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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 30, 2009 19:28:26 GMT -6
In an execution by gassing in the USA, the POS is strapped to a chair and gas floods the entire chamber. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the executee wear a gas mask type apparatus that would be hooked-up to a poison delivery system, thus eliminating the need and risk of filling the whole chamber with potassium cyanide? They could still use the airtight chamber for protection, but it seems that delivering the gas through a gas mask would be safer and would result in a cleaner and quicker kill. Any thoughts?
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 30, 2009 19:30:18 GMT -6
They often talk about that through Nitrogen Asphyxiation, in which you breathe in nitrogen instead and you end up killing the POS a lot faster and it is a lot more safer and easier to use. Michael Portillo and Modern Marvels talked about it, back in 1995, it was talked about, but to date, it hasn't been used. but it wouldn't be painful either.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 30, 2009 19:35:43 GMT -6
They often talk about that through Nitrogen Asphyxiation, in which you breathe in nitrogen instead and you end up killing the POS a lot faster and it is a lot more safer and easier to use. Michael Portillo and Modern Marvels talked about it, back in 1995, it was talked about, but to date, it hasn't been used. but it wouldn't be painful either. Indeed. However, I would prefer potassium cyanide for a variety of reasons.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 30, 2009 19:36:55 GMT -6
Like it burns even if you breathe it in?
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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 30, 2009 19:41:59 GMT -6
Like it burns even if you breathe it in? Yeah, sort of. The burning would be nice, but mainly I would want the patient to experience at least a brief sensation of suffocation. One reason that the gas chamber is my favorite method in the USA is because it allows the executee to remain conscious for just a little bit during the process, thus giving the prisoner a few additional moments to contemplate the wrongness of his crimes.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 30, 2009 19:51:05 GMT -6
Supposedly, if you breathe it in, you die a LOT faster.
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Post by Californian on Apr 30, 2009 21:17:15 GMT -6
Supposedly, if you breathe it in, you die a LOT faster. Asphyxiation is asphyxiation, regardless of which agent is used to exclude oxygen from the brain and heart. No gas is faster than another because, deprived of oxygen, your brain cells and heart muscle die at the same rate.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 30, 2009 21:24:54 GMT -6
Supposedly, if you breathe it in, you die a LOT faster. Asphyxiation is asphyxiation, regardless of which agent is used to exclude oxygen from the brain and heart. No gas is faster than another because, deprived of oxygen, your brain cells and heart muscle die at the same rate. Would unconsciousness occur more quickly if the executee takes deep breaths? I know that the inmate is instructed by the staff to inhale deeply to minimize suffering.
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Post by Californian on Apr 30, 2009 21:59:54 GMT -6
Would unconsciousness occur more quickly if the executee takes deep breaths? I would guess not. HCN gas works by altering the chemistry of red blood cells so they cannot transport oxygen. Nitrogen is an inert gas that excludes oxygen. I don't see much difference. Would work for either agent, if in fact it's the truth and not legend.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 30, 2009 22:16:08 GMT -6
Would unconsciousness occur more quickly if the executee takes deep breaths? I would guess not. HCN gas works by altering the chemistry of red blood cells so they cannot transport oxygen. Nitrogen is an inert gas that excludes oxygen. I don't see much difference. Would work for either agent, if in fact it's the truth and not legend. Interesting. I have read in many sources (like Wiki so I am not saying they are credible sources) that the inmate is instructed to take deep breaths so he passes out quicker. Also, is it true that Judge in CA (not sure if state or fed but I think state) had a gassing videotaped to help her determine if the method was cruel?
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Post by Californian on Apr 30, 2009 22:20:43 GMT -6
Also, is it true that Judge in CA (not sure if state or fed but I think state) had a gassing videotaped to help her determine if the method was cruel? Yes, Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ordered the taping of the execution by lethal gas at San Quentin of Robert Alton Harris.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 30, 2009 22:28:34 GMT -6
Also, is it true that Judge in CA (not sure if state or fed but I think state) had a gassing videotaped to help her determine if the method was cruel? Yes, Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ordered the taping of the execution by lethal gas at San Quentin of Robert Alton Harris. I wonder if a copy still exists in a vault somewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 22:52:21 GMT -6
Yes, Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ordered the taping of the execution by lethal gas at San Quentin of Robert Alton Harris. I wonder if a copy still exists in a vault somewhere? i hope it ends up on youtube,hell yeah, Is there any such video of a gassing mock or movie trailers that simulates real events anywhere you know of..?
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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 30, 2009 23:08:01 GMT -6
I wonder if a copy still exists in a vault somewhere? i hope it ends up on youtube,hell yeah, Is there any such video of a gassing mock or movie trailers that simulates real events anywhere you know of..? Right here bro (fake, but cool):
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Post by DeadElvis on May 1, 2009 0:06:59 GMT -6
There was a hollywood gassing in "The Client." Gene Hackman did the honors.
[edit to add] maybe it was "The Chamber," I forget.
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Post by Rev. Agave on May 1, 2009 0:33:24 GMT -6
There was a hollywood gassing in "The Client." Gene Hackman did the honors. [edit to add] maybe it was "The Chamber," I forget. It was the Chamber. I have been trying to find that execution scene for awhile on youtube.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on May 1, 2009 1:10:44 GMT -6
Ive got that dvd lying around here somewhere. I'll get it on youtube.
