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Post by justwonderingfrom Aus on Oct 21, 2004 23:41:46 GMT -6
Can anyone tell me what is happening with this case. A few of the inmates had execution dates for June 04. I know this was changed due to the age of some of the inmates on that horrific day. I have tried to follow other threds but they have all just ended up in online arguements about DR......Does anyone know whats going on. Thanks in advance
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2004 23:53:31 GMT -6
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Post by justwonderingfrom Aus on Oct 22, 2004 0:28:54 GMT -6
Thanks heaps for that info Leah..... I have read that one and it doesnt seem to have been updated since 1999. Everything I find still says they are to be executed in June 04. Wonder why we cannot find any updates. Thanks again....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2004 0:53:52 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2004 17:34:30 GMT -6
Speaking of Jose Medellin, he has not news at the moment...just waiting...if you need any iformation you can ask, he is my pen pal in a long time---
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2004 19:28:44 GMT -6
Speaking of Jose Medellin, he has not news at the moment...just waiting...if you need any iformation you can ask, he is my pen pal in a long time--- Why?!? What about the victims? I hate to say it, but as much as you want to help people, writing to murderers is a "lost and dangerous" cause.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2004 0:00:36 GMT -6
explain me the connection between your 2 sentences...you asked me about the victims and then you say writing him is dangerous... first af all....dangerous? for heaven....WHY? i write to some death row inmates and i can tell you for sure it's something that help me, not hurt me....taking care of someone who is hated from the rest of the word is so difficult for you???then you asked about the victims...they are in my thoughts and i wrote to their parents too sometimes... but i' triing to fight death penalty and to do something for people that are completely alone...taking care of a death row man doesn't mean that you don't think about his victims...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2004 11:58:07 GMT -6
explain me the connection between your 2 sentences...you asked me about the victims and then you say writing him is dangerous... first af all....dangerous? for heaven....WHY? Because if he has accomplises, or gets out, you can be victimized too! The inmate is trying to give you the "oh I redeemed myself" image when that in reality is not the case.i write to some death row inmates and i can tell you for sure it's something that help me, not hurt me....taking care of someone who is hated from the rest of the word is so difficult for you??? The homless is an excellent expample of people hated. Many are also mentally ill and can need some companionship. There's an idea! then you asked about the victims...they are in my thoughts and i wrote to their parents too sometimes... That's a good start, the victims families are suffering much more than any death row inmate when you think about it. Leah
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2004 7:23:11 GMT -6
why you tell me they could go out from prison and kill again.....don't you have faith in your justice system? ?? it's so strage...i've always thought they would go out of death row because they were INNOCENT....what' s going on?
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Post by snowy111 on Nov 1, 2004 7:44:59 GMT -6
why you tell me they could go out from prison and kill again.....don't you have faith in your justice system? ?? it's so strage...i've always thought they would go out of death row because they were INNOCENT....what' s going on? Well some have murdered again. What does faith in the justice system have to do with someone murdering again? Each person makes their own choice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2004 8:43:18 GMT -6
considering we're speaking of death row....no one can go out from death row except the ones being innocent! so....if a man goes out from death row he is NOT a killer...and have never killed anyone... unless you don't tell me, even killers win their process for death penalty...and in this case this means you don't have any faith in your judicial system...
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Post by snowy111 on Nov 1, 2004 9:05:44 GMT -6
considering we're speaking of death row....no one can go out from death row except the ones being innocent! so....if a man goes out from death row he is NOT a killer...and have never killed anyone... unless you don't tell me, even killers win their process for death penalty...and in this case this means you don't have any faith in your judicial system... No there have been people who have been commuted to life on death row. If Peter or any of them get their sentences commuted then they would get life and be eligible for parole. Texas does not have LWOP. Remember the US Supreme Court is going to decide if someone commits a crime under the age of 18 if they should get the death sentence. If they overturn this this than at least two of those five would get their sentences overturned since they were 17 at the time of the crime. If they get their sentences commuted than they will be eligible for parole.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2004 10:35:26 GMT -6
and do you really think it will happen??? i mean...if i'm not wrong this is one of the most painful homicide of all texas in years... and i have serious doubts about their sentences to be commute...anyway...even if they will have life sentences...do you really think they will go out one day??? for what regard Josè, hisonly chance is that he is a mexican citizen....
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Post by snowy111 on Nov 1, 2004 12:46:23 GMT -6
and do you really think it will happen??? i mean...if i'm not wrong this is one of the most painful homicide of all texas in years... and i have serious doubts about their sentences to be commute...anyway...even if they will have life sentences...do you really think they will go out one day??? for what regard Josè, hisonly chance is that he is a mexican citizen.... It could Texas doesn't have LWOP. I wish they did incase they reduce a sentence. But I don't know if they could apply it retroactive. Yes many murderers that get life in Texas "get paroled." I guess if they get their sentences commuted lets pray it doesn't happen in this case. But I don't know if they can legally leave them in. Not sure about the legalities of parole in Texas. As for Jose they may send him back to Mexico but it is pretty easy to cross the border. Many do it every day.
