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Post by peeved on Nov 30, 2004 16:18:28 GMT -6
I grew up in Terre Haute, IN and I was in High School when this story broke. Alicia Elmore's Senior Pic is in my Sophmore year Yearbook. Investigation about this convict's status brought me into the Death Penalty Debate about 2-1/2 years ago. I can't wait to see this scum be wiped from the wall of life. I open this to discussion. Source: www.indystar.com/articles/8/198541-1748-009.htmlHigh court won't hear Death Row inmate's case INDIANAPOLIS STAR November 30, 2004 The U.S. Supreme Court declined Monday to hear an appeal from an Indiana Death Row inmate convicted of the torture murder of an 18-year-old woman. Bill J. Benefiel was sentenced to death for the 1987 killing of Dolores Wells, of Terre Haute. Benefiel, 48, wanted a new trial, saying his attorneys were incompetent and prosecutors engaged in misconduct. He has been at the Indiana State Prison in Michigan City since 1988. Prosecutors alleged at his trial that Benefiel held Wells captive for 12 days, sexually abusing her, then killing her on Feb. 17, 1987. Her body was found buried in a rural area near Terre Haute. Alicia Elmore, whom Benefiel held captive in the same house, survived to testify against him.
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Post by salemjones on Nov 30, 2004 16:35:18 GMT -6
I'm not informed about the details in this case, but am shocked to learn that the supreme court declines to even hear an appeal. Hey there is a human life at stake here, what harm would it do investigate the circumstances a little further? If he's guilty wouldn't that be proven in the new trial??? If the defense was incompetent and prosecutors engaged in misconduct that's quite serious indeed. I would recommend this is investigated more thoroughly, to bring some clarity here.
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Post by peeved on Nov 30, 2004 16:40:11 GMT -6
You're chatting with a person who has 1st hand knowledge of the trial. I was in the community at the time of the trial. There was no misconduct to my knowledge. He is as guilty as guilty can be! I'm not informed about the details in this case, but am shocked to learn that the supreme court declines to even hear an appeal. Hey there is a human life at stake here, what harm would it do investigate the circumstances a little further? If he's guilty wouldn't that be proven in the new trial??? If the defense was incompetent and prosecutors engaged in kisconduct that's quite serious indeed. I would recommend this is investigated more thoroughly, to bring some clarity here.
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Post by kma367 on Nov 30, 2004 17:02:37 GMT -6
I'm not informed about the details in this case, but am shocked to learn that the supreme court declines to even hear an appeal. Hey there is a human life at stake here, what harm would it do investigate the circumstances a little further? If he's guilty wouldn't that be proven in the new trial??? If the defense was incompetent and prosecutors engaged in kisconduct that's quite serious indeed. I would recommend this is investigated more thoroughly, to bring some clarity here. The trouble with that logic is that conclusory claims of actual innocence, or of misconduct at the original trial on the internet or in biased articles with no supporting evidence would be all that a killer, or any other convicted felon would need to have endless re-trials which all reach the same conclusion as the original trial, which wasn't really flawed in the first place. When does it end? This claim, like many others, has been rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court not because of a devaluation of this killer's life, but because he failed to prove his case. kma367
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Post by peeved on Nov 30, 2004 21:26:26 GMT -6
The trouble with that logic is that conclusory claims of actual innocence, or of misconduct at the original trial on the internet or in biased articles with no supporting evidence would be all that a killer, or any other convicted felon would need to have endless re-trials which all reach the same conclusion as the original trial, which wasn't really flawed in the first place. When does it end? This claim, like many others, has been rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court not because of a devaluation of this killer's life, but because he failed to prove his case. kma367 Well spoken, kma367... Further, the simple truth is, Benefiel didn't have a case. He was a f**ked up person who told the press after sentencing he "got what (he) wanted." So, let's give him what he wanted. He deserves to die -- more than ANY other convict I know of. His method of murder: SUPERGLUE ASPHYXIATION! He glued Delores Wells' mouth and nose shut! This guy is the posterboy for the death penalty!!!
