound like the prison is being mean to them, no get YOUR facts straight, they did it to themselves
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Post by keithmic on Dec 8, 2004 14:42:10 GMT -6
I am 100% for a prison term to be as darn near minimalist as possible for a convicted murderer. You do not have to kill them to punish them and if things were done right the DP would be completely irrelevant.
In my ideal max. prison you get plenty of air, but EVERYTHING ELSE is rationed and considered privilidge. Clothing, food, washing, recreation, bodily fuctions, everyting is mapped out until you die of old age. Laundry and chores are the responsibility of the inmate. Don't wanna do them? Then they sit in their own filth. Prison systems should grow as much of their own food as possible. The lower security prisons can utilize the non-violent inmates to do this and generate as much food as possible for that state's system, while teaching inmates some skills and responsibility. Why not? Prisons are already large land occupiers so why not use this land to produce crops and lessen the tax burden?
Pie in the sky? Maybe, but I'd rather set my goals on improving the status quo and making the system work rather than continue to flounder around in the middle ages where we are now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 17:39:55 GMT -6
I am 100% for a prison term to be as darn near minimalist as possible for a convicted murderer. You do not have to kill them to punish them and if things were done right the DP would be completely irrelevant. In my ideal max. prison you get plenty of air, but EVERYTHING ELSE is rationed and considered privilidge. Clothing, food, washing, recreation, bodily fuctions, everyting is mapped out until you die of old age. Laundry and chores are the responsibility of the inmate. Don't wanna do them? Then they sit in their own filth. Prison systems should grow as much of their own food as possible. The lower security prisons can utilize the non-violent inmates to do this and generate as much food as possible for that state's system, while teaching inmates some skills and responsibility. Why not? Prisons are already large land occupiers so why not use this land to produce crops and lessen the tax burden? Pie in the sky? Maybe, but I'd rather set my goals on improving the status quo and making the system work rather than continue to flounder around in the middle ages where we are now. mmm. ....Were you ever cloned keithmic??? I seem to agree with everything you say.
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Post by faithful on Dec 8, 2004 22:31:52 GMT -6
AKA J... Level 5 is for offenders who can't even get it right in prison. They have no priveliges because they lost thier rights breaking the laws in prison. They deserve nothing, they couldn't take responsibilities for thier actions which is what got them into prison in the first place. Your post makes it sound like the prison is being mean to them, no get YOUR facts straight, they did it to themselves I never said they were or were not being mean. I simply responded to your response that inmates sit around all day and watch tv, eat good 3 meals a day and pretty much have an easy life. Just wanted people to know that is not true. So please, lay off the story that DR is a peace of cake and they get off easy. As to my opinion of all this? I agree with the levels. There are inmates that just don't get it and won't follow rules. You then have those that know what they have done is wrong and that they need to be where they are and do abide by the rules. You play the game, you get priviledges. You don't play the game, you don't have rights. The prison system doesn't do this to let the inmates have an easy life style. Most of the priviledges that they earn is there to help keep control in the prisons.
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Post by Tozzie on Dec 8, 2004 23:54:08 GMT -6
Not sure of which death row you are refering too, but the one I know of (Texas) there are no TV's, no church services, no schooling. When and "IF" they get rec it is one hour by themselves. Total isolation. Oh, and if you are on level I, you get a radio. Level II and III, no radio..nothing. on Level III, no commisary either and if you run out of soap, toothpaste etc... too bad, you are not allowed that either. You need to get your facts straight before you make assumptions like this They are still breathing, eating, sleeping. They are a lot better off than their victims hopefully not for too much longer but it is longer than their victims had. I don't see a problem and if they are on level 3 they did something to get there. I really have no sympathy.
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Post by BossKean on Dec 9, 2004 12:09:18 GMT -6
TOZZIE
BRAVO...well put...go to the head of the class...
I too have ZERO sympathy for these cowards that kill and then moan about "living conditions".
There is one sure way to stop thier complaining about living conditions....eliminate the "LIVING" part.