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Post by ichy on May 1, 2009 15:13:26 GMT -6
Also, is it true that Judge in CA (not sure if state or fed but I think state) had a gassing videotaped to help her determine if the method was cruel? Yes, Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ordered the taping of the execution by lethal gas at San Quentin of Robert Alton Harris. In addition to that case, John Thanos in MD agreed to have his execution in the gas chamber videotaped for use in the appeal of another death row inmate who claimed that it was cruel & unusual. That resulted in the legislature quickly making the switch to lethal injection before Thanos's execution, so sadly no videotape was ever made.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2009 18:15:04 GMT -6
i hope it ends up on youtube,hell yeah, Is there any such video of a gassing mock or movie trailers that simulates real events anywhere you know of..? Right here bro (fake, but cool): Wow,can you imagine what is going through someone,s mind on them last minutes of walking to a gas chamber,these inmates have nothing on the condemned facing LI,they know they are going to struggle at some point not like LI,heck they might even get a bit of a high from the anesthetic.thanks for that eric..
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on May 1, 2009 19:50:03 GMT -6
With Potassium Cyanide, you feel like you are suffocating and if you ever watched the Michael Portillo clip, you would see that it is IMPOSSIBLE to breathe it in willingly.
Nitrogen doesn't make you feel like you are suffocating.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2009 21:18:31 GMT -6
Supposedly, if you breathe it in, you die a LOT faster. Asphyxiation is asphyxiation, regardless of which agent is used to exclude oxygen from the brain and heart. No gas is faster than another because, deprived of oxygen, your brain cells and heart muscle die at the same rate. I disagree. It takes awhile to die from hypoxia, the length of time somewhat dependent on such factors as your health, whether or not you are a smoker, the partial pressure of oxygen at your location, whether or not your hypoxia problem began with a rapid decompression, etc. However, it doesn't take as long to die when, instead of hypoxia, you are suffering from cell respiration shutting down on a massive scale, which is what breathing hydrogen cyanide causes. Different problems.
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Post by Californian on May 1, 2009 21:25:07 GMT -6
With Potassium Cyanide, you feel like you are suffocating and if you ever watched the Michael Portillo clip, you would see that it is IMPOSSIBLE to breathe it in willingly. Nitrogen doesn't make you feel like you are suffocating. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by Californian on May 1, 2009 21:37:36 GMT -6
I disagree. It takes awhile to die from hypoxia, the length of time somewhat dependent on such factors as your health, whether or not you are a smoker, the partial pressure of oxygen at your location, whether or not your hypoxia problem began with a rapid decompression, etc. However, it doesn't take as long to die when, instead of hypoxia, you are suffering from cell respiration shutting down on a massive scale, which is what breathing hydrogen cyanide causes. Different problems. Yes, it takes a while, but in a healthy person, the brain and myocardium is dead from anoxia in about five minutes. Debilitating health conditions such as you describe make death quicker. And we're talking about the same prisoner. And in HCN asphyxiation, cell respiration shuts down because there's no oxygen being transported by the red blood cells reaching those cells. That's what HCN does-instantly causes the RBCs to be unable to transport. I'm assuming that we're talking about using nitrogen asphyxia at normal air pressure, just as we do with HCN gas. With HCN gas, there has to be a slight negative pressure in the chamber to ensure that the gas doesn't leak through the gaskets, and thus gas the staff and witnesses, because HCN gas is lethal in very small concentrations. I think the bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether the garrotte is physical or chemical. No 02, no life. Quickly.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on May 2, 2009 8:43:08 GMT -6
Cool video mate
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 12:19:51 GMT -6
In an execution by gassing in the USA, the POS is strapped to a chair and gas floods the entire chamber. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the executee wear a gas mask type apparatus that would be hooked-up to a poison delivery system, thus eliminating the need and risk of filling the whole chamber with potassium cyanide? They could still use the airtight chamber for protection, but it seems that delivering the gas through a gas mask would be safer and would result in a cleaner and quicker kill. Any thoughts? Agaveman, even if the executee wore a gas mask, the chamber would be contamined. There were cases where people were intoxinated by the hydrogen cyanide coming out of the corpses of people who committed suicide with potassium cyanide. By the way, killing with cyanide is neither safe nor clean. The stuff is dangerous for those who handle it, those who witness the execution, and also those who have to dispose the corpse. And Agaveman, there is no risk of filling the whole chamber with potassium cyanide. KCN is a solid. When you put it in dilluted sulfuric acid, it reacts and forms HCN gas.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on May 2, 2009 18:58:25 GMT -6
With Potassium Cyanide, you feel like you are suffocating and if you ever watched the Michael Portillo clip, you would see that it is IMPOSSIBLE to breathe it in willingly. Nitrogen doesn't make you feel like you are suffocating. You don't know what you're talking about. Apparently I do, since SEVERAL sites say that Nitrogen is a painless gas and a painless way to die.
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Post by Jules on May 9, 2009 15:53:42 GMT -6
Nitrogen and several other gases are painless. Carbon Monoxide is quite a pleasant way to go apparently, similar sensation to being drunk. My point though is why isnt the DP enough for some people? To inflict suffering on a person is sick irrespective of the ultimate purpose, especially in the name of justice.
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on May 9, 2009 18:34:40 GMT -6
Asphyxiation is asphyxiation, regardless of which agent is used to exclude oxygen from the brain and heart. No gas is faster than another because, deprived of oxygen, your brain cells and heart muscle die at the same rate. Would unconsciousness occur more quickly if the executee takes deep breaths? I know that the inmate is instructed by the staff to inhale deeply to minimize suffering. If the hydrogen cyanide gas is inhaled deeply, the POS passes out in 5-10 seconds after some couching. It is a very swift means of execution, but when the scumbags hold their breath, then they, (supposedly), suffer. Wanna see them really suffer? Try MUSTARD GAS!!
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on May 10, 2009 14:12:59 GMT -6
Well, the way they proposed how to do it is by tying a mask that pumps the Noitrogen into the POS's face.
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