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Post by peeved on Nov 30, 2004 21:32:17 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2004 22:37:12 GMT -6
I grew up in Terre Haute, IN and I was in High School when this story broke. Alicia Elmore's Senior Pic is in my Sophmore year Yearbook. Investigation about this convict's status brought me into the Death Penalty Debate about 2-1/2 years ago. I can't wait to see this scum be wiped from the wall of life. I open this to discussion. Source: www.indystar.com/articles/8/198541-1748-009.htmlHigh court won't hear Death Row inmate's case INDIANAPOLIS STAR November 30, 2004 The U.S. Supreme Court declined Monday to hear an appeal from an Indiana Death Row inmate convicted of the torture murder of an 18-year-old woman. Bill J. Benefiel was sentenced to death for the 1987 killing of Dolores Wells, of Terre Haute. Benefiel, 48, wanted a new trial, saying his attorneys were incompetent and prosecutors engaged in misconduct. He has been at the Indiana State Prison in Michigan City since 1988. Prosecutors alleged at his trial that Benefiel held Wells captive for 12 days, sexually abusing her, then killing her on Feb. 17, 1987. Her body was found buried in a rural area near Terre Haute. Alicia Elmore, whom Benefiel held captive in the same house, survived to testify against him. Good thing that the high court is at least down to earth! Especially when it involves a case of kidnapping, rape, and murder!
The sooner this creep is executed, the better!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2004 22:44:54 GMT -6
I'm not informed about the details in this case, but am shocked to learn that the supreme court declines to even hear an appeal. Hey there is a human life at stake here, what harm would it do investigate the circumstances a little further? Tell me about it! Her life was at stake alright! She was kidnapped, held hostage for 12 days, raped, tortured,then murdered at the hands of Benefiel. That is definitely a human life at stake, and lost at the hands of Benefiel! Why should the Sepreme Court even want to hear an appeal in a case like this! I believe that the circumstances were investigated more than enough as it is.If he's guilty wouldn't that be proven in the new trial??? It was already proven at his current trial, why waste tax dollars on a new one?
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Post by Donnie on Nov 30, 2004 22:45:49 GMT -6
what harm would it do investigate the circumstances a little further? . The Supreme Court explained this quite well in the Herrera case. But even you ought to realize that at some point the baseless appeals have to be ended and there are only two ways for that to happen. Either the murderer decides to take what he so richly deserves or the Supreme Court has to end the nonsense. "No, the appeal is groundless" can be just as valid a response as "OK, we will cast aside other, more worthy cases to look at this garbage."
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Post by Macklin on Nov 30, 2004 23:16:46 GMT -6
peeved....I am from Indiana to. And there are a couple of murderers Donald Ray Wallace...he should be coming up for his death sentence any time now...he is out of appeals and I have sent letters endlessly about stepping his time limit up. www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/row/wallaced.htmwww.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/row/stephe~1.htmAnd John Stephenson....he murdered 3 people with an assult rifle stabbed them and cut their throats. One of the 3 people he murdered was a daughter (Brandy Southard) of a good friend of mine. A lovey young lady that was studing to be a Child Pychologist....and working a full time job at a sports equipment shop we have here.
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Post by tozziewo login on Dec 1, 2004 13:34:10 GMT -6
I'm not informed about the details in this case, but am shocked to learn that the supreme court declines to even hear an appeal. Hey there is a human life at stake here, what harm would it do investigate the circumstances a little further? If he's guilty wouldn't that be proven in the new trial??? If the defense was incompetent and prosecutors engaged in kisconduct that's quite serious indeed. I would recommend this is investigated more thoroughly, to bring some clarity here.