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Post by Redvine on Nov 3, 2004 1:08:15 GMT -6
Don't forget about Kenneth McDuff. He was sentenced to death, but it was reduced to a life sentence when the Supreme Court struck down all death sentences in the early 1970's. He was later paroled, and killed 5 more women before being sentenced to death a second time.
He has since been executed, and this final act of justice has prevented him from killing again.
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Post by J on Nov 3, 2004 12:06:40 GMT -6
Life in Texas means an inmate HAS TO SERVE 40 years before being considered for parole. They cannot be paroled before 40 YEARS
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Post by snowy111 on Nov 3, 2004 12:22:49 GMT -6
Life in Texas means an inmate HAS TO SERVE 40 years before being considered for parole. They cannot be paroled before 40 YEARS Aren't they eligible after 20 years. I thought a person was eligible after 1/2 their sentence was served.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2004 18:14:10 GMT -6
Aren't they eligible after 20 years. I thought a person was eligible after 1/2 their sentence was served. Good question Snowy, I am not sure about Texas, but in some states, they can be eligible after only 10 - 15 years. Especially, if the wrong judge is handling the appeals. Happens often and a pretty scarey thought!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2004 5:48:45 GMT -6
Aren't they eligible after 20 years. I thought a person was eligible after 1/2 their sentence was served. Hi Snowy, The current sentencing guidelines in Texas give only 2 sentencing options if found guilty of Capital Murder. "life" sentence where the murderer will be eligible to be considered for parole after a minimum of 40 years, or DP. No "good time", 2 for 1 or any of those kinds of extra credit for time served are allowed, either. But I don't know if Jenny and Elizabeths murderers were sentenced under the current guidelines or not. If they were sentenced under the previous guidelines, it might be less for them. I will try to find out.
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Post by Charlene on Nov 4, 2004 8:49:53 GMT -6
The Penal Code for Texas was widely revised in 1993, the year Jenny and Elizabeth were murdered. It went into effect in September, for crimes committed after that date. The girls were raped and murdered in June. The guidelines below do not apply to the girls' murderers - they would be eligible for parole after serving 35 years, if their death sentences were commuted to life. Hopefully they would die in prison long before it became an issue. Being eligible for parole and receiving parole are two different things - I do not believe they would be paroled. However, there was also something called Mandatory Release, which allowed for a day and a half of good time credit for each day served, even for violent offenders. This meant that a convict had to be released after serving just 1/3 of their sentence. I am not sure but believe this law also was not changed until after these murders. Current sentencing guidelines for Texas: Capital murder — murder committed under one of eight specified circumstances listed in Penal Code sec. 19.03 — carries a penalty of death or life in prison. Offenders sentenced to death for capital murder never become eligible for parole. Those sentenced to life in prison are eligible for parole after serving 40 years, without consideration of good conduct time. However, the Board of Pardons and Paroles may grant parole to a capital felon given a life sentence only upon a two thirds vote of the entire 18-member board and only after receiving a report on the probability that the nmate would commit an offense after being paroled. I've had emails from several people who were pen pals of these guys....for awhile. Then they found the girls' memorial page that I created and discovered the details of why they were on death row, or realized from the contents of their letters that they were not very nice (go figure) and decided to stop writing to them. It is easy to romanticize someone who you can never see and only know through a few written words. But the reality of their true selves lies in the written words on the page at www.murdervictims.com/Voices/jeneliz.html, something they will never be able to escape or hide from. Hi Snowy, The current sentencing guidelines in Texas give only 2 sentencing options if found guilty of Capital Murder. "life" sentence where the murderer will be eligible to be considered for parole after a minimum of 40 years, or DP. No "good time", 2 for 1 or any of those kinds of extra credit for time served are allowed, either. But I don't know if Jenny and Elizabeths murderers were sentenced under the current guidelines or not. If they were sentenced under the previous guidelines, it might be less for them. I will try to find out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2004 16:19:12 GMT -6
hi Charlene.. i don't think...and i hope...noone ever told you that Josè and other members of his gang were angels...they are not. they commicted something that i think goes out from the human comprehension.... i'm writing to Josè for several years...he was the first one telling me the reason why he was on death row... then i read some articles on it, and looked at the memorial pages... it was a shock for me...even if i knew why they were sentenced to death...looking and Jennifer and Elisabeth smiles was something that hurted me like never before. i was so angry when i read about them...angry with all...because it was not right...because i asked myself why God may let thiese kind of things to happen... because all was so absurd...beacause it was a nigthmare no one should never live.. i was angry with Josè and with all those guys...i didn't wrote o him for some days...but then i started again...'cause i needed to understand...why that could happen... i think there is not a understanding reason...i think..simply it has not to happen. there is not reason for it...no pity for what they did. but this doesn't mean their death will give back to Jennifer and Elisabeth they life...unfortunately... they are not angels...no saints...but from my point of view they are still human being...good or not...but human being...this is why i'm stillwriting him...never forgetting about what his hands did that day...
