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Post by Californian on Nov 22, 2009 16:33:13 GMT -6
Lethal injection creator fine with 1 drug in OhioCOLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- The man considered the father of lethal injection in the United States said it doesn't matter whether three fatal drugs are used or one - as his home state of Ohio has proposed - as long as the drug works efficiently. Dr. Jay Chapman, who developed the lethal three-drug cocktail in the 1970s when he was the Oklahoma state medical examiner, said Ohio's decision to become the first state in the nation to use only one drug achieves that goal. He said there was no particular reason he didn't propose a single drug, other than a concern that it might take a little longer to work. His three-drug method became widespread after states copied Oklahoma. Now Chapman, semiretired in California at age 70, said he believes the system he helped create shows condemned inmates too much mercy. "Their death is made much too easy by this sort of protocol for the crimes that they committed," he told The Associated Press last week. But he said the hope was injection would avoid the pain-and-suffering arguments and allow executions to take place. Under Ohio's new system, executioners would use a single large dose of thiopental sodium, an anesthetic, to put inmates to death, similar to the way veterinarians euthanize animals. The one-drug system has never been used on condemned inmates in the United States. State officials proposed the change after state executioners tried unsuccessfully Sept. 15 to find a usable vein for condemned killer Romell Broom. Broom, who raped and killed a 14-year-old girl in 1984 in Cleveland, is challenging the state's right to try a second time. The new protocol would provide a backup method using two drugs injected into a muscle if no usable vein can be found, as happened with Broom. The current system uses one drug that puts inmates to sleep, a second that paralyzes them and a third that stops their heart. Death penalty opponents have long argued that the three drugs could cause offenders severe pain if the first drug didn't adequately knock out an inmate. Capital punishment entered Chapman's life early. A childhood friend, Chester Gregg, was executed for killing his wife in July 1952.Chapman, who grew up in the southwest Ohio town of Blanchester, and his mother stayed up with Gregg's mother the night of the execution. He said the event had no bearing on his later work. "It's a totally separate thing," Chapman said. "It's just an experience I had along the way." Chapman, a forensic pathologist, was the Oklahoma medical examiner while state officials were looking for a new execution method shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court declared capital punishment constitutional. Lawmakers then began looking for a humane method of execution to replace the electric chair. Chapman initially proposed a two-drug approach: an anesthetic followed by a paralytic drug. He later added potassium chloride, to provide for instantaneous death. "We felt that by going with this type of regimen, no one could suggest that it was cruel and unusual because people undergo this very protocol every day for anesthetic for surgery world-round," Chapman said. The U.S. Supreme Court last year upheld the constitutionality of lethal injection, ruling on Kentucky's three-drug method, which is similar to that in Ohio and many other states. A separate lawsuit challenges Ohio's protocol, questioning in recent months the qualifications of executioners, some of whom are paramedics. Attorneys for death row inmates mention the case of Joseph Clark when raising questions about executioners' ability to perform lethal injection. In 2006, Clark's execution had to be restarted after he pushed himself up and announced the drugs weren't working. An execution in 2007 also took much longer that usual. The state has repeatedly said it's confident in its execution team. The state argues that the new method renders the lawsuit moot, since it removes the possibility of pain, and it addresses situations such as the Broom case. Opponents says moving ahead quickly with the new, untested method amounts to "human experimentation." Ohio hopes to have its new system in place in time for a possible execution Dec. 8. tinyurl.com/yk36huv
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Post by Rev. Agave on Nov 22, 2009 16:54:29 GMT -6
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Post by kingsindanger on Nov 22, 2009 17:01:55 GMT -6
I agree. For me, LI is more trouble than its worth. A simple method such as firing squad or hanging will do just fine. At the end of the day, the scumbag is still dead right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 17:38:51 GMT -6
Won't happen. The death penalty is on its last legs. LI was the last stand for the death penalty and now even that is being called cruel and unusual.