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Post by peeved on Dec 3, 2004 20:14:42 GMT -6
peeved....I am from Indiana to. And there are a couple of murderers Donald Ray Wallace...he should be coming up for his death sentence any time now...he is out of appeals and I have sent letters endlessly about stepping his time limit up. www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/row/wallaced.htmwww.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/row/stephe~1.htmAnd John Stephenson....he murdered 3 people with an assult rifle stabbed them and cut their throats. One of the 3 people he murdered was a daughter (Brandy Southard) of a good friend of mine. A lovey young lady that was studing to be a Child Pychologist....and working a full time job at a sports equipment shop we have here. Benefiel will hopefully get his date with death soon -- just as Donald Ray Wallace. I don't know much about the John Stephenson case. (Here is a link to Mr. Stephenson: www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/row/stephe~1.htm ) I work with a guy who grew up in Warrick County, Booneville I believe. So, I'll ask him if he is familiar with the case. I'm sure his appeal isn't nearly as far as Benefiel's and Wallace's -- correct? Please share more about this guy if you have any more information...
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Post by Macklin on Dec 4, 2004 0:09:36 GMT -6
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Post by BossKean on Dec 13, 2004 13:13:50 GMT -6
I've gotten to the point where knowing these murdering bastards are in this life for themselves and will lie, cheat steal, pretend they are crazy etc just to keep breathing.
However, the only solace I have is knowing that they are just prolonging the inevitable and adding to the list of issues that they will have to deal with when they meet their Maker.
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Post by peeved on Dec 19, 2004 9:50:27 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2004 13:41:13 GMT -6
Rick Halperin maintains an anti-dp web site at people.smu.edu/rhalperi/The main page has folder listing pending executions which is about as good as any I've found. It's usually updated daily unless the webmaster is on vacation. While it is anti, the "current news" section includes both pro and anti articles.
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Post by peeved on Dec 27, 2004 18:47:21 GMT -6
Rick Halperin maintains an anti-dp web site at people.smu.edu/rhalperi/The main page has folder listing pending executions which is about as good as any I've found. It's usually updated daily unless the webmaster is on vacation. While it is anti, the "current news" section includes both pro and anti articles. And this has what to do with a discussion about Benefiel, TRex?
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Post by Macklin on Dec 28, 2004 5:07:01 GMT -6
Well Peeved.... I think TRex has give you that site, because alto it is an anti site it has about the most updated execution sceheule. And isn't that what you asked for ? If anyone knew any thing about the execution date of the super glue killer ? If his execution was at hand it would be on there. Other than that you could write to the Indiana site to find out more: Here is a link: scroll down the page the super glue killer is mentioned about about the 8th or 9th one. To have an execution date set in a few months in 2005. www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/updates.htm
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Post by Indyagent on Dec 28, 2004 10:16:21 GMT -6
I work as an insurance agent and I was in Terre Haute a great deal in the years after the murder. I have read about this case for sometime and I am glad to see that justice is about to take place. This lunatic held one girl for weeks sodomizing her and mentally abusing her as well with threats of death. According to what i have heard he will be put to death in either February or March of 2005
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Post by peeved on Dec 28, 2004 17:24:20 GMT -6
Well Peeved.... I think TRex has give you that site, because alto it is an anti site it has about the most updated execution sceheule. And isn't that what you asked for ? If anyone knew any thing about the execution date of the super glue killer ? If his execution was at hand it would be on there. Other than that you could write to the Indiana site to find out more: Here is a link: scroll down the page the super glue killer is mentioned about about the 8th or 9th one. To have an execution date set in a few months in 2005. www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/updates.htm Thanks for the clarification Macklin. Yes, I did check the updates and it appears Benefiel & Donald Ray Wallace (for that matter) have a good chance of going under the needle early next year -- especially with "My Man" Mitch (Daniels, Republican) as our new Governor!!! With Benefiel's death, I believe that the most heinous killer in Indiana will be properly dealt with. TRex's remarks were a bit of an enigma to me. After all, why would I want to go to an anti site???
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Post by Macklin on Dec 28, 2004 20:28:36 GMT -6
You are welcome Peeved...
Nothing wrong with going to an anti site for execution info. I also like to go to them occassionally when I need a good down deep belly laugh.
Wallaces crime scene photo's are burned into my memory and the horror he did is unforgetable, especially to the children.
If any two murderers needed to be executed it is Wallace and the super glue killer.