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Post by snowy111 on Nov 4, 2004 16:39:09 GMT -6
Celilia does Jose think he deserves to be put to death. Why did he say he did it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2004 17:14:40 GMT -6
Snowy..these are the questions i asked him... well...he told me surely he does not want to die...it's human...but then he can not commiserate who wants him to die... when i wrote him, i expected to hear the same old stories about his poor childhood and so on... but it never happened... he is taking the full responsability for what happened that day...even if he says he didn't kill them as he is accused for...but just he can know the truth... anyway....i ask him....why....why for God, he did all that? how could his hands take life from those two girls.. the answer was...i don't know...he told me they were drunk....but there is not a true reason..this is the sad part of all...i asked him...how could you done it, considering you have a daughter? ?? it's ...it's not human... he told me in that moment he did not think about nothing...nor his daughter...nor death penalty...just the gang... there is not a reason for it...it's absurd but when you ask them why...they answer like that... this is why i tell that until society won't understand why men kills and try to prevent it we will always see tragedies like this one...
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Post by snowy111 on Nov 4, 2004 20:23:58 GMT -6
Snowy..these are the questions i asked him... well...he told me surely he does not want to die...it's human...but then he can not commiserate who wants him to die... when i wrote him, i expected to hear the same old stories about his poor childhood and so on... but it never happened... he is taking the full responsability for what happened that day...even if he says he didn't kill them as he is accused for...but just he can know the truth... anyway....i ask him....why....why for God, he did all that? how could his hands take life from those two girls.. the answer was...i don't know...he told me they were drunk....but there is not a true reason..this is the sad part of all...i asked him...how could you done it, considering you have a daughter? ?? it's ...it's not human... he told me in that moment he did not think about nothing...nor his daughter...nor death penalty...just the gang... there is not a reason for it...it's absurd but when you ask them why...they answer like that... this is why i tell that until society won't understand why men kills and try to prevent it we will always see tragedies like this one... He doesn't want to die I'll bet those girls didn't either. Getting drunk is not an excuse. Many guys get drunk but don't rape and murder. If he was a father he should have been home. You want me to understand. I understand they liked the power. That's why they did what they did. It was fun force yourself on a helpless person and feel like a god. You need to understand that people like that need to be punished. Now it's his turn to suffer and be afraid. I'm sorry I can't feel sorry for someone that. Life is more than just about yourself.
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Post by Money on Nov 5, 2004 11:47:33 GMT -6
Charlene - your summary of the actual position re parole etc.. in Texas is very helpful and enlightening - penalties in the UK seem knowhere near so harsh as in the USA (DP apart).
I would welcome the sort of lenghthy sentences that the US courts hand down being applied in the UK.
DP supporter or not I cannot envisage a more appropriate sentence for each and every one of these animals - I simply cannot understand why the likes of cecilia spend time communicating with such individuals - my wish would be for a speedy conclusion of the age debate and a swift execution In the mean time I wish each and every one of those nasty scum bags the most desperately painful and agonising time on Texas' death row. Go get 'em Warden!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2004 12:56:14 GMT -6
Snowy, i did not excuse him for a moment! there is not justification for what they commicted and surely i'dl like not to see him or villareal or perez walking in the streets... i did not aks you to understand....because i can't do it neither... but i think triing to understand is the only way we have to prevent things like this....to give the oppotunity to all our children to grow up safe... i think that the feeling inside a gang are different from everything else a man can feels...this is why i believe we should ask ourself what we can do to stop their existance...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2004 14:19:52 GMT -6
Cecilia's motivation for wasting her time writing this guy seems to be "he's a human being". What a rocket scientist you are! I guess the same can be said for Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot. Did you take a trip to Cambodia to visit Brother #1 before he died, Cecilia? You can try to obfuscate all you want, but your real motivations in talking to this pyscho are either some kind of warped desire to strike a "Jesus Christ pose" (trying to show that you have more compassion and christ-like qualities of forgiveness that the rest of us barbarians), or that you secretly admire rapists and murderers and their grisly deeds. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, take your quest to improve your self-esteem off of Texas death row and see a mental health professional. Stop trying to look for approval from rapists and murderers, and in so doing slap the faces of the families of these young girls.
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Post by snowy111 on Nov 8, 2004 15:29:10 GMT -6
Snowy, i did not excuse him for a moment! there is not justification for what they commicted and surely i'dl like not to see him or villareal or perez walking in the streets... i did not aks you to understand....because i can't do it neither... but i think triing to understand is the only way we have to prevent things like this....to give the oppotunity to all our children to grow up safe... i think that the feeling inside a gang are different from everything else a man can feels...this is why i believe we should ask ourself what we can do to stop their existance... Well if they get reduced to life they will walk the streets. People do things like this because they like to feel powerful. Punish people consistently and that will end all this type of stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2004 9:58:00 GMT -6
snoowy...it seems to me that you are punishing them consistently...but...it don't seems to be that this sto guys creates gangs...am i right? so...maybe...is it not the right answer to resolve it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2004 9:59:47 GMT -6
Snoowy...it seems to me that you are punishing them consistently...you are killing them! but it don't seem to me this stpped guys creating gangs...am i right...? so...maybe...it is not the right answer...isn't it?
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