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Post by kingsindanger on Nov 22, 2009 17:44:30 GMT -6
Won't happen. The death penalty is on its last legs. LI was the last stand for the death penalty and now even that is being called cruel and unusual. What a crock! How is LI cruel? We stick a needle in the scumbag's arm and he goes to sleep. How many victims get to die in a similar fashion?
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Post by Donnie on Nov 22, 2009 19:05:04 GMT -6
Won't happen. The death penalty is on its last legs. LI was the last stand for the death penalty and now even that is being called cruel and unusual. Life without parole is also being called cruel and unusual. What something is called by some people is no test of reality.
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Post by Katyusha on Nov 22, 2009 20:33:07 GMT -6
Won't happen. The death penalty is on its last legs. LI was the last stand for the death penalty and now even that is being called cruel and unusual. What a crock! How is LI cruel? We stick a needle in the scumbag's arm and he goes to sleep. How many victims get to die in a similar fashion? That is exactly the problem I have with it: To easy a death. A life full of suffering and neglect would be a more fitting sentence.
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Post by Californian on Nov 22, 2009 20:40:33 GMT -6
That is exactly the problem I have with it: To easy a death. A life full of suffering and neglect would be a more fitting sentence. Why aren't there more volunteers, then? Apparently the condemned themselves don't agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 9:13:39 GMT -6
That is exactly the problem I have with it: To easy a death. A life full of suffering and neglect would be a more fitting sentence. Why aren't there more volunteers, then? Apparently the condemned themselves don't agree with you. Wrong. They are often pestered by lawyers to appeal. That and a sense of duty to their family. Would you want to sit in a dr cell for 10+ years until all your appeals are done? I doubt it. If it was me i'd be begging for death wether it be old sparky or the needle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 9:18:25 GMT -6
What a crock! How is LI cruel? We stick a needle in the scumbag's arm and he goes to sleep. How many victims get to die in a similar fashion? That is exactly the problem I have with it: To easy a death. A life full of suffering and neglect would be a more fitting sentence. What you have to understand is that expectation is impracticle. Guards, whether you like it or not, make friends with long term prisoners. They try to make their life bearable to ease their concsiense or to just simply keep the peace on the block. You are completely unrealistic sorry.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Nov 23, 2009 9:25:21 GMT -6
Why on earth would a 'guard' as you call them want to make friends with inmates 'to ease their conscience'??
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Post by Californian on Nov 23, 2009 9:25:24 GMT -6
Why aren't there more volunteers, then? Apparently the condemned themselves don't agree with you. Wrong. They are often pestered by lawyers to appeal. That and a sense of duty to their family. "Pestered?" They can say "no" to any visitor, including family and lawyers. Don't make up shyt to bolster your cause. It's rather evident that their lives are precious to them. I don't know. Never been there, never will be. And if was you, I'd be glad to help. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 9:29:39 GMT -6
Why on earth would a 'guard' as you call them want to make friends with inmates 'to ease their conscience'?? Because they are helping to take another humans life?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 9:31:11 GMT -6
Why aren't there more volunteers, then? Apparently the condemned themselves don't agree with you. Wrong. They are often pestered by lawyers to appeal. That and a sense of duty to their family. "Pestered?" They can say "no" to any visitor, including family and lawyers. Don't make up shyt to bolster your cause. It's rather evident that their lives are precious to them. I don't know. Never been there, never will be. And if was you, I'd be glad to help. ;D You can't say that. You don't know how your brain is wired. You may have been "normal" for years but something could make you flip. Incidentally i have no cause i just like to analyse things. Time out of cell means alot to someone stuck in a box room for years on end. Theres your reason why so many cooperate with lawyers.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Nov 23, 2009 9:34:27 GMT -6
Why on earth would a 'guard' as you call them want to make friends with inmates 'to ease their conscience'?? Because they are helping to take another humans life? Very few are members of a tie down team tho. The way you made it sound was that they should be ashamed of locking inmates up. However I apologise if this was not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 9:40:05 GMT -6
Of course they should not be ashamed. But when you get talking to someone over time you can start to feel sympathy fr them and become friendly with them. We all have areas where we are vulnerable. The death penalty is clearly nescessary especially in overcrouded places like china but theres a way of going about it. I don't agree with calling a DR inmate a POS without knowing exactly what happened.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Nov 23, 2009 9:53:48 GMT -6
I don't feel sympathy for murderers. I know a murderer personally (as I did his victim) and what he did was for his own selfish needs - he is a free man now, his victims wife is still suffering, I know who has my sympathy.