I sure hope the families of their victims can soon be free of them forever.
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Post by tracyh on Dec 29, 2004 16:17:04 GMT -6
i grew up going to different schools and in doing that i met Delores, a very sweet shy young lady, we were working on a string art project together when this happened, it still sits in my closet unfinished because im just sad every time i look at it, i miss her terribly, another thing, i only lived 3 houses down from the monster who did this to her, how many days have i passed in front of the house after looking for her and she was right there? , i would love to save all of the tax payers money and do what he did to her, a cheap bottle of super glue and duct tape is all that is needed. it may be wrong to think that way but i wont rest until his smirky ugly smile is wiped off the face of this earth.
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Post by peeved on Dec 29, 2004 17:16:50 GMT -6
i grew up going to different schools and in doing that i met Delores, a very sweet shy young lady, we were working on a string art project together when this happened, it still sits in my closet unfinished because im just sad every time i look at it, i miss her terribly, another thing, i only lived 3 houses down from the monster who did this to her, how many days have i passed in front of the house after looking for her and she was right there? , i would love to save all of the tax payers money and do what he did to her, a cheap bottle of super glue and duct tape is all that is needed. it may be wrong to think that way but i wont rest until his smirky ugly smile is wiped off the face of this earth. Tracy H, IM me at purdue71man in yahoo or send me an e-mail to the same (purdue71man@yahoo.com). I'd like to chat a bit personally. I graduated from Terre Haute South in 1989. Sounds like we tromped some of the same earth for a time! As I indicated when I started this thread, I got into the DP discussion about 3-years ago now when I was just curious to see if "the super glue killer" (as Macklin calls him) had yet been put to death. I'll lay low on the DP issue after this most necessary execution takes place. While I don't rejoice in the death of anyone, I think it necessary in this case -- just as I think for other pure evil characters like Hitler. peeved
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Post by peeved on Mar 6, 2005 21:31:42 GMT -6
An execution date has been set! April 21, 2005: deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=190After this piece of trash is wiped from the wall of life, the Death Penalty issue to me will be more a matter of fact academic discusson rather than a source of contentious and passionate debate. Two Big, Big Executions this year in Indiana -- considered the worst of the worst: 1) Donald Ray Wallace, March 10. He's bright, thoughtful, self educated, and contrite. Still he killed a family of four including two young children. 2) Bill Benefiel, Jr., April 21. He kindnapped two girls and repeatedly raped them over a number of weeks. He glued one the girls mouth and nose shut -- superglue asphyxia. May he rott in Hell...
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Post by Charlene on Mar 13, 2005 8:39:17 GMT -6
This is always an interesting point of view to me....people who say they are not fully supportive of the death penalty, except in one specific case, or in a few cases. This case deserves the death penalty in your mind because you know many details of the case. But each case has details that someone knows. Each case has details that convinced a jury, working on your behalf, that the appropriate punishment was execution. What we know about any specific murder is just the tip of the iceberg - the media does not report the horrible grisly details in most cases, but the jury hears them. The families and friends of the victims know the details. The police officers hear and see these details. The prosecution is not charged with PROVING its case to you or to me, but to the jury. I trust those people to determine punishment and believe that if the jury says the crime deserves death, I agree with them and I don't need to know all of the details in order to do so. As I indicated when I started this thread, I got into the DP discussion about 3-years ago now when I was just curious to see if "the super glue killer" (as Macklin calls him) had yet been put to death. I'll lay low on the DP issue after this most necessary execution takes place. While I don't rejoice in the death of anyone, I think it necessary in this case -- just as I think for other pure evil characters like Hitler. peeved
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Post by peeved on Mar 13, 2005 14:38:36 GMT -6