Have a good Holiday Season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2004 6:20:36 GMT -6
As complicated as people try and make it, I see it as quite simple...there are some really bad people in this world who don't have any redeeming social values and never will, sociopaths who will put a drain on society for as long as they are able to breath in the same air space as the rest of us..as long as the system has its flaws and continues to put the majority of its citizens at risk... society has no choice but to defend itself with the death penalty.....It is not revenge, it is not an eye for an eye...its societies preservation and its statement to the world.
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Post by Macklin on Dec 11, 2004 17:27:42 GMT -6
Keithmic wrote:
Here is my chant: (based in the Native American style): Lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life....lock him up for life...
My Reply:
No decent Native American would chant lock him up !!! The chant would be more like:
"Stake him to the ground, (out in the woods) pour honey all over him,
and leave him for the bears and insects" !!!!
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Post by BossKean on Dec 12, 2004 13:16:51 GMT -6
Valigator, Excellent points. The one you did not emphasize is the one about justice for the family/loved ones of the victim. To me, since most of 'society' didn't know the victim, the sentence of death is mostly a validation of the truth for the families of the victim. The points you made were very realistic and I'm in total agreement.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 13:39:17 GMT -6
I have heard more than once...the death penalty wont bring the loved on back....or the family will never get peace....I think that is wrong on both counts.....an execution of someone who murdered my loved one would give me peace...and I would feel justice was served ....and everytime I said a prayer or spoke to my loved one in a silent moment.....I could think of them with a smile and of the good times...knowing they had been vindicated......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2004 10:18:54 GMT -6
KeithMike, Drop the phony tough guy BS....its not working. A genuine tough guy, like Schwartzenegger, doesn't cr*p his pants and quake in fear at the thought that some loser like Kevin Cooper who slaughtered a family of five might get executed. Your boasts that you want to make prisons "torture chambers" are generic lies used by many ANTIS either to fool the general populace, or even themselves, from admitting they support a life of leisure and entertainmeny for convicted murderers. If you actually do want to turn prisons into torture chambers where inmates "wish they were dead" then you haven't proved you are tough on crime, but only that you are a sadist. I dont believe in torture, even for murderers, but I do believe in justice, and no matter how you slice it, an eye for an eye makes perfect sense.
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Post by salemjones on Dec 13, 2004 10:32:48 GMT -6
I can just hear the anti chants now ... He was abused, had a bad childhood was potty trained to early, he deserves to live, he's my pen pal, He had an ingrown toenail that made him do it, chemicals sprayed on oranges was the cause, a toad at the pond told him if he murdered his family he would get three wishes. He was insulted by Tony the Tiger when he ate Frosted Flakes. Hahaha actually that was funny. C'mon Macklin no anti has used these ridiculous excuses like ingrown toenail and Tony the Tiger. I guess this is what Curios (where has she gone by the way?) would call a ... STRAWMAN. However it is quite clear that this man is suffering from severe mental illness. Kill his own mother, that is a little to much for someone who's sane. If this one is sane, then who's insane You tell me. I say stuff him away for good in a mental institution.
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Post by BossKean on Dec 13, 2004 10:37:30 GMT -6
Old Hand posted; "However it is quite clear that this man is suffering from severe mental illness. Kill his own mother, that is a little to much for someone who's sane" I believe everyone is crazy, some just hide it bette than others...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2004 19:43:09 GMT -6
Sometimes you have to think about the person who is truly bi-polar or a sociopath...one who really has a mental illness....well after pondering it for well over 25 years...where I was on one side of the fence ,,,I am now on the other...Andrea Yates for example....this is an accident waiting to happen....now is it chemical...is it mental....is it genes....its a freak that disposed of her entire family.....maybe I'm older, not truly wiser, I hope so...but maybe not...some of these people need to be put down because the pain, the heartache...the agony they have caused is almost justification in itself....I dont have the patience I once did....I dont condone a perfect race....and I dont know what caused an imperfect one...but history has proved the strong will survive....these mental cases are executions long overdue....hell I am not sure about this...but my God to wipe out your whole family and blame it on a chemical inbalance and not be treated?.....by a pill.......what do you think? ?
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Post by flyhawk on Feb 26, 2005 15:22:25 GMT -6
>:(YEA! Don't speak unless you have been in a situation personally. I agree with faithful.
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