By the way Ive told him he should have hung.
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Post by Californian on Nov 23, 2009 14:59:14 GMT -6
Yeah? I just did. Whattaya gonna do about it, pilgrim?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 17:47:03 GMT -6
It's what you are gonna do about it that counts. As long as you stick to it and don't get too trigger happy when someone annoys you
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Post by kingsindanger on Nov 23, 2009 18:47:06 GMT -6
Of course they should not be ashamed. But when you get talking to someone over time you can start to feel sympathy fr them and become friendly with them. We all have areas where we are vulnerable. The death penalty is clearly nescessary especially in overcrouded places like china but theres a way of going about it. I don't agree with calling a DR inmate a POS without knowing exactly what happened. This is exactly why we as society cannot punish thses criminals. Some jabroni will feel sympathy to the inmate. You have to remember the inmate is where they are because of their own actons. I don't feel the slightest sympathy for any murderer. Hang them all and be quick about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 22:09:46 GMT -6
Not so sure. Serial killers and feral young thugs? I'd fry them a and i mean FRY them but husbands or wifes bumping off their partner? Life sentence is appropriate. It's not as simple as say kill all murderers.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Nov 24, 2009 2:19:27 GMT -6
Only they don't get life sentences (in the UK anyway). They get piddling 10 or 12 year affairs and sometimes not even that. We have become to lilly livered in Britain and thats why we have ferals running wild and stabbing people for asking them to keep quiet. I would bring back the rope and birch in a second. Birch the little shyts and if they step out of line birch 'em again. Im lucky that I live out in the country but there are people terrified to go out at night because of these cider swigging cretins. And they brag about stabbings if they get to Young Offenders places See how much they boast when standing on a gallows - people think im 'brutal' or medieval in birching or hanging these young thugs but if they're old enough to stab then they're old enough to swing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 10:17:04 GMT -6
They love being incarcerated. That way they get to mix with all the riff raff everyday. It's really sad they should just be put down or as you say - beaten black and blue.
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Post by kingsindanger on Nov 24, 2009 18:49:29 GMT -6
Not so sure. Serial killers and feral young thugs? I'd fry them a and i mean FRY them but husbands or wifes bumping off their partner? Life sentence is appropriate. It's not as simple as say kill all murderers. It is that simple, in my opinion. Murder is still murder- I don't care how you want to justify it or sugar coat it. I don't give a darn about the means, or how heinous the crime was. The length of time that a victim suffered should not be the determining factor. Bottom line is an innocent life was taken. So I will stand with my position of hang them all. After all this is the United States - the land of equal opportunity.
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on Nov 24, 2009 23:00:50 GMT -6
I wouldn't be opposed to the guillotine, although I prefer the noose.
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Post by reapwysow on Nov 25, 2009 11:40:40 GMT -6
If i had my way , i would just wire thier cell with electricity , or put in poison gas pipes or whatever. then when they got an execution date after all appeals are exausted i would make the date a stretch like "to be executed on any date between nov 15 and nov 30" but i wouldnt tell them, afterall their victims never knew they were going to be killed the day they woke up.
i would just announce over a speaker piped into thier cell just before i turned on the machine. but i would take all their ramen noodles first and assure them i wasnt going to kill them.
now thats fair.
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