This is always an interesting point of view to me....people who say they are not fully supportive of the death penalty, except in one specific case, or in a few cases. This case deserves the death penalty in your mind because you know many details of the case. But each case has details that someone knows. Each case has details that convinced a jury, working on your behalf, that the appropriate punishment was execution. What we know about any specific murder is just the tip of the iceberg - the media does not report the horrible grisly details in most cases, but the jury hears them. The families and friends of the victims know the details. The police officers hear and see these details. The prosecution is not charged with PROVING its case to you or to me, but to the jury. I trust those people to determine punishment and believe that if the jury says the crime deserves death, I agree with them and I don't need to know all of the details in order to do so. No Charlene, you miss my point: I do believe in the Death Penalty as an appropriate punishment for a crime. Contrary to your perception of my remarks, I didn't mean to imply that I don't support the Death Penalty in other cases. I am making a distinction as I've tried to address in the discussion of Donald Ray Wallace, Jr. that I started - (1) Benefiel is a Sociopath. His crime was carried out over 12-days I believe. After consideration, he chose to kidnap two young women and rape and sodomize them over that period. He then superglue’d and duct tape’d one of them (Delores Wells) to death. This was a truly evil pre-meditated act. It was cold and contrived by Benefiel. Evil. (2) Wallace was a self-proclaimed “dope fiend.” He was out burglarizing houses when he “got greedy” (as he put it) and went to the next house. Then, the family came home and Wallace tried to control the situation. In an act of “utter madness” (again, as he put it), Wallace murdered the family of four including two young children. There is a clear distinction here that is worthy of discussion: While both crimes were reprehensible, Benefiel’s crime could not be characterized as “a crime of passion” or an act that was “incidental” or “in the moment” to another less malicious behavior. Benefiel was in the business of controlling, humiliating, and destroying others. Wallace was in the business of burglarizing homes and doing dope. To me, while the murders were both (and again I’ll use the word) reprehensible, Benefiel’s crimes were crimes of pure evil and Wallace’s crimes were crimes of utter madness. There is a distinction between these two men. While I’m not in any way saying that Wallace didn’t deserve the Death Penalty, I am saying that Benefiel is the poster boy for the Death Penalty.
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Post by texasnative on Mar 14, 2005 12:01:00 GMT -6
Benefiel, 48, wanted a new trial, saying his attorneys were incompetent and prosecutors engaged in misconduct.
WOW! Never heard THIS one Before!
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Post by texasnative on Mar 14, 2005 12:07:36 GMT -6
I've gotten to the point where knowing these murdering bastards are in this life for themselves and will lie, cheat steal, pretend they are crazy etc just to keep breathing.
Native:
FINALLY. A truely Enlightened individual.
Let's say you have some disease and have been given, say, 2 years to live. Is it not COMMON that you would Sell EVERYTHING you own in order to try to just stay Alive?
Of course you would.
Well put.
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Post by texasnative on Mar 14, 2005 12:13:33 GMT -6
Peeved wrote: To me, while the murders were both (and again I’ll use the word) reprehensible, Benefiel’s crimes were crimes of pure evil and Wallace’s crimes were crimes of utter madness. There is a distinction between these two men.
Native: Not according to Law. You might want something to be different really really bad but that doesn't make it so. You might have a very very different belief about something but that doesn't make it wrong. A majority vote makes it right. The People make the laws. You might not completely agree but well, both are Legally and Correctly on Death Row.
And I'm not saying this to be mean but it really doesn't matter how anyone 'feels' about that.
And I believe the point about people being adamant about particular cases because they are familiar with them is an EXCELLENT point. SOMEBODY is familiar with EVERY ONE of these cases. They are called a Jury.
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Post by dio on Mar 14, 2005 12:53:10 GMT -6
BossKean wrote: I've gotten to the point where knowing these murdering bastards are in this life for themselves and will lie, cheat steal, pretend they are crazy etc just to keep breathing.
My reply: It is truly sad that Boss didn't register as a member.He could have posted this very same remark once again with a slight modification and it would have fit very nicely in some other threads.What modification?The first that came to my mind went something like this:
I've gotten to the point where knowing these murdering bastards are in this life for themselves and will lie, cheat steal, pretend they are crazy etc just to keep breathing and the penpals writing,
4 words to modify but it does so eloquently fit.
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